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Goodbye Popcorn Time

562 pointsby redox_about 11 years ago

57 comments

nasalgoatabout 11 years ago
On the topic of pirated content, I was an early contributor to the Veronica Mars movie Kickstarter, and I received my &quot;digital download&quot; today.<p>It consisted of a link to sign up to <i>two separate websites</i> to download a <i>specific player</i> that would stream the video for me on <i>supported platforms only</i>. Also, the HD version might not be available right away.<p>I checked and the torrent of the HD version had been online for 30 minutes already.<p>Why do they bother with this bullshit? It makes no logical sense and all it does is hurt them.
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mentosabout 11 years ago
&gt; Piracy is not a people problem. It’s a service problem.<p>I&#x27;d say its a pricing problem.<p>Right now &#x27;The Wolf of Wall Street&#x27; is available from Amazon Instant Video at $20. On your popular torrent site virtually the same product is available for $0 + (riskOfGettingCaught * $1,000,000 fine) = $0.000001 ?<p>You can either try to increase the riskOfGettingCaught or decrease the legal price.<p>I think the industry should do what Hulu has done over the past 5 years. Give the product away virtually for free, collect an enormous user base while you starve&#x2F;kill the demand for the equivalent torrents, slowly increase the price of the service until you find equilibrium, then profit.<p>But hey, maybe piracy isn&#x27;t really a problem? The greatest assumption people make is that because someone downloaded a movie illegally they were willing to buy it for $20. Which is false. I&#x27;d have to imagine that selling &#x27;The Wolf of Wall Street&#x27; for $20 on Amazon is more profitable than selling it for say $19 and capturing a few pirate consumers.<p>But I wonder if theres a number between $0 and $19 that captures enough of the piraters to be more profitable than $20?
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fjcaetanoabout 11 years ago
It doesn&#x27;t matter. The code is already out there.<p>Respectfully, I think the authors didn&#x27;t think much and were kinda dumb. The project had a great potential, it was barely legal, they bought a fight with the media industry, but the cherry-on-top is that they putted their asses on the line. They shouldn&#x27;t have used their real names. Anonymise your accounts and be happy.<p>But as I said, it doesn&#x27;t matter. Everyone already has a fork of their repo (which has over 70 open pull-requests) and any one of these forks may become the new &quot;official&quot;. It won&#x27;t stop. The gears are already running, much like bitcoin. Fortunately.
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programminggeekabout 11 years ago
Did anyone believe that Popcorn Time was going to end any other way than this?<p>Either they were going to be shut down by their own choice, or their hand would be forced by outside litigation. Just because something is legal doesn&#x27;t mean companies won&#x27;t spend millions of dollars to make your life miserable because of what you built.
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galapagoabout 11 years ago
There is an encrypted message [1] in the last commit of their website (popcorn-time.github.io).<p>[1] <a href="https://github.com/popcorn-time/popcorn-time.github.io/commit/d0a39b7f04bf8e6ceb1c41fa0b74a10e267beb92" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;popcorn-time&#x2F;popcorn-time.github.io&#x2F;commi...</a>
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User8712about 11 years ago
Well, this is disappointing. It seemed like a nicely designed application, with an enthusiastic development team behind it. And now, within days, it&#x27;s gone.<p>If they wanted to avoid piracy, I think it might have had some potential going the legal route as well. It would be a nice interface to browse legal movies, documentaries, web series, etc.<p>Strange decision, I could see a company like Netflix buying them out for a rather large sum of money, within a short period of time.<p>As far as using it as a stepping stone to future jobs, why wouldn&#x27;t they run the application longer? They pulled the plug before it became a widespread success. It they waited longer, the name Popcorn Time would actually be recognizable, which would be great for their résumé, kind of like saying you developed Napster. Now, they&#x27;ll mention they worked on Popcorn Time, and have to explain to everyone it was an app to stream torrents, that had a brief shelf life.<p>They really should have road this out longer. Even the name was catchy. Someone else is going to fork the project and achieve the success they would have earned.
