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What if you didn't need money or attention?

395 pointsby bjcubsfanabout 11 years ago

67 comments

k2enemyabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;ve been reading about stoicism lately (the ancient philosophy, not the adjective for lack of emotion) and I think that practicing stoics have some nice tools to help people out with this.<p>One of the primary ways that stoics find tranquility is by &quot;wanting what you already have&quot; instead of &quot;wanting what you don&#x27;t have.&quot; Easier said than done, so they offer some tools to help, inluding negative visualization (imagining life without things you care about), only worrying about things you have control over, and occasionally denying yourself pleasures.<p>I&#x27;m not doing the subject justice, but here&#x27;s an easy to read book that condenses a lot of their ideas and applies them to modern life: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Good-Life-Ancient-Stoic/dp/0195374614/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Guide-Good-Life-Ancient-Stoic&#x2F;dp&#x2F;01953...</a>. And of course Wikipdeia: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Stoicism</a>
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ritchieaabout 11 years ago
I try to think this way. One thing I try to do is not work too much, so I had been freelancing trying to keep my hours to around 25 a week. It freed up time to do other things, I was learning to play guitar and working on some film scripts (I am using &quot;was&quot; because I decided to take on a full time programming gig until June but even this I didn&#x27;t take for the money, it&#x27;s way below market, I took the job because it sounded interesting).<p>One problem I encountered was people just not &quot;getting it.&quot; And I don&#x27;t mean random strangers, I mean potential clients. It&#x27;s oddly difficult to tell people &quot;I make enough money to support my lifestyle working 25 hours a week and I like to save the rest of my time for other projects that interest me.&quot; They expect you to be &quot;doing more&quot; or see you as lazy, after all why not make the most money you can possibly make at all times? When in fact I think I&#x27;m far less lazy than most people, I put a ton of effort into coding, educating myself, going the extra mile, working on projects for fun, reading technical books, going to talks. I&#x27;m also very serious about my pursuits beyond my programming &quot;day job.&quot; And yet I&#x27;ve found it difficult to convey that, and that clients consider me unserious because I was intentionally working less than 40 hours a week even if they are looking for someone for a part time role.
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dmlorenzettiabout 11 years ago
Given money enough, and time, I definitely have things I would work on (mostly developing numerical algorithms for solving physical modeling problems, and expressing them in software). Yet, paradoxically, I worry about being given unconditional money and time to work on them.<p>Occasionally my wife and I talk about my quitting work, and us moving to Thailand (her native country). Her vision of my ideal life there is that I wouldn&#x27;t have to work, and could sit around doing my pet projects without any time or money constraints.<p>That always strikes me as dangerous. Those projects I want to work on didn&#x27;t jump into my head unbidden. The ideas arose from years of coming to grips with real-world problems that don&#x27;t have entirely satisfactory solutions. If I untether myself from the work that led to the ideas I want to pursue, then where will the next ideas come from? And how will I know whether they are worth pursuing?<p>To me, having side projects that seem worth doing, especially from the point of <i>being useful to others</i> (Sivers&#x27; way of distinguishing what he means by &quot;not just relaxing&quot;), requires their being grounded in real-world projects. And one measure of the worth of real-world projects, like it or not, is that people are willing to pay to get them done.
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janjabout 11 years ago
I just finished a book about a man who has been living without money for over 10 years titled &quot;The Man Who Quit Money&quot;. It&#x27;s a different perspective on not needing money. Instead of having plenty of money this book is about a man who doesn&#x27;t need any money at all because he chooses not to need money, he lives outside of the money system. The title of this post seems to include men like Suelo, the subject of the book, but the content of the post seems to exclude people like this as it focuses on having more than enough money instead of not needing money.<p>The book does a great job describing the evolution of this man&#x27;s philosophy on living outside of the money system and what it has done for him. If at all interested I highly recommend it. Instead of trying to accumulate so much money you can&#x27;t imagine needing more a healthy alternative might be to focus on reducing your need for money.
