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The WhatsApp Architecture Facebook Bought For $19 Billion

276 pointsby bussettaabout 11 years ago

23 comments

codegeekabout 11 years ago
I know this whole &quot;$19B for whatsapp&quot; topic is getting old already but I really think they solved some <i>core</i> problems that users had. Technically, those were probably not as challenging but functionally, this is what won me over :<p>- No registration required. Yes and Yes. do you hear Skype ? All you need is your phone number. And let&#x27;s not get started on the privacy thing because the benefits outweigh the cost. See more below<p>- Easy to invite others. Just sends a simple SMS&#x2F;text and wala, you are in.<p>- In countries like the US, SMS&#x2F;Texting is very expensive (yes, i know...). Specifically, if you want to talk to someone international. Whatsapp solved this problem with ease. There were others (viber etc) but they just don&#x27;t have the easy interface at least in my experience. Sure, the caveat is that everyone needs to have wifi&#x2F;data plans but those are getting much more easier than convincing your phone company to stop charging bullshit rates for a simple text.<p>- Lets you create Groups. This sounds simple but imagine wanting to talk to your <i>core</i> family members in 1 text ? Whatsapp lets you do that with no pain.<p>- Share pictures&#x2F;multimedia within groups. Again, very simple to use and comes included. I don&#x27;t want to even explain what these cell phone companies charge for something they lable as MMS (not text).<p>Overall, when I came across Whatsapp, I was like &quot;Finally, someone gets it and this should have been so duhhh but apparently, it wasn&#x27;t&quot;. Very happy for the entire whatsapp team.
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lostcolonyabout 11 years ago
&quot;Erlang rocks! Erlang continues to prove its capability as a versatile, reliable, high-performance platform. Though personally all the tuning and patching that was required casts some doubt on this claim.&quot;<p>Really? Because I would trust their claims all the more; they&#x27;ve been in the trenches, they had expertise in other languages (from the article, &quot;Having built a high performance messaging bus in C++ while at Yahoo, Rick Reed is not new to the world of high scalability architectures.&quot;), and then they became -intimate- with the language, in removing bottlenecks to their specific use case...and they still make the claim Erlang is great in this domain. Whose opinion are you going to credit more than theirs?<p>(Also, I bet many of the patches they made that weren&#x27;t specific to their use cases were submitted as patches to the BEAM)
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AlexanderDhooreabout 11 years ago
The whole error handling philosophy of Erlang is extremely fascinating. The fact that it was born out of the telecommunication world makes it extremely fit for this kind of job. I&#x27;ve been reading &quot;Programming Erlang&quot; on and off for a few weeks now, and it&#x27;s... eye opening. Erlang proves functional programming is for the real, real world. There isn&#x27;t a language that&#x27;s more down to earth, ready to &quot;Get Shit Done&quot; than Erlang.<p>Edit: When you learn Erlang you&#x27;ll notice every design decision was made for performance or reliability (vs making the language &quot;nice&quot;, think Ruby). I appreciate that.
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_nato_about 11 years ago
Something drôle I caught on Joe Armstrong&#x27;s twitter feed: ``A machine learning researcher, a crypto-currency expert, and an Erlang programmer walk into a bar. Facebook buys the bar for $27 billion.&#x27;&#x27;
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MichaelGGabout 11 years ago
But aren&#x27;t most of those messages point-to-point? Not that I&#x27;m trivializing 70M&#x2F;sec! But for the most part, it&#x27;s pretty straightforward right? No multi-client support (so no desktop client that requires server sync). Most messages(?) are to one recipient only, right? So send the message, send an ACK, deliver message, deliver read ACK? It seems like the perfect thing for a scale-out architecture. Even group chat can probably just be split into multiple messages, one per recipient.<p>Not that it&#x27;s not a lot of work, but isn&#x27;t most of it just hard work engineering? Add hardware, deal with bottlenecks. Versus having to come up with some novel new datastructures and inter-server communications?<p>SMTP sends a ton of messages, too. I don&#x27;t see why an IM system couldn&#x27;t take essentially the same concept, where one small cluster of services is responsible for the mailboxes for certain individuals.