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leotabout 11 years ago
It&#x27;s better that the Popcorn Time developers leave now than later. By leaving now they can take advantage of all the attention and get a great fork going.
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drawkboxabout 11 years ago
Sadly, existing then shutting down so fast will only hurt the whole reason they set out. Lawyers and middle men are licking their chops and toasting champagne and caviar dreams at the idea of such fast work on their part.<p>It did prove once again that demand for easy services is desired but lots of that were also because it was free.
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MikeTaylorabout 11 years ago
I wonder what will happen to the code-base. It&#x27;s pretty hard to make an application go away when there are many checkouts of its git module around the world.
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amiroucheabout 11 years ago
Of course, they received money. So much coverage and stop it here? Who would believe that they are honest? As if the guy who invented torrent stopped working on torrent...<p>There is a standard for this techno, it&#x27;s called PPSP [1] it covers both &quot;free&quot; network (with a DHT tracker) and controlled networks (the one required for distributing protected content). There is even an free software that is based on it [2] and a c++ library [3]. It is was developed during P2PNext [4]. During this research some one achieved sub-second DHT lookup and now works at Spotify.<p>If you are interested in the subject of P2P maybe &quot;P2P virtual network&quot; or &quot;second life P2P&quot; search might interest you.<p>My interest is for the time being a graph database over a DHT. I am at the very early stage in terms of code. But maybe this might give you an idea of what I&#x27;m looking for [5].<p>[1] <a href="http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ppsp/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tools.ietf.org&#x2F;wg&#x2F;ppsp&#x2F;</a> [2] <a href="http://www.tribler.org/trac" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tribler.org&#x2F;trac</a> [3] <a href="http://libswift.org/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;libswift.org&#x2F;</a> [4] <a href="http://p2pnext.eu/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;p2pnext.eu&#x2F;</a> [5] <a href="https://github.com/amirouche/no" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;amirouche&#x2F;no</a>
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irunbackwardsabout 11 years ago
Anyone interested in the app can still build it from their repo.<p><a href="https://github.com/popcorn-time/popcorn-app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;popcorn-time&#x2F;popcorn-app</a>
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j_bakerabout 11 years ago
&gt; Popcorn Time as a project is legal. We checked.<p>The law isn&#x27;t quite so black and white. There are a lot of different theories good lawyers can come up with. At the end of the day, the only thing that&#x27;s legal is what a court says is legal.
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notdonspauldingabout 11 years ago
Here&#x27;s what I don&#x27;t understand. I pay Netflix $8&#x2F;month to stream movies and TV shows in HD. From that $8 Netflix has to pay their hosting expenses, maintain a profit margin, and pay licensing fees to Hollywood.<p>Now a technology comes along that in several ways delivers a <i>better service than Netflix</i> to consumers, for absolutely no cost to Hollywood. Is there any reason Hollywood shouldn&#x27;t just release content to torrents, and sell an unlimited license for $8, $16, $24, or ?? a month to consumers living in countries which respect intellectual property?<p>I would gladly pay some amount of money to the content creators if it would buy me Popcorn-time service in a legal manner. I would say the <i>vast majority</i> of Americans are in this boat. They want the service that Popcorn Time used to provide, and they&#x27;ll pay a price for it. It makes absolutely no sense to me that Hollywood hasn&#x27;t figured out how to make an absolute killing off of this free infrastructure by merely selling legal amnesty in the form of bittorrent-streaming licenses.
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izzydataabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;d pay 1-5 dollars for a digital download to a video file that I can move and put on anything I own in any way that I want. I won&#x27;t pay 20-40 dollars for a video I can watch in very limited ways or is a physical disk. It is just too inconvenient to be worth it. There is also a consistency problem. I want everything to be from the same source or in the same format.
plgabout 11 years ago
We need someone rich and powerful to champion this cause, to put their name, influence, reputation behind it. We need an Elon Musk or a Mark Zuckerburg to just do it, and say go ahead, try suing me, I am going to change the system.
