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Lost Jet’s Path Seen as Altered via Computer

96 pointsby OWazabout 11 years ago

10 comments

Paddywackabout 11 years ago
My conspiracy theory:<p>The plane was hijacked and there has been contact with Malaysia&#x2F;China&#x2F;USA. One of the conditions for hostages to be held safely is that the Authorities do not make this public.<p>This would explain:<p>- the otherwise unbelievable delays and pure misinformation by the Malaysian government. Stalling for time.<p>- the fact that they did not publicly do background checks on all passengers until recently. They already know who the hijacker is. Now that there is pressure because of elapsed time and that people are seeing holes in the story, they need to be seen to be doing something.<p>What makes this implausible:<p>- it still does not explain where the plane landed and has been hidden without trace in the interim (perhaps they know - NW Pakistan, NE Afghanistan maybe, and just can&#x27;t get to it without harming the hostages)<p>- it would be a diplomatic nightmare to have countries using their assets in a futile search when Malaysia already knows what has happened. (On the other hand, if they took 20 countries into their confidence then they would definitely have had a leak by now.)<p>- talking of leaks - I am sure even if it was a tightly held secret that they were in hostage negotiations, someone would have made it public by now. That&#x27;s just the way things are these days.<p>EDIT: Formatting
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omaraliabout 11 years ago
Non-paywall link <a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=0CCkQqQIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2014%2F03%2F18%2Fworld%2Fasia%2Fmalaysia-airlines-flight.html&amp;ei=uNQnU6GFCoSGogSn_oC4Aw&amp;usg=AFQjCNFbtxp_8dZcv3F4AqbKdal00yui_w" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;c...</a>
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harshrealityabout 11 years ago
The map with overlayed position information shows an arc of possible last positions given the position of the satellite that received the last known signal.<p>Edit: the satellite getting ACARS pings is apparently geosynchronous, so triangulation is not possible, but...<p>What is the arc of the final position based on? The Earth is not flat, and geosynchronous satellites are at about 36,000 km altitude (compare to Earth&#x27;s radius of about 6375 km). Shouldn&#x27;t the position, if based on ranging from a geosynchronous satellite, be much closer to a straight line (and actually dipping to lower altitudes in the center)? Why does the graphic appear to depict a range from a point low over the Indian ocean rather than a point in geostationary orbit?<p>What possible location or ranging information could create an arc like that? If the ping was not to a geosynchronous satellite, that raises questions—the ping couldn&#x27;t have been from the ACARS system, and it would mean triangulation might be possible.<p>Could it be a range from a low earth orbit satellite, or an over the horizon communications system? In the middle of the Indian ocean? The only thing even close to that is <i>Diego Garcia</i>, but the illustrated location is several hundred miles north of Diego Garcia. I&#x27;m discounting over-the-horizon radar, because I think that would have to mean they knew which blip was the missing plane, and isn&#x27;t the only way to know that to be tracking it?<p>What about the second to last known signal, or the third to last? Given that we&#x27;re not talking about arcs from points low over the Indian ocean, but from a point in high orbit, and the plane can only be within an ~8 mile slice from max altitude to the ground, and given that the earth is also curving away from the satellite, how can the arc of possible positions from the final ping cover that much ground?<p>Australia has radar coverage of some of the southern area where the plane might have been. Are we to believe nobody&#x27;s checked Australian radar logs to eliminate part of the southern arc of final positions depicted?<p>Is this search being run by incompetent officials, or are they releasing purposefully incomplete or inaccurate information to the press, or is there some mysterious reason why they generated an arc like that from a geosynchronous satellite and why prior ACARS pings or radar logs don&#x27;t help narrow the search area at all?
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ejdyksenabout 11 years ago
