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Thoughts on YC's Female Founders Conference

91 pointsby mbellottiabout 11 years ago

21 comments

gmaysabout 11 years ago
I posted my thoughts on the conference in another related thread here: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7334744" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7334744</a><p>But since it&#x27;s relevant, I&#x27;ll post them again here. TL;DR: I thought the conference was awesome and look forward to watching it streamed again next year. Here&#x27;s my original comment:<p>This was a great conference. I didn&#x27;t attend (I&#x27;m male), but I watched the livestream and learned a lot from the speakers.<p>I especially liked the conference because I learned about the female perspective. My wife isn&#x27;t a startup founder, but has a similarly stressful job (flies F&#x2F;A-18&#x27;s in stressful, life-threatening situations), with similar hours (14hrs&#x2F;day and often weekends), in a similar environment (male-dominated Marine Corps). I often wonder how she&#x27;ll manage her work when we have kids...everything from pregnancy to making time for the kids when she&#x27;s busy. It&#x27;s easier for me since I work at home now, but she&#x27;ll deal with the same challenges that some of the founders mentioned. And knowing her, she&#x27;ll feel incredibly guilty for not being around.<p>Anyway, I enjoyed the conference, learned a lot, and look forward to it next year.
thatthatisabout 11 years ago
It occurred to me recently that if the goal is to eventually get to gender equality, female focused tech groups should set the proportion of their tickets available at x% female, y% male where x and y are the inverse of their proportions at some equivalent male dominated group. Over time, this policy should pull men and women together instead of apart.<p>What good is it if women only know other women and men only know other men?
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zaidfabout 11 years ago
<i>I don’t know why this comment struck me as odd … maybe it’s because the only people I know who identify themselves specifically as “nontechnical cofounders” are women.</i><p>This means that you seriously need to go meet more founders. There are probably as many non-tech founders who are men as tech founders. These founders(such as Alexis from reddit) have filled the role in a very similar manner as Jessica describes.
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pronabout 11 years ago
This kind of article shows why we need more women in tech. Many, many more. Critical and insightful but also respectful and modest.<p>One thing that was missing, though, was politics. Politics in the true sense of the word, namely, the power struggles in the tech society which give rise to the current status quo.<p>Also, she says, &quot;No one pretended tech was a meritocracy&quot;. The thing is, tech <i>is</i> a meritocracy, and that&#x27;s part of the politics of tech. Meritocracy, of course, is a joke. It is not a desirable state of affairs, because it should be obvious that &quot;merit&quot; is a false currency used to justify what <i>is</i>, rather than work toward what should be. It is the quintessential naturalistic fallacy.<p>It amazes me time and again how people can take the term seriously, which only demonstrates how dangerous it is. Such a blatant, perverted joke, a dystopia that some intelligent people mistake for a utopia. Wikipedia says this: &quot;Although the concept has existed for centuries, the term &quot;meritocracy&quot; was first coined in the 1950s. It was used by British politician and sociologist, Michael Young in his 1958 satirical essay, <i>The Rise of the Meritocracy</i>, which pictured the United Kingdom under the rule of a government favouring intelligence and aptitude (merit) above all else... In this book the term had distinctly negative connotations as Young questioned both the legitimacy of the selection process used to become a member of this elite and the outcomes of being ruled by such a narrowly defined group.&quot;<p>I still can&#x27;t fathom how meritocracy can be taken as anything but a negative. I mean, the first question that comes to mind (or, rather, the second after &quot;what is merit&quot;) is, &quot;who has merit and why, and who does not?&quot; Once this question is asked, it is immediately apparent that any attempt to paint &quot;meritocracy&quot; in a positive light is ludicrous.