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munificentabout 11 years ago
&gt; But what if you had so much money that you couldn&#x27;t possibly want any more?<p>There&#x27;s such a deeply narcissistic undercurrent here.<p>If you ever find yourself having too money money, what that means is you have too <i>few people who you are using your resources to help.</i><p>Being rich shouldn&#x27;t be, &quot;Well, I&#x27;ve got a yacht and a motorcycle, I guess I&#x27;m good!&quot; It should be, &quot;Ah I finally have enough to help X. If only I could get more and help Y as well.&quot; You aren&#x27;t rich enough until the whole world is rich with you.
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josefrescoabout 11 years ago
I hate these theoretical scenarios because my practical brain kicks in and I start asking questions like:<p>Do I have lots of money making money not important&#x2F;critical? Does everyone also not have to worry about money? Do my kids&#x2F;family also have the same &quot;money free&quot; existence as me? Am I able to travel without incurring any cost? If I do have tons of money, am I allowed to spend it on other people&#x2F;causes?<p>I don&#x27;t need attention so that&#x27;s not a concern, but the money issue is too complicated to simply take it out of the equation for me.<p>If I ignore my practical brain ... my priorities would be my kids, my wife, my immediate family and community in that order.<p>Spending time with my kids, making sure they have everything they need, most of what they want, and simply loving them (without being distracted by providing for them) would be the easiest and most gratifying part of not having to worry about money.<p>However being super-rich wouldn&#x27;t solve any of these issues for me as I would feel a great burdon to help those in need. If my family was taken care of, the logically extends to my community, and those around the world most in need (similar to Gates) What a nightmare to know that you have more money than anyone and are in the best position (besides governments) to help people. I don&#x27;t know how Bill sleeps at night.
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cottonseedabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;ve been thinking along these lines lately. I&#x27;ve never much cared for or been interested in attention. I&#x27;m totally comfortable with the fact I&#x27;m going to be forgotten. I&#x27;ve been very lucky and I don&#x27;t have to worry much about money. I&#x27;m about to finish school. What do I do next? I basically have two answers: (1) Entertain myself. Learn things because I curious. Work on things because I think they&#x27;re exciting or interesting, without worrying if they&#x27;re useful or valuable. (2) Try to make socially valuable contributions. How do I best put my skills to work for others? Free software is one good model here. I&#x27;ve been trying to learn about the non-profit model.<p>I&#x27;m very interested to hear other people&#x27;s thoughts.
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joyeuse6701about 11 years ago
Propose this to the homeless and the destitute and see what sort of responses one receives. This is a fun thought experiment for the privileged. As a kid this is what was beaten into the minds of the soon to graduate out of college &#x27;study what you love&#x27; they&#x27;d say. The idea was attractive to be sure.<p>But when it is about survival, when you don&#x27;t have a cushion, an infrastructure that will provide for you, this sort of thing isn&#x27;t an option, the rhetoric is really a sophistry. What one can glean from this is what many have already considered.<p>Make enough money, satiate yourself so that it&#x27;s no longer a need, and then you really do have the freedom to pick and choose and do what you want. It is a rare sort of situation and person that can do this from the beginning to the end of their lives.<p>Work comes out of a necessity, for many of us it is not something you simply change your mind on, and you&#x27;re suddenly free from the burden.<p>EDIT: spacing, wording
nine_kabout 11 years ago
Just my 2¢.<p>I personally don&#x27;t need piles of money. I could make 20% of what I&#x27;m making now, do what I love to do, and not feel strained. (Actually, I lived on much-much less.)<p>But I have a family to support, children to educate, etc, and <i>this</i> requires a lot of money. So yes, I&#x27;m looking for ways to make more money, like 10x, or even 100x of what I&#x27;m making now.<p>Also, unlike food, money does not cease to be useful in quantities you yourself cannot consume. I bet Bill Gates does not spend a million of his riches a day. The Gates Foundation possibly spends more, though—hopefully in a way Mr. Gates finds personally satisfying.
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rpearlabout 11 years ago
Check your privilege. Most people don&#x27;t <i>have</i> the opportunity to do what they love; they are just working to make ends meet. They don&#x27;t <i>have</i> the ability to fall back to something safe if they fail. If they do not have a job they will simply not survive. They aren&#x27;t looking to &quot;benefit others&quot; through their work, they just want to continue living.<p><a href="https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/01/in-the-name-of-love/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jacobinmag.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;01&#x2F;in-the-name-of-love&#x2F;</a>
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Zarkonnenabout 11 years ago
<i>checks Maslow&#x27;s hierarchy</i><p>Then you&#x27;d be focusing on self-actualisation. Lucky you.
