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MMM Receives Legal Threats

309 pointsby danvideoabout 11 years ago

29 comments

thaumaturgyabout 11 years ago
Ken Popehat (<a href="http://www.popehat.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.popehat.com&#x2F;</a>) might be worth contacting. Even if he can&#x27;t help directly, he might know someone who can. He&#x27;s about the closest thing the internet has to a folk superhero in law; he has a &quot;Popehat signal&quot; (<a href="http://www.popehat.com/tag/popehat-signal/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.popehat.com&#x2F;tag&#x2F;popehat-signal&#x2F;</a>) he uses for a &quot;call for pro bono help for online folks who get threatened with bogus censorious lawsuits&quot; (<a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1aokls/iama_federal_criminal_defense_attorney_and_former/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;IAmA&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1aokls&#x2F;iama_federal_cr...</a>) and he got involved, at least twice, with a university-area bus company that has tried to silence criticism on Reddit (<a href="http://beta.slashdot.org/story/185659" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;beta.slashdot.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;185659</a>).
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jimbokunabout 11 years ago
Every time I see another example of frivolous litigation threats like this, I feel like one of the biggest shortcomings of the U.S. justice system is not enough pain inflicted on frivolous litigators.<p>This goes for patent trolling, too, obviously.<p>There should be a healthy fear of filing baseless legal challenges. Disbarment? Large fines? What&#x27;s the effective remedy here, that doesn&#x27;t go so far it dissuades legitimate cases?
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tdees40about 11 years ago
Looks like this has already made it to the Wikipedia page for Kiss Trust:<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_Trust" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kiss_Trust</a>
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daphneokeefeabout 11 years ago
Aside from this current issue, which has no doubt raised awareness of MMM&#x27;s website, one of the positive outcomes here is that HN readers may be exposed to some of the most awesomely good advice you will ever receive. Reading his posts has led me to understand that I am not alone by any means in my quest for financial independence, which is true independence. Check out his site -- you can begin with the &quot;Start Here&quot; link on the navbar.
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xacaxuluabout 11 years ago
MMM is handling this like pros! Hopefully this will serve as a blueprint for future people in similar situations.
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tomphooleryabout 11 years ago
I highly suggest going the &quot;Something Awful&quot; route, and simply just making fun of the lawyer(s) in question until they stop.<p>People like this should be treated the way they act. Like children.
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VMGabout 11 years ago
Google cache: <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VT0QbIB2VY8J:www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/03/11/mmm-receives-legal-threats-great-lawyer-wanted/+&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:VT0QbIB...</a>
err4ntabout 11 years ago
Did anybody else notice it said DCMA on the original lawyers letter?<p><pre><code> these posts infringe on our trademarks and copyrights in violation of the DCMA </code></pre> <a href="http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/kisstrust_first_bullshit_letter.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mrmoneymustache.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;ki...</a>
lingbenabout 11 years ago
google cache of relevant MMM forum thread (removed):<p><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tMinWjWB6DYJ:www.mrmoneymustache.com/forum/investor-alley/kiss-trust-has-sent-a-legal-threat-to-this-blog/+&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:tMinWjW...</a>
tanon500about 11 years ago
Organization who allegedly asked the lawyer to take action: <a href="http://www.kisstrust.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kisstrust.com&#x2F;</a><p>* Maybe this was just an incompetent attorney, but regardless, taking legal action against a website for a comment posted really demonstrates that the company isn&#x27;t capable of using its good reputation to handle the situation, and therefore lacks said reputation. Can&#x27;t compete on the merits - GTFO. &#x2F;rant
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k3oniabout 11 years ago
Well that was a good read. Seems that someone needs to learn how the internet works. Just put it on reddit and watch the Streisand effect in action :).
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viggityabout 11 years ago
FWIW, the kisstrust.com website appears to be down (giving a 404). Furthermore, I&#x27;d like to express my opinion that these lawyers are a bunch of douchebags.
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Hawkeeabout 11 years ago
This reminds me of a case I was involved in several years ago, <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2008/07/17/channel-intelligence-sues-just-about-everyone-who-offers-wishlists/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2008&#x2F;07&#x2F;17&#x2F;channel-intelligence-sues-j...</a> - It ended up blowing up in their faces. I remember getting the phone number to the CEO of Channel Intelligence and calling him up directly. His response was, &quot;Can you all just stop calling me! We&#x27;ll fix this, just stop calling me!&quot; I believe they were trying to collect license fees to establish their patent, but in the end they had to give it away for free to everybody involved. Those who wouldn&#x27;t accept it got no further legal action. 5 years later Google bought Channel Intelligence. Go figure.
eliabout 11 years ago
Sounds like they would be pretty foolish to proceed with a lawsuit, doubly so if MMM happens to be in a state with a strong Anti-SLAPP law.
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dbboltonabout 11 years ago
RICO? That may be the most definitively <i>empty</i> legal threat I have ever seen on the internet.<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corru...</a>
CaptJaxabout 11 years ago
As a lawyer who dabbles in IP&#x2F;cyber law (not admitted in VA, so I can&#x27;t help out), I really love seeing personal injury&#x2F;criminal defense attorneys send cease and desist letters to publishers who are clearly protected under federal law.
6cxs2hd6about 11 years ago
Second letter:<p>&gt; <i>This will serve as formal notice to preserve all ISP [sic] addresses... </i><p>To paraphrase Churchill: &quot;I may be drunk, but in the morning I will be sober, whereas you will still be an idiot.&quot;
gesmanabout 11 years ago
There is no doubt you&#x27;ll get flooded with offers to help. Someone reasonable, knowledgeable and efficient is going to have a good time.
TrainedMonkeyabout 11 years ago
Well this one should be slam dunk to dismiss unless they file lawsuit in Texas eastern circuit court.
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final_approachabout 11 years ago
Slightly offtopic, but oddly enough MMM is also a name of the most famous Russian ponzi scheme from the 90s. Laughed a little bit, but no parallels, of course. All the luck to this blog.
fnordfnordfnordabout 11 years ago
Marc Randazza or Popehat would make quick work of this fool.
cftabout 11 years ago
Try contacting Eric Goldman <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.ericgoldman.org&#x2F;</a>
rejectedstoneabout 11 years ago
I was surprised to see their site is still up. Making the internet mad at you, doesn&#x27;t typically end well.
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mahmoudimusabout 11 years ago
Completely off-topic, but I did not know about this website. Going to check it out as it sounds very useful!
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ilbeabout 11 years ago
Will the original thread about KISS Trust be restored?
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kyleblarsonabout 11 years ago
Looks like they might also need help scaling a website.
Paul12345534about 11 years ago
Popehat
notastartupabout 11 years ago
not sure I understand what&#x27;s going on here, why are they being threatened legally and who is doing it?
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atomicalabout 11 years ago
What&#x27;s wrong with contacting a lawyer if someone is writing things that are blatantly untrue? Has anyone here actually read the posts?
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