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Udoabout 11 years ago
It&#x27;s expected that every word anybody said during that conference will be scrutinized beyond what&#x27;s appropriate, simply because it&#x27;s such a touchy subject. That&#x27;s probably the reason why the video of the conference was already taken offline today while I was watching it (edit: it&#x27;s not, see below). Generally I think it would be more productive if judgements weren&#x27;t done on a hair trigger, because that&#x27;s what makes this topic so toxic when in fact it shouldn&#x27;t be.<p>Personally I found the presentations very entertaining and insightful - and even though I didn&#x27;t have the opportunity to watch the panel to the end, I was struck by the impression that for the most part these were normal startup stories. That&#x27;s a good thing, because it means while there is work to do when it comes to making the playing field fairer to women founders, we&#x27;re at a state where the main issue is not &quot;how to cope with my gender&quot; but &quot;how do we get our startup off the ground&quot;.<p>The area where I believe much more work is required is how we get more woman programmers started. The article touches very slightly on that, but then misses the mark:<p><i>&gt; To get a male founder to admit he doesn’t write the code his startup depends on you have to twist his arm. With a female founder it’s the second sentence out of her mouth. As if to say “PS - don’t take me seriously”</i><p>A completely different way to read this is that people who code don&#x27;t have a lot of status in circles of non-programmers. So a non-technical founder might in fact expect to be taken <i>more</i> seriously by professing hacking ignorance.<p>One reason why non-technical women founders are quick to volunteer that info might be a subconscious reflection of that nerd stigma, and of course that&#x27;s probably a large reason why women don&#x27;t become programmers as often as men in the first place. It seems to me that perception of social status is the core issue.<p>To be fair though it was a founders&#x27; conference, not a female hackers conference.
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btrautscabout 11 years ago
&gt; <i>when you’re the nontechnical cofounder, your job is everything that’s nontechnical’ including grocery shopping and errand running. I don’t know why this comment struck me as odd</i><p>As a non-technical cofounder, this is the truth. I&#x27;m not sure what expectations at large are, but I can corroborate this story and believe it should be most &#x27;non-technical&#x27; cofounders expectation of reality.<p>Take out trash, buy office furniture, <i>go on sales calls</i>, arrange the company insurance plan, order dinner on late nights, line up investor meetings, talk to users... I could literally go on forever - those are off the top of my head from last week.<p>Technical cofounders (and employees) should be maximizing their impact by doing technical aspects - other founders should be selling, marketing, building the business, and sometimes have to order food, clean up the office, or go see the company lawyers&#x2F; accountants&#x2F; &amp; run errands.
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wiwilliaabout 11 years ago
I refer to myself as the non-technical co-founder all the time. I&#x27;m a male, and the CEO of our company. In my personal experience, I&#x27;ve never heard anyone equate &quot;non-technical co-founder&quot; to a term used only by female founders.<p>I also find that many of the entrepreneurs and founders I meet are incredibly humble (disarmingly so - the founders of Dropbox and Airbnb have zero ego). I don&#x27;t know if there&#x27;s any YC alumn who would say that Jessica is anything less than essential within YC.
chacham15about 11 years ago
I think that this article misses one main point about Jessica Livingston: that she is different from other women; she said so herself. Not all women have the same type of personality. That is not a bad thing. &quot;With a female founder it’s the second sentence out of her mouth. As if to say “PS - don’t take me seriously”&quot; This is the point in which the author goes too far. Jessica knows that everyone at YC values her word. How many times has pg said that he often looks to Jessica about funding a group? For someone with a different personality, that statement might be more accurate, but I highly doubt it is for Jessica Livingston. In conclusion, everyone is different. Men are different from other men and women are different from other women. Do not assume that a statement means something because of the gender of the person saying it without taking into account the personality of the person.
mountaineerabout 11 years ago
If you&#x27;re interested in following the results of this conference and&#x2F;or discovering more female founders, technical or not, I made a large Twitter list [1] to keep up to date.<p>[1] <a href="https://twitter.com/ryanwi/lists/female-founders" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;ryanwi&#x2F;lists&#x2F;female-founders</a>
projectileboyabout 11 years ago
Putting on the conference was a great idea and was well executed, and I think is an important contribution towards improving the odds for female founders. To Jessica and the rest of the YC crew, thanks from the community. Please don&#x27;t be discouraged by negative comments from the minority.