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kstenerudabout 11 years ago
This post is a bit off.<p>Money is a tool, a form of power. You can desire power in order to accomplish things, or simply for the love of power.<p>Attention is something most people crave, and while it can provide a positive feedback loop of activity, it is not an end in and of itself.<p>But that&#x27;s not all there is to life. There is experience, exploration &amp; discovery, the act of creation, enrichment of the mind and body (knowledge and skill), service. Power can be used in order to accomplish these feats, and attention may result, but please keep them in their place lest they take ownership of you! A life spent pursuing them will soon leave you feeling empty.
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conductrabout 11 years ago
Impossible to answer this honestly until you&#x27;ve reached that point. More than likely you will discover a passion for something that currently does not exist in your life. Life is never ending learning, including who you are today and how you are different than yesterday.
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stcredzeroabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;m not so sure any normal human is free of the need for some kind of attention. To be kicked out of a group feels like death to us, because our mental machinery was formed to deal with a situation where it was often death. We value the regard of our peers because it&#x27;s actually a life and death resource to us.<p>That said, humans are pretty horrific, when it comes down to it. Not that many creatures do the things to their own species that humans do as often as we do with as much enthusiasm.
incisionabout 11 years ago
1.) Nurture my family.<p>2.) Enable people to educate themselves. Public libraries were essential in building the mindset and providing the place and materials for me to drag myself out of poverty.
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Killah911about 11 years ago
I would be doing EXACTLY what I am doing now. Spaceflight software, startups and tons of volunteering.<p>I was at a point in my life where I seriously had to ask myself this question quite seriously. After much grief, I&#x27;m in a very happy place now. Not necessarily pleasurable, but happy. I help startups get launched, dreams turn to reality &amp; I get to flex my geek muscles studying neuroscience and designing software that challenges me.<p>I realize that I am amongst the very lucky few. I recall the seriously hollow feeling. Being surrounded by stuff. I am fortunate enough to have friends (some billionaires) who surprisingly have not only dealt with this but have figured out some pretty awesome ways to live life without being an over the top Rap Star consumer. (which I unfortunately succumbed to for a while).<p>I have fewer cars, and other useless toys, but it&#x27;s wonderful being free. Doing things because you want to and doing things to be happy (again not to be confused with pleasure). To be honest, it really doesn&#x27;t take much to get there. You don&#x27;t even have to be a millionaire.<p>Here&#x27;s to doing... and realizing that the journey is the reward! Cheers to my fellow HNers looking beyond the bounds of modernism or most -isms.
kevandoabout 11 years ago
I can&#x27;t over emphasize the importance of this message!!!!!!!!!!!!<p>After college, I worked for a &#x27;prestigious&#x27; consulting firm and found immediate success in the perspective of my peers. Truthfully, I enjoyed it. That feeling faded quickly and the cubicle walls closed in and 13 months later I quit.<p>With no plan or direction, I moved back with my parents, who did not charge me rent and bought much of my food. In other words, I had nearly zero expenses with a stock pile of cash from my prior employer. I relaxed for 2 months before realizing that I could pretty much live this content life for like 25 years. $20k goes a long way with no expenses.<p>I started spending my time building websites for friends and found the work fascinating and completely rewarding. It&#x27;s that curiosity and fulfillment that I seek out in everything I do. I have since created a life for myself and the $20k in savings is long gone so money still drives me.<p>But at least I know what motivates me. I know what I&#x27;d do if I could do anything and that is an incredible gift.