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Lambdanautabout 11 years ago
Time to fork and continue development.
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theschwaabout 11 years ago
I find it interesting that this is essentially a web app front end, made with backbone.js, for the node module peerflix, but peerflix hasn&#x27;t received any heat.<p>It seems to me their only &quot;fault&quot; was making things too convenient.
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usaphpabout 11 years ago
I don&#x27;t understand why it got so much attention, it looks just like a ripoff from zona.ru, even the frontend website looks similar. And zona has been out there for quite some time already.
tzamanabout 11 years ago
Is it just me or is there something they aren&#x27;t telling us?
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baxter001about 11 years ago
A nice wrapper around something like btcat: <a href="http://jordic.com/btcat/btcat" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jordic.com&#x2F;btcat&#x2F;btcat</a> is all that&#x27;s really needed, a great part of popcorn time was purely in the marketing and presentation, the technology is relatively straight forwards.<p>Now it&#x27;s clear there&#x27;s a demand for similar tools this isn&#x27;t a tide that can be stopped.
Jugurthaabout 11 years ago
There&#x27;s a saying that goes : Don&#x27;t buy fish in the ocean.<p>Studios and all assume that people are thieves.<p>There are a number of cases to think of:<p>Tim Ferriss teamed with.. BitTorrent to distribute his latest book (4 Hour Chef). He wrote a detailed article on his experience and the correlation between BitTorrent downloads and sales (number driven he is, he tracked that real-time).<p>The model was the second-shareware model of early DOS games (you get part of the content, and if you like it, you buy the rest). And people bought it. There was an ad on BitTorrent clients. I haven&#x27;t bought the book yet, but I haven&#x27;t even downloaded the free content since I&#x27;m saving the thing for later.<p>There was Radiohead releasing &quot;In Rainbows&quot; as a &quot;Pay what you want&quot; which is extremely risky (since you&#x27;re giving all the content). And yet, I&#x27;ll let the reader look up the numbers (it ended being pretty lucrative, since a lot of people pre-ordered it).<p>Studios and Publishers seem to forget that a lot of human beings would pay if it were easy. One of the reasons I got a MasterCard recently is to pay for books I&#x27;ve read. I live in a country where English isn&#x27;t spoken, so there&#x27;s no way I can find them in libraries, I tried to buy on Amazon, they told me they can&#x27;t ship it where I live.<p>Second: It&#x27;s ridiculous to expect of me to buy a movie I haven&#x27;t watched, or a book I haven&#x27;t read.<p>Bear in mind that even with content so easily to be pirated, <i>most</i> movies, and I mean like 99% of them, I wouldn&#x27;t waste bandwidth to download them. I swear that I wouldn&#x27;t even watch them if I were paid. Why ? Because a movie is 1h30 to 2h minimum and my life is made of hours and minutes and seconds. I don&#x27;t like to waste my time. It&#x27;s not like I&#x27;m immortal.<p>So most movies are crap to being with, not everyone is De Niro.<p>An other reason: Content is hardly accessible the legal way because their platforms suck big time. I give an example ?<p>Say there&#x27;s an interview on NBC or CNN (though free).. I wouldn&#x27;t watch it on CNN or NBC, because their site is so slow, their players are <i>horrible</i> you want to punch your laptop. So I go to Youtube and find that video and watch it without a glitch.<p>So I wouldn&#x27;t even watch free content on the platform of the provider of this free content, because his platform sucks !<p>If your website is straining someone&#x27;s computer&#x27;s resources and making the fan go crazy, you got to ask yourself tough questions (and probably fire some people).<p>I gladly pay for things. I donate on random websites just because I want to, or because I liked something, or because they had a funny thing, etc.