<i>American officials and aviation experts said it was far-fetched to believe that a passenger could have reprogrammed the Flight Management System.</i><p>Unlikely? Sure. Far-fetched? Not as far-fetched as many other ideas that have been floated recently.<p>I recently bought a highly realistic 777 model for MS Flight Simulator X [1], and it has a very good replica Flight Management Computer. Also, when you purchase the software, it comes with <i>thousands</i> of pages of manuals for the real jet.<p>You can see the FMC being programmed inside the simulator here [2].<p>[1] <a href="https://www.precisionmanuals.com/pages/product/777LRF.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.precisionmanuals.com&#x2F;pages&#x2F;product&#x2F;777LRF.html</a><p>[2] <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx_NkdZEGE0&amp;t=0m30s" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=gx_NkdZEGE0&amp;t=0m30s</a>
trackofalljadesabout 11 years ago
This sounds pretty reasonable, and I have absolutely no technical expertise or personal experience with which to refute it, but does this fit with the claim by Rolls Royce that the engines&#x27; feedback systems were still talking to them well after the course change?<p>If you &quot;pull the busses&quot; do the engines still have the ability to send their telemetry data?
dandelanyabout 11 years ago
The Times seems to quote officials as saying they know this via ACARS messages. However, assuming the primary radar returns are good enough, this is reasonably inferred by its radar track alone - the chances of hitting 4 separate navigation waypoints (IGARI, VAMPI, GIVAL, IGREX) based on random human flying is pretty much nil. So this may be just confirmation of what most investigators were already assuming.<p>Sad as it is to say, at this point I think the most likely cause is a bizarre pilot suicide. That night one of the pilots likely allowed a dark, dark thought they once had to overtake them for some reason.<p>First this person programmed a set of remote 5-letter nav waypoints into the FMC without the other pilot noticing - not a difficult task by my understanding. Most likely to hide the evidence for insurance reasons, or just out of shame, to hide his actions from the world (a long flight also ensures the CVR will tape over the relevant bits after its 120min loop - CVR&#x2F;FDR is one of the few things that cannot be disabled from the cockpit of a 777).<p>After the radio handoff, the other pilot left the cockpit for a moment. The perpetrator then set the transponder to standby and disabled ACARS messages from being sent via both VHF and SATCOM. Finally, in order to ensure hypoxia took hold quickly, he set the plane to climb as high as the autopilot would take it (which ended up being ~FL450), and then depressurized the plane, quickly and painlessly killing everyone aboard, including himself. Multiple airline pilots in the airliners.net forums have been discussing these possibilities and they seem to agree that all of these things can be performed by a single pilot, in a few minutes time, entirely from the cockpit. The ghost plane then flew the programmed route until running out of fuel.<p>While this is certainly bizarre, unlikely, and hard to fathom, I posit that it is the least unlikely scenario, because it can be done entirely by one person whose motives we don&#x27;t understand. Historically, there have been many people who have done bizarre, horrendous things for motives we can&#x27;t begin to understand - whether due to insanity, sociopathy or zealotry. I truly hope I&#x27;m wrong, but I just can&#x27;t see a grand multinational hijacking conspiracy as being more likely than a sad man wishing to end his sad life in an evil way.<p>If you&#x27;re thinking of replying to this with your own theory, let me just add that I say all of this not to add flame to the fire of speculation, or to accuse a potentially innocent man of mass murder, but to try and finally put the whole thing to rest in my own mind - I seem to have been rather obsessed with the whole story over the past few days. While the past week has been a flurry of information and misinformation, it&#x27;s quite likely we will never know what happened to MH370, at least not for a very long time. We need to find the explanations for ourselves that allow us to come to peace with the incident personally, so that we can collectively move on at some point.
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jonahabout 11 years ago
How was this known? Do changes get relayed back?
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ccarpentergabout 11 years ago
<i>Maldives island residents report sighting of &#x27;low flying jet&#x27;</i><p>Source: <a href="http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.haveeru.com.mv&#x2F;news&#x2F;54062</a>
e28etaabout 11 years ago
I wonder if the other 3-4 satellite keep-alive transmissions would narrow down the potential area any?
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andrewriceabout 11 years ago
So is mechanical failure still in play?
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