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Ask HN: Are there no irrational/incorrect valuations? [Re: WhatsApp and others]

5 pointsby sendosabout 11 years ago
Whenever a big acquisition is made, e.g. Instagram for $1B or WhatsApp for $19B, there are lots of posts here on HN about &quot;why is it worth so much? this is insane! we are in a bubble&quot;<p>And those posts are invariably met with responses that mostly agree with the valuation, and make several rational-seeming arguments why the valuation makes sense.<p>It seems there is no valuation for which one cannot come up with rational arguments supporting that valuation as the correct one (at least correct for the company making the acquisition).<p>So, I have a question for people who defend these valuations: Are there no incorrect&#x2F;irrational valuations?<p>Off the top of my head, some reasons for valuations that can turn out to be wrong are:<p>1) The due-diligence on the acquired company was not thorough enough, or missed an important point<p>2) Expectations&#x2F;predictions of where the market will be in a few years are wrong<p>3) Collusion between investors&#x2F;stakeholders at the acquired and acquiring company, which increases the value of the acquisition so that investors in the acquired company get handsomely rewarded [how often does this happen?]<p>I would assume there are several more possible reasons for a bad valuation, but what I read on HN and related news sources are back-and-forths between people who are flabbergasted by the high price and people who claim that it is a perfectly good price.<p>Are there more nuanced positions between the above two? If yes, what are they, and why don&#x27;t we see them more often on HN?

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alok-gabout 11 years ago
Another one is just outbidding the competition, but that probably falls within #2 (via estimation what the acquisition of the company by the competition would do to your company in the long run).
notastartupabout 11 years ago
I honestly think that we are in a bubble right now. Somebody today posted a 1998 AOL article highlighting the purchase of a chat company and the languages are very similar to what we read today about these type of mega buyouts. Having said that, I think that the financial forecast of Facebook is questionable at this point, if they need to keep buying billion dollar price tag items without making money from it&#x27;s core product, it&#x27;s a no brainer math that at somepoint in the future they will lose investors confidence and ultimately disappear. I have similar views regarding Twitter.<p>If Google bought this I wouldn&#x27;t be worried but it seems that Facebook is more concerned about portraying the image that they are powerful and too big to fail without making enough revenue like their rivals.<p>Google and Microsoft have enough cash to fail many many more times than Facebook has relatively fewer chances to fail.