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E-mail didn't really evolve since Gmail. Why is it so hard to innovate?

30 pointsby chezmoabout 11 years ago

16 comments

onliabout 11 years ago
I don&#x27;t think the premise is right. From the beginning to now, Gmail evolved quite a bit. For one, they used their analytical knowledge to prioritize emails, which I found to be very helpful. Two, they started filtering newsletters and advertisements automatically. Third, the UI got revamped quite a bit. Add to that all the basics Gmail does right (spamfiltering, tag+-syntax, …), and you see why it is hard to compete.<p>That said, I don&#x27;t use gmail anymore because I don&#x27;t want my emails to be directly in the hands of the NSA.<p>But let&#x27;s focus on their list for a bit. Because innovating a sector is not a goal. Having a goal and therefore innovating, that is a goal. So, does the list they formulated hold up? I don&#x27;t think so:<p><i>better interfaces</i>: Better than gmail? Good luck. Besides, even old-style programs like claws-mail, sylpheed and thunderbird have really good interfaces, for their purpose.<p><i>better email management</i>: Gmail does that. And one has to be really careful with that: It is not something every user need, sure not something every user wants, especially if it even once sorts something the wrong way.<p><i>better workflow integration</i>: Emails are not tasks. They don&#x27;t need task management in general. Emails are a communication medium, and sometimes, they contain or become tasks. but that is not a general requirement for users.<p><i>better attachment handling</i>: What does that mean besides searching for attachments, maybe including their title, and browsing through the photos? Like attachments.me tried to do. But all of that is not innovation…<p><i>better social integration</i>: The action one might want to do, like tweetbacks, should be linked in the email. Isn&#x27;t that already the case? Blogs do that (ok, serendipity does, don&#x27;t know about the others).<p><i>better prioritisation and analytic</i>: To general. Besides, Gmail tries that already.<p>So, hmpf. Though I want to add that their general product idea (shared inboxes for taskmanagement) doesn&#x27;t look bad, for a very specific usecase.
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kijinabout 11 years ago
The #1 difficulty with email startups is that they have to invent a market that doesn&#x27;t exist and doesn&#x27;t want to exist.<p>Few people even know that they can access Gmail anywhere other than at mail.google.com or via the Gmail app. Ditto for hotmail&#x2F;outlook.com and pretty much every other freemail service out there. And of course ad-supported freemail providers have no incentive to let their users access email with a third-party app.<p>The distinction between an email service and an email app is so murky in the minds of most people, that Mozilla added a dialog box to Thunderbird where they offer to create a new email account for the user. Seriously, a lot of people were wondering why Thunderbird didn&#x27;t come with its own email address! Instead of trying to dispel this myth, Mozilla just let people keep believing it.
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aleemabout 11 years ago
Here is an idea for something that has been in my head for some time.<p>All that would be required to jumpstart the innovation process is a developer-friendly API and standardised events for extending email:<p><pre><code> onReceive(headers, body); onOpen(...); onTagged(...); ... </code></pre> That would allow developers to do creative things with email. It may even give way to niceties such as:<p><pre><code> npm install email-itinerary-parser </code></pre> These events could be standardised across the board. A plugin ecosystem would allow emails to operate much like blogging platforms do today. You could have a self-hosted email platform with a plugin dashboard where you would pick and choose your plugins. The UI would be the hard part but is a tractable problem given the state of client-side MVC libraries that didn&#x27;t exist until a few years ago.<p>A service like Akismet would provide SPAM filtering and other services could be built around it. The trust factor would be an issue but it might be even possible to send these services only extrapolated data instead of the entire contents of the email.<p>It would even be possible to build atypical interfaces around your email. You could for example build a blogs UI that shows all emails sent to myname+blogs@mydomain.com. The blogs Controller could automatically reply to that email with the published status.<p>In general, things could move in a progressive direction much faster in the hands of the developer community.
hobbesabout 11 years ago
Email didn&#x27;t evolve with Gmail. Only the UI evolved.<p>It could be suggested that Wave was a revolution rather than an evolution, and that was its greatest weakness. I&#x27;m sad that it&#x27;s gone.
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chalgoabout 11 years ago
Yet another case of a blog where I click the logo at the top and I don&#x27;t get taken to the product, I get taken to the blog index. Infuriating!
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qwertaabout 11 years ago
Interactive email Web UI is around since 1997 when Microsoft introduced Outlook Web Access. GMail is not really that special.<p>I think largest email innovation is right now happening at KDE with integration of KMail into rest of the desktop.
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saurikabout 11 years ago
<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7313277" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7313277</a>
enscrabout 11 years ago
This thread is one discussion where I hardly see any coherence or modality in opinions (not that it&#x27;s bad). To me, this indicates that email innovation has a lot of latent potential. For example, email could have evolved to encompass messaging as a first class citizen rather than an add-on widget.
Delmaniaabout 11 years ago
I see this as similar to Blueray, a solution searching for a problem. The vast majority of people don&#x27;t have a significant problem with the current implementation of email, and those that do develop workflows. It&#x27;s like a toaster, it works fine as it.
glassappsabout 11 years ago
The next step in the evolution should be end to end encryption that is (yet) impossible to crack
jsTeaabout 11 years ago
Email in its existence is a medium of communication and there can be innovation in the the modes of communication but the service in its own concept is difficult to be changed. Its same as saying to innovate on letter writing.
paraxabout 11 years ago
The innovation was Google Wave. And it was pretty much ignored.
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Aoyagiabout 11 years ago
Since Gmail? What new did Gmail bring to email users exactly?
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drcongoabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;ve been testing Front and it&#x27;s very promising.
pglabout 11 years ago
Why do we always <i>need</i> to innovate?
PsychoBillyabout 11 years ago
&quot; Why is it so hard to innovate? &quot; Hmmm ... because mail just works since 20+ years And most of us just need grep command you IOS fanboy
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