theothermknabout 11 years ago
<i>&gt; Not just “sit around and do nothing”, because that&#x27;s still just relaxing. I mean after that, when you&#x27;re ready to be useful to others again.<p>What would you do then, if you didn&#x27;t need the money, and didn&#x27;t need the attention?<p>Yes, we need money to live. We need attention to live, too. </i><p>What&#x27;s interesting to me about that bit above is that it&#x27;s presented in this sort of homiletic style, as if it&#x27;s the distillation of experience down to some obvious and unquestionable core, but it&#x27;s pernicious in that it&#x27;s pure ideology.<p>&quot;[W]hen you&#x27;re ready to be useful to others again,&quot; does so much work in this regard. It frames entrepreneurship as <i>a service that is situated within a matrix of rational choices and utilitarian moral justification</i>. We do these things because they&#x27;re legitimately useful, they just happen to make us filthy rich. This wealth, however serendipitous and embarrassing it might be, is <i>also</i> justified by the actual utility it provides. Zuckerberg is wealthy because Facebook is an unquestionable force for good.<p>The author continues, framing entrepreneurs as, at worst, misguided persons who move from being accidentally useful to being purposefully useful; Persons temporarily blinded by their <i>universal needs</i> for attention and money. Never mind the problem of defining exactly how much attention and money one needs--to say nothing of security and nutrition, arguably up for purchase, or love, validation, and a sense of growth, arguably not up for purchase--to...live? Survive? Get by? Flourish? Never mind all that, once that&#x27;s taken care of, entrepreneurs like the author can now get back to their innately good core of, from the author&#x27;s tagline, &quot;mak[ing] useful things, and shar[ing] what [we] learn.&quot;<p>Look, fundamentally, entrepreneurs exist to get rich. The &quot;problems&quot; they &quot;solve&quot; are chosen for their profitability, and the rhetoric about utility is just a way to colonize the discourse and deflect attention from the obvious avarice of it all. On the level of manipulation, the level of stopping the hoi polloi from rising up and strangling you, it makes sense; Anyone too stupid to see they&#x27;re, for example, making their personal lives worse with Facebook so that Zuckerberg can sell ads, isn&#x27;t going to have the discretion or wisdom to run an economy after any misguided revolt, no matter how apparently justified.<p>As a means for understanding our own motivations and desires, our relationships to the game of Capitalism, these are the guilt-addled ramblings of emotionally crippled narcissists. Basic self-awareness demands that we do better.
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edw519about 11 years ago
<i>when you&#x27;re ready to be useful to others again.</i><p>Again?<p>You just nailed the problem.<p>If everything you did was for others, then this discussion (and many like it) wouldn&#x27;t even make sense.<p>You wouldn&#x27;t &quot;get burned out&quot;, &quot;lose purpose&quot;, &quot;get stressed out&quot;, &quot;worry about competition&quot;, &quot;procrastinate&quot;, or &quot;lack motivation&quot;.<p>If your work, your art, or just your day-to-day activities were focused on delivering value to others, you&#x27;d be too busy having a ball and rejoicing in outcomes to worry about all this other stuff. And anyone who tells you otherwise (but we gotta eat first!), still doesn&#x27;t get it.<p>Thanks, OP, for reminding us that as soon as we&#x27;re not so full of ourselves, and understand our role as conduits of energy, the sooner everything else flows so nicely.
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tluyben2about 11 years ago
OP is right in that you should at least do this experiment about the money as entrepreneur. If you had all the money in the world would you still be building what you are building? I have come to believe that if the answer is no that I am doing the wrong thing. Everything must at least be building toward what I think I need to do in life and that doesn&#x27;t mean only making money to do them but activily working on it as well. It makes me very happy and I think it would do that to more people if they would follow that principle.
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ef47d35620c1about 11 years ago
I would spend more time helping others understand that life is difficult and that we are impermanent. If we stop and think about why we feel unhappy, angry, insecure or afraid then we can understand and remove the cause.<p>We long for the past or we hope for the future and in doing so, we rush through the now. Stop. Breath. Be human. Life is more than your job. You job is impermanent. You are impermanent. Your health or the people you love may be gone tomorrow.