mnavadaabout 11 years ago
I attended the conference. Being &quot;non-technical&quot; doesn&#x27;t mean you&#x27;re doing less important or less challenging work. You&#x27;re part of a team, and you should be proud of it.<p>My husband and I have a startup. Yes, he is the technical side of the team. As the CEO, I mainly shape the vision for the product, strategize on how we grow, and am in charge of marketing. When we discuss our technical strategies, learning how to code is not enough. The vision for the company guides the technical decisions.<p>Just because I don&#x27;t sit and code our product also doesn&#x27;t mean that I&#x27;m clueless about the major tech decisions we make. For example, in choosing whether or not to build our products with PHP or Python, I had to learn the pros and cons of each language, and then we made the decisions together. BTW, Python it is :)<p>During the talk, there was a push to have more girls who code. And rightly so, since women are grossly underrepresented. But for now, I actually think that it&#x27;s great to have women who have the confidence to found companies without being technical. As Kathryn from The Muse explained, Alex, her co-founder learned how to code. Necessity is the mother of invention.<p>As for what I got out of the conference, in brief, I learned that the talks I loved were the ones where the founder was humble and matter-of-fact.
jpeg_heroabout 11 years ago
Filed under: no good deed goes unpunished.
jlehmanabout 11 years ago
<i>First thing that surprised me about the Female Founder’s Conference is that it was all women.</i><p>I find this whole line of reasoning a little off, given the stats mentioned in YC&#x27;s blog here: <a href="http://blog.ycombinator.com/highlights-from-ycs-first-female-founders-conference" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.ycombinator.com&#x2F;highlights-from-ycs-first-female...</a><p>The first paragraph mentions:<p><i>We’d originally planned to host the event at our office, which could fit about 150 attendees. 1,200 impressive applications later, we decided to move the event to the Computer History Museum where we could accommodate three times the people.</i><p>Given that all 450 accepted attendees were women, I can assume that some women were rejected. Would it have made sense to reject qualified women to this event in place of qualified men? Personally, I think not.
nawitusabout 11 years ago
&quot; and deal with the boys&quot;<p>Well.. that started out pretty sexist.
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kyroabout 11 years ago
An overall well-balanced article, but I find it hard to believe that Jessica meant anything more regarding non-technical founders than someone having to carry their weight by taking care of the majority of non-technical tasks in a startup whose product is likely wholly technical. I&#x27;ve heard male non-technical founders recount memories of making coffee for coders to keep them happy. If anything, she gave a more accurate depiction of the role than someone who calls themselves the business or product guy.
mbestoabout 11 years ago
&gt; <i>It wasn’t just that she referred to herself as a nontechnical cofounder it’s that she repeatedly diminished herself and her own qualifications at a conference supposedly organized to stop other women from doing the same thing. Has no one ever pointed out to Jessica that at the end of the day YC is an investment company and that she was the only YC cofounder with actual investment experience? That, if anything, she was the ONLY ONE of that group even remotely qualified to be there? Not a tagalong in her boyfriend’s company who has to constantly apologize for her presence.</i><p>Interesting that was the OP&#x27;s response. I simply took it as her being humble, not diminutive - so for me, her message was clearly delivered - take pride in whatever it is you do and do it well, regardless of role or sex. Interestingly, after hearing her keynote I thought she was the &quot;technical&quot; co-founder (she had investment experience in a investment based company) and pg was the non-technical co-founder (he was the hustler and gained the attention of the developers they would fund and match them up with investors).
bertilabout 11 years ago
&gt; Giving the idea of “separate but equal” another try and seeing if it plays in our favor this time?<p>I think that this is a key point about that conference, and TED Woman. That and the implied paramount of sexism idea that if they let men talk, there are going to be chauvinist pig, because that’s indistinguishable from having a penis.
rachellawabout 11 years ago
The first half sounds like an echo-chamber hugbox The second sounds useful, but mainly because the content was useful. Did any of the conference address what a female founder is specifically?<p>I&#x27;m still concerned that a Female Founders Conference would exclude men or people of other genders. Yes it&#x27;s great to have a platform to stand as a woman, but what about trans* or non-traditional genders? Where do they go then? The whole idea of feminism is inclusion, which means including trans, queer and other genders and YES including men too.
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tyoungabout 11 years ago
If I wasn&#x27;t married to my cofounder, I would have the saddest love life.
the_rosentotterabout 11 years ago
An unrelated nitpick (this is HN after all): The white-on-black text really bothered me. I am seeing ghosting a few minutes after reading the piece (which I read in its entirety because it was pretty good).
slowmotionyabout 11 years ago
When can we expect YC&#x27;s Male Founders Conference?