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The Game Changed in Venezuela Last Night and the Media Is Asleep At the Switch

131 pointsby swohnsabout 11 years ago

10 comments

firstOrderabout 11 years ago
&gt; scan the press and find...Nothing.<p>Ah the old, &quot;there&#x27;s a conspiracy to suppress what my side thinks in the news&quot;.<p>Ten months ago, Maduro was elected president by the majority of the country.<p>Some of the opposition tried to create this spectacle ten months in. The whole point of staging a big spectacle blocking highways etc., with some rioting, is to get world headlines. This has been happening in Venezuela for over 16 years. If the country was really anti-Maduro, it wouldn&#x27;t have voted for him ten months ago.<p>Also, it&#x27;s not even like the opposition is united at all. It&#x27;s completely factionalized, which is probably why it is out of power. It also reeks of that lazy, upper class, kind of slow and dumb Castillian Spanish aristocratic sense you sometimes find in Latin America. Like that man in the documentary &quot;The Revolution will not be televised&quot; who said &quot;Watch your servants! They may be Chavistas!&quot; Watch your servants, they may be Chavistas might as well be the slogan of the opposition. It&#x27;s not something with much popular appeal, either in Venezuela, or even out.
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hornytoadabout 11 years ago
&quot;International Media Is Asleep At the Switch&quot;, only this guy somehow manages to see the truth. Yeah, right.<p>Interesting so many people on hn seem to be jumping on this.<p>So I went back to his oldest blog entries to see what his general stance is and if his judgements merit consideration or are slanted, which can be better be judged with years of hindsight, judge for yourself:<p>&quot;To my mind Chávez’ hold on reality is so tenuous that he really does think that six million people poured onto the streets on April 13th to demand his return. And with a narcissist leader who’s that cut-off from reality, political miscalculation is the order of the day.&quot;<p>He was hugely popular then, and stayed that way until his death, if polls, which actually have received praise from international observers, are an indication. Chavez not only had the absolute majority behind him, they actually supported him.<p>Just compare Venezuela&#x27;s voter turnout with that in your own country. Wikipedia says about Venezuela&#x27;s 2012 election:<p>&quot;The elections showed a historically high turnout, above 80% of the electorate, in a country where voting is not mandatory&quot;
ChuckMcMabout 11 years ago
The challenges here are threefold:<p>1) Trying to get reliable information out of a country.<p>2) Trying to figure out if it will drive &quot;page views&quot; or &quot;viewership&quot; or anything that pays the bills at the &quot;media&quot; center.<p>3) Creating a credible narrative around &#x27;justice&#x27; in the face of massive injustice.<p>That is why &quot;global warming, you may die tomorrow&quot; is a more important story than &quot;far away government is repressing its own civilians.&quot;<p>FWIW: The Economist has covered Venezuela (<a href="http://www.economist.com/search/gcs?ss=venezuela#masthead&amp;gsc.tab=0&amp;gsc.q=venezuela&amp;gsc.page=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;search&#x2F;gcs?ss=venezuela#masthead&amp;gs...</a>) but even it doesn&#x27;t provide breaking news coverage.
rblatzabout 11 years ago
&quot;Let me put this clearly. Y’all need to step it up. The time to discard what you thought you knew about the way things work in Venezuela is now.&quot;<p>Done. But I didn&#x27;t really know how things worked there before either.
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hudibrasabout 11 years ago
The AP has a story out now:<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2014/02/20/world/americas/ap-lt-venezuela-protests.html?ref=americas" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;aponline&#x2F;2014&#x2F;02&#x2F;20&#x2F;world&#x2F;americas&#x2F;ap...</a><p>EDIT: I googled to find the AP story, but I just now stumbled onto another article during my normal aimless coffee-break web surfing. So I think the story is picking up steam.<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2014/02/nicolas_maduro_s_venezuela_erupts_in_violence_the_venezuelan_president_appears.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.slate.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;news_and_politics&#x2F;foreigners&#x2F;2...</a>
unclebucknastyabout 11 years ago
Just had an interesting thought when reading this article.<p>What if tomorrow, something similar happened in the U.S.? That is, what if government &quot;forces&quot; swept into a major city or cities and began arresting people on suspicion of terrorism, then sweeping them off to unknown locations? Simultaneously, what if drone strikes were called in on other &quot;suspects&quot;?<p>What in our current laws (or interpretation thereof) would prevent this or protect those who were targeted? The question may sound rhetorical or like hyperbole, but I mean this seriously: is a FISA court the only thing standing between us and such a potential reality?
ChuckFrankabout 11 years ago
Increasingly, I predict that we&#x27;ll see more and more of these unreported incidents worldwide, especially as corporate media becomes more and more consolidated. Thankfully there are alternative news outlets that are available if you dig. Accurate or not.<p><a href="http://www.alternet.org/world/washington-tries-regime-change-venezuela" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.alternet.org&#x2F;world&#x2F;washington-tries-regime-change...</a><p>The lesson that this reinforces is that we can not rely on the media for the news. If ever we could.