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jmspringabout 11 years ago
California native, I would continue the explorations I&#x27;ve started. Given it is investigating history, potentially out of the way areas, attention can come later in recognition of or absorption of collected<p>Specifically, I would spend multiple weeks&#x2F;months in:<p>1. Death Valley (friends and I already spend a week or so a year hear for the last several years) - we always find something new; plus literature leads to additional areas to explore 2. Highway 49, the gold country. A lot of the sierras have been built up, but there is a lot of history along Hwy 49 still to be uncovered and shared. Throw in sightseeing with tramping, appropriately timed folk songs, a lot could be learned -- for recent concerns, I would coordinate w&#x2F; those in Nevada City helping w&#x2F; the recently deceased folk hero Utah Phillips 3. Exploring rural Big Sur&#x2F;Fort Hunter Liggett. This is my current back door. Big Sur is where we go to get away, but during the high season it is over run. There are nuggets to explore, but we have missed them during the crush.<p>These are just three very CA oriented segments. Specifics on any of which you can send me a PM about.
petercooperabout 11 years ago
<i>You know that feeling you have after a big meal? Where you&#x27;re so full that you really actively don&#x27;t want anything more?</i><p>I&#x27;ve often wondered what&#x27;s going on in this situation because it&#x27;s not always due to literally being &#x27;full&#x27;. If you could package up that feeling (hormones, chemicals, whatever&#x27;s causing it) and sell it in pill form, you would be the richest person on the planet..
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_kulteabout 11 years ago
It&#x27;s interesting, because my first impression is that stoicism is more of a virtue for someone like Derek than someone who has yet to, for lack of a better phrasing, make as tangible, substantive dent or mark or whatever in the universe, i.e. myself. However, reading Sam Soffes&#x27; blog post last night where he states his deep dissatisfaction with his accomplishments to date (Cheddar, SSToolkit, Seesaw, elusive internet fame), it makes me think that I&#x27;ll never be happy even after achieving larger goals.<p>From my current point of view, which will no doubt change, stoicism kind of seems pointless insofar as people, for at least the past couple hundred years, have had an intrinsic desire&#x2F;need to feel important. It&#x27;s what motivates us to do ANYTHING, not just start a universe-changing company, or achieve lofty goals in open source, or to become rich, but it motivates our everyday interactions with people we encounter for any reason. Dale Carnegie has a nice discussion of this phenomenon in &#x27;How to Win Friends and Influence People&#x27;.
Taekabout 11 years ago
&quot;Many of my friends are entrepreneurs. A few have mentioned this deep hollow conflicted feeling. Their business ideas are not things the world wants. They&#x27;re following the current tech entrepreneur stereotype, building social apps and pursuing investors. They&#x27;re hating it, and having to admit they&#x27;re doing it only for the jackpot. But if they stop, what&#x27;s left?&quot;<p>For me, that&#x27;s exactly why I&#x27;m starting a company instead of going somewhere like Google. I&#x27;m not in it to hit the jackpot, I&#x27;m in it to make a lasting impact on the world and the way that we use technology. At this stage (early), it feels like I&#x27;m actually trying something useful. I feel like I have a purpose, and it&#x27;s a more satisfying source of motivation than a potential jackpot.<p>I&#x27;d be interested to see Elon Musk weigh in on this. Hitting the financial jackpot seems very far from his mind. He said himself, his goal is to die as a resident of Mars, and the rest is just trying to pay the bills so he can fund his dream.
dperfectabout 11 years ago
Not sure who said it, but &quot;our greatest reason for being is to serve others.&quot;<p>Even an atheist must admit that there&#x27;s a certain satisfaction that comes from helping other people (even anonymously) that really has no limit.<p>Go out and help make the world a better place - not out of a hope for reward or recognition... just for fun. It&#x27;s addictive.
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midas007about 11 years ago
Toiling in anonymity is something I enjoy. Privacy is priceless.
DanielBMarkhamabout 11 years ago
After reading a recommendation for the book &quot;A Guide to the Good Life&quot; on HN, I reviewed it on a hacker site I have. Stoics throughout history been some of the best-equipped for finding joy in life, which is one of the reasons their methods have been taken by so many others.<p>When you&#x27;re dealing with these issues, stoicism is highly recommended.<p>BTW, on the target page you can read hacker reviews from most of the other major sites, my review, and a bunch of other stuff. The site was a project I completed so that I didn&#x27;t have to describe the same books over and over again on HN (So apologies for not diving into a huge amount of detail here) :)<p><a href="http://hn-books.com/Books/A-Guide-to-the-Good-Life-The-Ancient-Art-of-Stoic-Joy.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hn-books.com&#x2F;Books&#x2F;A-Guide-to-the-Good-Life-The-Ancie...</a>
ahomescu1about 11 years ago
&gt; Many of my friends are entrepreneurs. A few have mentioned this deep hollow conflicted feeling. Their business ideas are not things the world wants. They&#x27;re following the current tech entrepreneur stereotype, building social apps and pursuing investors. They&#x27;re hating it, and having to admit they&#x27;re doing it only for the jackpot. But if they stop, what&#x27;s left?<p>I feel like this article is ignoring rich entrepreneurs who do use their wealth for far more interesting and&#x2F;or useful things. First example that comes to mind: Elon Musk. Could he have made SpaceX or Tesla without first getting rich? Probably not. I think it&#x27;s worthwhile to struggle to get rich, if you plan to use that monetary wealth to invest in more long-term plans.
