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Apple Designer Jonathan Ive Talks About Steve Jobs and New Products

166 pointsby srikarabout 11 years ago

21 comments

doktrinabout 11 years ago
I found the entire article unpleasant to read. It felt servile and sycophantic.<p>For instance :<p>&gt; &quot;...The iMac banished complicated, hard-to-use PCs from our desks and made computing easy.&quot;<p>&gt; &quot;...the two men set out on their maniacal journey to remake what they saw as the bland, lazy world around them..&quot;<p>&gt; &quot;...Tomorrow doesn’t wait for the man who designs it.&quot;<p>Seriously?<p>&gt; &quot;... It looks like all the other dull, un-Apple-like glass and beige — yes, beige — concrete blocks.&quot;<p>This last one isn&#x27;t so much worshipful as ironic, considering the color chosen by Jobs for the original Macintosh.
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skoreabout 11 years ago
&gt; <i>A phone is just a phone, not the second coming of Christ. “What people are responding to is much bigger than the object. They are responding to something rare — a group of people who do more than simply make something work, they make the very best products they possibly can. It’s a demonstration against thoughtlessness and carelessness,”</i><p>&gt; <i>[...]when I ask whether he is flattered or frustrated when he sees his designs so widely referenced, reworked — ok, copied. “It’s theft,” he replies in a heartbeat, his eyes narrowing sharply.</i><p>Isn&#x27;t that the real shame here? I admire Apple for their undisputed ability to strike these marvels of design and the way in which they are immitated does reinforce that they have condensed their solutions into something true, something fundamental. And - fluffiness aside, I do think they serve as demonstrations &quot;against thoughtlessness and carelessness&quot;. I admire it in a similar way that I admire how wikipedia has become <i>the encyclopedia</i>. The difference is that in the latter, we have realized that it is a <i>common good</i> that needs to be shared, not an asset that a company posesses.<p>I understand the enormous amount of work that Ive and his team have put into these devices and they are justified in thinking that they deserve a lot of glory for them. But maybe they are looking for it in the wrong places?<p>Maybe the identity crisis that Apple has isn&#x27;t so much their inability to find the next big thing, but their over-attachment to their past hits? Perhaps the key to new glory is letting go of the old glory and sharing it with the world, their ego removed from the equation?
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T-zexabout 11 years ago
&quot;We make and sell a very, very large number of (hopefully) beautiful, well-made things. our success is a victory for purity, integrity — for giving a damn.&quot;<p>Surely he&#x27;s not talking about the headphones supplied with iDevices.
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onliabout 11 years ago
This is not an interview. This is a write-up, a summary or a report, of an interview. Is that a Time&#x2F;US-thing?<p>It&#x27;s a pity, I would have enjoyed a real interview with him.
badman_tingabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;m guessing he doesn&#x27;t work on the Maps app, or Siri. Apologies for the snark but when you&#x27;re playing at this level and talking big talk about how great your products are, you gotta back it up.
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erokarabout 11 years ago
Apple needs to step their game up. The Mac Pro is arguably the most interesting they have produced in the last few years. Macbooks, while still elegant, haven&#x27;t had a major design update since 2009. iPhone and iPad updates were evolutionary. iOS 7 is a travesty of aesthetic shortcomings, elementary design errors and bugs. Apple can&#x27;t afford to be smug any more.
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mrcwinnabout 11 years ago
Sooooooooo...<p>&quot;We’re surrounded by anonymous, poorly made objects. It’s tempting to think it’s because the people who use them don’t care — just like the people who make them.&quot;<p>I am certainly a big believer in &quot;giving a damn&quot; about design and code. I completely believe that people &quot;feel&quot; the care that went into a product. I myself have agonized over a detail without any direct evidence that anyone, anywhere, would ever notice or care.<p>But I&#x27;m not sure this type of dismissive talk is the right way to relay the message. There are objects that are intended to fulfill specific requirements and budgets. Apple has the luxury of selling high-end products to people, like me, who are lucky enough to afford (unsubsidized) $600 phones. We take it for granted, but that&#x27;s not the norm for a bunch of great people.<p>There&#x27;s an office chair at Staples that is uglier than the chair I sit in. The materials simply don&#x27;t compare. But then neither would the price. There are people who just need a damn chair, and don&#x27;t have a bunch of money to afford a &quot;non-anonymous&quot; chair designed by somebody who &quot;cared.&quot; In fact, to the contrary, I&#x27;m certain the designer of the cheap chair appreciates his or her job, is trying to provide for a family, and would care not to lose their job.