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cottonseedabout 11 years ago
I thought it was a desktop app that used 3rd party torrent movie search APIs (YIFI, OpenSubtitles, etc.) to stream torrents. How does a desktop app &quot;shut down&quot;? I must be misunderstanding part of the architecture. Did they have a centralized server? What did they use it for?<p>I know they took the down the download link. People are reporting the app no longer works.
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f47h3rabout 11 years ago
Don&#x27;t worry, YIFI is on it...<p><a href="http://torrentfreak.com/popcorn-time-shuts-down-then-gets-resurrected-by-yts-yify-140315/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;torrentfreak.com&#x2F;popcorn-time-shuts-down-then-gets-re...</a><p><i>edit</i> Link to new github repo for YIFY:<p><a href="https://github.com/Yify/popcorn-app" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;Yify&#x2F;popcorn-app</a>
darksim905about 11 years ago
Nobody has a god damn spine in the tech world. These guys could&#x27;ve stood up &amp; been different - the fact they shut down shortly after being featured on here, Reddit &amp; other large websites shows that they weren&#x27;t passionate at all &amp; weren&#x27;t willing to standup for their users at all. Ridiculous.
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gcvabout 11 years ago
Could this have been the intent all along? Make a decent first cut of the code, generate a ton of publicity, then generate a ton <i>more</i> publicity — note the vagueness about why exactly they shut down — then leave the code in reasonable working order up on GitHub. Now a thousand hard-to-shutdown forks will bloom.
jrochkind1about 11 years ago
&gt; <i>Popcorn Time as a project is legal. We checked. Four Times.</i><p>What the heck does that mean? Four times, eh? You mean you asked four different lawyers? You asked the same lawyer four times? You got sued four times and won? (Obviously not). You &#x27;checked&#x27; by googling around for legal information... four times? You asked your cousin who took a class on copyright once? Four cousins? You emailed the MPAA... four times?<p>I don&#x27;t think the law works like you think it works.<p>&gt; <i>Our experiment has put us at the doors of endless debates about piracy and copyright, legal threats and the shady machinery that makes us feel in danger for doing what we love. And that’s not a battle we want a place in.</i><p>So, if after your &#x27;four times checking&#x27;, it still caught you by surprise that there&#x27;d be debates and legal threats... I don&#x27;t think you were checking in the right places.
Noxchiabout 11 years ago
I was trying to use Popcorn yesterday and it just plain sucked. I then installed XBMC and XBMCTorrent plugin, and everything was buttery smooth.<p>Popcorn is built on A LOT of immature technology, which makes it very slow. XBMCtorrent on the other hand uses mature, tested, compiled libraries and platforms.
ialexabout 11 years ago
Hey this is not the end, it is an opportunity to sell this technology to some company that has problems streaming video PopCorn Time is just the proof that it works and it can be used to solve real world problems. So i hope you find a successful exit.
gulbrandrabout 11 years ago
The best part:<p><i>We’ve shown that people will risk fines, lawsuits and whatever consequences that may come just to be able to watch a recent movie in slippers. Just to get the kind of experience they deserve.<p>And maybe, that asking nicely for a few bucks a month to watch whichever movie you want is a bit better than that.<p>Popcorn Time is shutting down today. Not because we ran out of energy, commitment, focus or allies. But because we need to move on with our lives.<p>Our experiment has put us at the doors of endless debates about piracy and copyright, legal threats and the shady machinery that makes us feel in danger for doing what we love. And that’s not a battle we want a place in.</i>
apiabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;ve scanned this whole thread and there&#x27;s not a single post that is at all critical of the intentions behind Popcorn Time. I guess you&#x27;re all okay with a world where content creators don&#x27;t eat.<p>Or do you have a better idea than copyright? If so, by all means let&#x27;s hear it. I promise you that the person who solves that problem in an accessible way will be the next Mark Zuckerberg, or at least Tim Berners-Lee. Every single artist, musician, movie studio, and producer in the world will beat a path to your door, frantically scrambling for their checkbooks and trembling as they hover over a check with the pen asking &quot;how much?!? how much!??&quot; They will break into your house and shove cash down your throat while you sleep.