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sjtgrahamabout 11 years ago
&gt; &quot;Ejabberd is a famous open source Jabber server written in Erlang… The next few years were spent re-writing and modifying quite a few parts of ejabberd, including switching from XMPP&quot;<p>Anyone looked at what WhatsApp sends over the wire these days? I wonder what it is? A binary protocol?
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snake_plisskenabout 11 years ago
It&#x27;s so awesome to see FreeBSD as the OS. Hard to learn in my opinion but worth it since it&#x27;s so reliable.
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tlackabout 11 years ago
Does anyone know what service WhatsApp used for SMS delivery for phone number verification? I wish I could get text messages into all parts of the world like they do.
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andyjohnson0about 11 years ago
<i>&quot;And using your cell number as identity and your contacts list as a social graph is diabolically simple.&quot;</i><p>Tthe linkage of phone number and identity seems to be the main reason why there are no tablet versions of the whatsapp client. I wonder how satisfied whatsapp&#x2F;facebook are with this constraint, and whether they intent to address it? It is possible to imagine workarounds for devices that don&#x27;t have a phone number, but they don&#x27;t seem as friction-free as the current identity system.
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ForHackernewsabout 11 years ago
I wonder how Facebook will deal with integrating Erlang into their (afaik) PHP-based systems?
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austinzabout 11 years ago
I read like 8 paragraphs of blather before I got to the first bit of useful technical information, a confirmation that they were using Erlang.
nikenticabout 11 years ago
&quot;Desktop is dead and web is dying&quot; is very pessimistic.
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rehackabout 11 years ago
Man, I burn with envy when read such stories of monumental technical achievements. For some reason have always been fascinated by scalability. But so far life has given me the opportunity in a very limited way.<p>Have been reasonably proud of scaling my own micro (in comparison) service. But right now feel very small and humbled.<p>edit: minor
angelohuangabout 11 years ago
This article also mentions about whatsapp in business usages. Interestingly, all those points resonate with a messenger project that we are working on. <a href="http://peer.im" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;peer.im</a>
grogenautabout 11 years ago
First 1&#x2F;3 of the article is talking about background or $16B?!?... Much of the rest is a list of hardware. Be prepared to skim a ton to find the actual subject of the article.
tuf14575about 11 years ago
As Facebook transitions into the next decade, they must focus heavily on mobile. I see a lot of people mainly using Facebook for its messenger app, so it&#x27;s very smart of Facebook to buy a competing messaging service that is gaining huge traction in the international market. If WhatsApp were to expand into the States, Facebook could be in trouble. Very smart investment by Zuckerberg but I can see why people are shocked it was dealt for such a huge amount.
izarovabout 11 years ago
The performance levels they have achieved are impressive.<p>I think hot swapping code is a major factor in being able to quickly fix and develop a system like this.<p>I wonder how far one can go on another tech stack.<p>For example Akka is supposed to be able to handle up to 50m messages on a single box and there is some support for hot swapping in the Oracle and IBM runtime.
plainOldTextabout 11 years ago
Does anyone know whether their changes to the BEAM ever made into the official Erlang BEAM?
dpwebabout 11 years ago
Interesting enough to check into Erlang. Even though most of us won&#x27;t approach the load Whatsapp has to handle, it is very useful to understand how to pack more work into smaller hw footprints for any size business.
jamespoabout 11 years ago
I think they owe the developers of ejabberd a few drinks
retubeabout 11 years ago
WhatsApp = Email 2.0?
gwu78about 11 years ago
No Linux? Am I dreaming?
beachstartupabout 11 years ago
does anyone know where they were hosted? did they colo or use a msp?
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