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fiatjafabout 11 years ago
The good question for me is:<p>what would YOU do if this was happening in your city? What choices does the unorganized and disarmed people have against a massive State with an army and policemen?
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amjaegerabout 11 years ago
What are the press companies outside of the USA saying? Are they just as disinterested?
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SocratesVabout 11 years ago
<a href="http://lab.org.uk/venezuela-–-student-protests" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;lab.org.uk&#x2F;venezuela-–-student-protests</a><p><a href="http://lab.org.uk/venezuela-violent-demonstrations-and-the-media" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;lab.org.uk&#x2F;venezuela-violent-demonstrations-and-the-m...</a><p>Not claiming these are unbiased sources, because they aren&#x27;t (especially the second link). But even so, they can provide a good balance regarding what most western media (NY Times, CNN, Guardian, etc) reports (and omits from those reports).<p>Some more and again, don&#x27;t claim they are unbiased, but it&#x27;s good to balance the coverage and these say a lot that isn&#x27;t said in other places):<p>&quot;What’s going on in Venezuela?&quot; -- <a href="http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/10381" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;venezuelanalysis.com&#x2F;analysis&#x2F;10381</a><p>&quot;Venezuelan Government Reiterates Calls For Dialogue With Opposition&quot; - <a href="http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10379" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;venezuelanalysis.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;10379</a><p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/1xt9pf/venezuela_rightwing_provokes_violence_in_timeworn/cfeevit" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;socialism&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1xt9pf&#x2F;venezuela_...</a><p>And regarding the general situation (not current events necessarily:<p>&quot;Despite Shortages, Venezuelans Are Eating Better Statistics Say&quot; - <a href="http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7632" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;venezuelanalysis.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;7632</a><p>&quot;The Pros and Cons of Venezuela&#x27;s Currency Controls&quot; - <a href="http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/10317" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;venezuelanalysis.com&#x2F;analysis&#x2F;10317</a><p>&quot;Could smuggling be to blame for Venezuela&#x27;s food shortages?&quot; - <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23885377" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-latin-america-23885377</a> (small examples: <a href="http://pastebin.com/BFHKHdCG" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pastebin.com&#x2F;BFHKHdCG</a> )<p>Regarding crime, read about the Policia Nacional Bolivariana, who controls the local polices, who is the Governor of the State of Miranda and which force controls most boroughs (Municipios) in Caracas and that in general, they refuse the that the Policia Nacional Bolivariana to act and prefer instead to keep their mostly corrupt police force (understand that they see it as another way for the Government to have more control, but the truth is the PNB reduces crime, you can read more here, but also other places - <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/Latin-America-Monitor/2013/0215/How-does-Venezuela-s-police-reform-measure-up" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.csmonitor.com&#x2F;World&#x2F;Americas&#x2F;Latin-America-Monito...</a>)<p>Also, note that before Chavez, most foreign oil companies were paying 1-17% royalties, after 20-30% (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_policy_of_Venezuela#Development_of_energy_policies" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Energy_policy_of_Venezuela#Deve...</a>) and that most of the oil profits go into housing, social, education, security and infrastructure (power plants - fixed and movable -, roads, ports, railways).<p>Just another thing, believe that according to Article 72 of the Venezuelan Constitution, after the middle of the Presidential mandate, if 20% of the voters sign a petition, recall elections are scheduled. This has happened in 2004.<p>Not claiming there aren&#x27;t any problems, there certainly are. Not claiming I&#x27;m a fan of the style the Government adopt, I&#x27;m not. However we&#x27;ve all seen in the past what happens to democratically elected Governments when they don&#x27;t play ball with US companies, and Latin America knows this more than anyone (but also Iran back in the first independence days, before the Shah...).<p>My thoughts to the innocents that are caught in the crossfire and have their peaceful demonstrations hijacked by extremists. Hopefully Venezuela can overcome all current issues, become a better country and not go back to the almost oligarchic past of poverty (which none of the wealthy opposition ever tried to change) but not become a dictatorship. In summary, a place where people of all political quadrants can live and let others live.