<p>I know a good number of writers, artists, and musicians. Do any of you six-figure-earners have <i>any</i> idea how insanely hard it is to even make a living doing anything &quot;creative?&quot; I mean a basic living: food, shelter, occasional transportation. Nothing infuriates these people more than clueless techies with (to them) <i>unimaginable</i> earning power braying on about how they should live off charity or touring revenues so &quot;information can be free.&quot; <i>You try it</i>, and no open source does not count. Open source is a resume item that helps you land your next six-figure gig, not to mention the fact that it can be monetized in other ways... ways that unlike tip jars actually work. (Services, training, dual-licensing, etc.)<p>Oh sure, yeah, the record industries and Hollywood make more than the artists. Everyone knows that. In the past, the record company or the studio made most of the money and the artist got too little. But now with piracy the artist gets <i>zero</i>. Is that a step in the right direction? We&#x27;ve gone from artists having to suck up to shady promoters to artists not even having shady promoters to suck up to.<p>Why is there so much crappy music on the radio? Because the people who like it are either too young or too dumb to pirate it.<p>And this is coming from someone who&#x27;s written peer to peer apps. I am pretty liberal in this area. I do not believe a technology should be interfered with just because it could potentially be used for piracy. If we did that, we&#x27;d have to shut down the whole Internet. But there&#x27;s a difference between designing an app that <i>can</i> be used for piracy and designing one whose entire focus and modus operandi is to promote piracy front and center. It may not be illegal but it&#x27;s a dick move. Let&#x27;s see you work for &quot;voluntary contributions,&quot; assholes.<p>To add douche to the nozzle, there&#x27;s people in here congratulating the Popcorn Time authors on how brilliant they are by leveraging this for publicity. That&#x27;s wonderful. Now these folks who did little more than hack together some node.js scripts with a front end will go out and make well above $100k while musicians struggle to pay rent for tiny closets in the ghetto. So the MPAA might have harassed them. Boo hoo. Go blow your nose into your hordes of cash.<p>Maybe the end of copyright as we know it is technologically inevitable. But in the meantime it shows more than a little bit of ignorance, naiveté, and douchebaggery to congratulate each other on destroying peoples&#x27; livelihoods en masse. Maybe instead all you hackers could bend your considerable intellects toward trying to solve this problem in a productive way that actually helps creators get paid while also making it easy for people to enjoy their work. You&#x27;d be loved, not to mention wealthy and historically legendary.
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mncolinleeabout 11 years ago
It&#x27;s deeply frustrating that Bittorrent is still synonymous with piracy just like MP3 was in the 1990s. It&#x27;s simply a protocol. One may use a technology like this for very good purposes, including independent film distribution. When I worked at Pearson, we could not convince network personnel to allow corporate Bittorrent for media content distribution to international sites because they were afraid auditors would balk at it for its connotations. It was clearly the best technology for the job and auditors have accepted it for similar uses at companies like Ebay and Paypal.
whatshaupabout 11 years ago
You know what really grinds my gears? You actually give so much credit to Popcorn Time for &quot;inventing&quot; something that the damn europeans have for a thousand years...OK, maybe for americans is Heaven on earth cause they pay for damn everything but it&#x27;s not like they invented fire! It&#x27;s the same story as Twitter in Europe. Everyone thought it&#x27;s just another social network, then it moves to US and BOOM. I should start &quot;porting&quot; some ideas then cause you just proved a point I have for 8 years now.
babyabout 11 years ago
I thought it was decentralized enough that you just needed the software for the job. Seems like it used a centralized point since I can&#x27;t use it now.
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cantbecoolabout 11 years ago
I was hoping this service was going to take off. I created something similar, a simple movie torrent search engine: <a href="http://www.moviemagnet.net" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moviemagnet.net</a> I hope people are not discouraged by Popcorn&#x27;s exit, since torrent based applications should force the issue, old media companies to change their archaic distribution models.