<p>Elon Musk made a similar comment. He said the actual cost to the manufacturer of a car in terms of product design is negligible. You could design the most beautiful car in the world without dramatically changing the sticker price for the finished product. So maybe Kia should go for it: spend millions of dollars per year and put together the best design shop the industry has ever known! Design an incredible new studio for them to work in. Give them the best tools. A completely new prototyping facility to print their designs. Hire color consultants to get the paint <i>just</i> right.<p>And then tell them they can only use the materials and manufacturing process of today&#x27;s $12,000 car, and somehow ensure the incredible demand for the most beautiful car ever conceived did not impact the price in any way.<p>Is it any wonder Tesla, despite Musk&#x27;s claims, is working his way from the top of the market, and not the bottom?<p>Tim Cook said last year something similar with regard to Android tablets. He said those tablets are collecting dust (my cheap, $199 Nexus 7 is not). If a parent really cared about their children&#x27;s education, they would opt for a more expensive iPad because it has better children&#x27;s apps (probably true right now).<p>This is the same line of communication that Ive demonstrates here. To me, it&#x27;s dismissive. I actually love my little daughter a whole bunch. I&#x27;m crazy about her. I don&#x27;t measure that love in dollars, and I actually think a cheaper, more durable Nexus 7 is the better option for her to play with right now.<p>Apple&#x27;s communications are borderline dismissive to people who are less fortunate and less lucky. I don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s intentional, because they are full of wonderful people, but I wish they would be more careful in their communication. Marketing should be optimistic and aspirational, not dismissive and elitist.
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bananasabout 11 years ago
Let us not forget, he designed the &quot;Puck Mouse&quot; that came with the iMac and G3 towers...
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bluedinoabout 11 years ago
Mr. Ive - what the hell has been going on with Apple mice in the last 16 years?
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noir_lordabout 11 years ago
&gt; The final straw came one rainy day when he drove to Hull to present his design for a new hand basin and toilet for ideal Standard.<p>I was born and have lived in Hull all my life and that sounds about right, in fairness the boss wearing a red nose for a charity day isn&#x27;t that big a deal.<p>&gt; boss lampooned his work as too modern and too expensive to build — while wearing a giant plastic red nose.<p>I suspect it contained a few more epithets than that.
dalek2point3about 11 years ago
&quot; has meant we have known little about the man who shapes the future, with such innovations as the iMac, the iPod, the iPhone and the iPad.&quot;<p>really? Ive regularly appears in public and gives interviews. there&#x27;s a reason he&#x27;s famous and well-known. sheesh.
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collypopsabout 11 years ago
I love the difference in rhetoric when things are written about Ive compared to Jobs. It&#x27;s subtle, but shows how much we throw around credit:<p>&quot;Ive helped transform computing&quot; vs &quot;Jobs transformed computing&quot;
nicholassmithabout 11 years ago
I like how every interviewer will try get a leading question about future product development, just in case there&#x27;s a bit of senility that day &quot;Oh yeah that jetpack we&#x27;re...wait a minute!&quot;. It&#x27;s a bit redundant, we know Apple will work on something new, we know they won&#x27;t say.<p>Aside from that, nice to read some of Ives thoughts on design.
kbutlerabout 11 years ago
TLDR:<p>(This space intentionally left blank.)
stcredzeroabout 11 years ago
<i>“Objects and their manufacture are inseparable. You understand a product if you understand how it’s made,”</i><p>Also goes for software.
ChuckFrankabout 11 years ago
Who is stealing from whom? Herr Dieter Rams would like to know.
thibautsabout 11 years ago
tl;dr Ive is too humble to openly admit he is&#x2F;was &quot;the man who designs tomorrow&quot;. The first and last lines say it all.<p>This is, to me, a way to convey to the public that Apple&#x27;s core is not dead with Jobs, after years of attributing him all the miracles.<p>Apple&#x27;s brand is made of heroes and epics. Ive could well be the next one. The picture they used for the article tells a lot.<p>Good luck Apple ! You deserve it as a team
EGregabout 11 years ago
Definitely in Apple there are heroes and individual stars<p>Jobs was the center of it all<p>Do you think it would be better to have a more decentralized political structure?
untilHellbannedabout 11 years ago
So Time.com is a Wordpress blog with a header which covers half of the page,<p>pretty low level,
onmydeskabout 11 years ago
iOS7. What more needs to be said about Ives when left to his own devices. And by his own devices of course I mean jobs and Forstalls devices.<p>Stick to the pretty box Ives, know your limits.
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mantraxabout 11 years ago
I don&#x27;t get this, I never will. So this journalist gets access to Ive himself, does an interview, then feels the need to hide that interview and retell it to us, inserting mini-quotes here there.<p>Why!?<p>Give us the <i></i>damn interview<i></i>!
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