GBiTabout 11 years ago
Goodbye Popcorn Time, hello Popcorn app - <a href="https://github.com/yify" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;yify</a>
GigabyteCoinabout 11 years ago
I don&#x27;t understand. I thought Popcorn Time was FOSS with it&#x27;s source on GitHub that downloaded all it&#x27;s data from external APIs.<p>How can it possibly just &quot;say goodbye&quot;?<p>Is this the main developers disowning it or what? I imagine thousands of other devs now have local forks of it on their home machine and can&#x2F;will continue to develop and release it?
badman_tingabout 11 years ago
I never used the thing, but people seemed pretty impressed by it. This post is a mess though, it&#x27;s all over the place.
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mayanmanabout 11 years ago
Mine does not work anymore, just spins. Mine also says Popcorn time Goodbye was just released you should get it now!
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514d3about 11 years ago
Old working version: <a href="https://mega.co.nz/#!aoB02BwK!AXxujXpZ2AJPe9YUwYDs1EYM6BBnWwvSb5g_eKgolRg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mega.co.nz&#x2F;#!aoB02BwK!AXxujXpZ2AJPe9YUwYDs1EYM6BBnWw...</a><p>Apparently they patched it after this release so they could shut it down; tested the one above a moment ago and it still works
Oculusabout 11 years ago
I don&#x27;t think this was Popcorn&#x27;s choice. I&#x27;d be willing to bet their hand is being forced here.
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redox_about 11 years ago
What does their last commit stand for? <a href="https://github.com/popcorn-time/popcorn-app/commit/7e4d851bc02082d5bbc0260315fd61fe856d0bdc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;popcorn-time&#x2F;popcorn-app&#x2F;commit&#x2F;7e4d851bc...</a>
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kayooneabout 11 years ago
Believing that piracy is solely a Service problem is pretty naive or downright ignorant. Yes, some people pirate because other means of purchasing the content in question are inferior but lets face it: People will always prefer the free option
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denimboyabout 11 years ago
try this:<p><pre><code> https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;hjhart&#x2F;the_rotten_pirate</code></pre>
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ghxabout 11 years ago
Kinda random, but I associate the word &quot;popcorn&quot; with time, because when I was a kid growing up in the Bay Area, we always dialed POP-CORN (767-2676) to get the current time. Probably just a coincidence?
Tychoabout 11 years ago
<i>We’ve shown that people will risk fines, lawsuits and whatever consequences that may come just to be able to watch a recent movie in slippers. Just to get the kind of experience they deserve.</i><p>What? Why do they deserve this?
NDizzleabout 11 years ago
That may be gone but you can still use <a href="http://www.nzbplayer.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nzbplayer.com&#x2F;</a> if you absolutely must watch things as you download them.
jacobbudinabout 11 years ago
&gt; We became the underdog that would fight for the consumer.<p>That&#x27;s like saying &quot;Sure, we burned down the bank, but we did it for the frustrated account holders.&quot;
elwellabout 11 years ago
Am interested in details, but none given.
staticelfabout 11 years ago
Why the fuck did they host the servers themselves? Was this planned all the time?
manish_gillabout 11 years ago
I installed it 2 days ago. Was gonna try it out tonight, and now this. :(
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elwellabout 11 years ago
Well that was fast.
userbinatorabout 11 years ago
Goodbye Popcorn Time, Hello Streisand Effect.
IAmNotBoratabout 11 years ago
I hope someone from Hollywood reads that.
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robinhoodexeabout 11 years ago
How long till someone forks it...
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jcslzrabout 11 years ago
i think the solution is going to be the spotify model for movies.
frade33about 11 years ago
Just today I thought, can we an iPad version of this app. nevermind.
oh_sighabout 11 years ago
I guess I&#x27;m the odd man out on reddit, er hackernews, but it doesn&#x27;t seem too brave or incredible to build an app which is used to primarily stream stolen content.
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