enscrabout 11 years ago
You are missing the peer pressure part. Even if you don&#x27;t need money &amp; don&#x27;t need attention, people won&#x27;t let you live being content. The greed for money+attention, in my view, are the biggest vices. Unfortunately, they also drive growth &amp; innovation.
amerkhalidabout 11 years ago
It is funny that I have been thinking about this a lot lately too. In fact, my latest blog post deals with this question a bit.<p>I used to think that one should first make millions. Then retire and then work on fun projects. I used to work on side projects that can generate income like freelancing or become business like social networks. Initially, these projects would be fun. I would essentially work on my side projects during any free time. Then I would get burned and take a break from side projects. And soon I would start all over again.<p>Now my goals are to work on side projects that really interest me, with or without money part. So I am writing, reading non-technical books, reading up on Big Data, AI, and my new hobby, playing with Arduino.
ThomPeteabout 11 years ago
I have always said no matter whether I am rich or poor the thing I will enjoy most in life is hanging with friends and drink a glass of wine. The only thing that will vary is the price of the wine.<p>But there is a very big difference between this being a choice or a realization you make at one point in your life vs having to accept the situation you are in.<p>For people like Sivers, me and I guess most other fairly successful people this kind of insight and choice is a luxury we have.<p>I am always reminded that Dalai Lama is only capable of doing what he does and sound so insightful as he does because he doesn&#x27;t have to worry about day to day things.<p>Try getting married, earn a living and have a couple of kids.<p>Lifes complicated and for most people a struggle.
ajcarpy2005about 11 years ago
&quot; Many of my friends are entrepreneurs. A few have mentioned this deep hollow conflicted feeling. Their business ideas are not things the world wants. They&#x27;re following the current tech entrepreneur stereotype, building social apps and pursuing investors. They&#x27;re hating it, and having to admit they&#x27;re doing it only for the jackpot.&quot;<p>It seems like a lot of time and economic resources go towards creating things the world doesn&#x27;t want. Some of this is just a part of competition and maybe people didn&#x27;t think they wanted it until they saw it and tried it. There&#x27;s some truth to it too though...short term gain is often more attractive than long term.
rgloverabout 11 years ago
Without a doubt: education. Specifically, my dream is to open a series of public, alternative schools where children are educated about existentialism, their role in the universe, and helping them to understand that most limits in life are artificial and made up (and ultimately to embrace creativity and harness it for good).<p>I haven&#x27;t quite pinned it down, but I&#x27;d like the curriculum to be project-based with a handful of field trips peppered in for perspective (alternative being the keyword, with things like working at a homeless shelter for a day, spending time with an elderly &quot;mentor&quot;, picking out something they want to see, etc.)<p>One day.
alexvrabout 11 years ago
That&#x27;s when you become Elon Musk and actually change the world. But if we&#x27;re talking about like $5M, enough to retire quite comfortably, I&#x27;d just experiment and not worry what others think of what I do&#x2F;create.
ca98am79about 11 years ago
If anyone would like to explore themselves at a deeper level, to try to really understand the roots of these cravings, I highly recommend Vipassana meditation. They offer free 10-day courses, where you don&#x27;t read or write or talk at all the entire time. You just meditate, and they teach you to meditate. It doesn&#x27;t have any religious or political affiliation - it&#x27;s like boot camp for meditation. It&#x27;s truly awesome, and gives you the opportunity for true, real personal growth. You can read more about it at dhamma.org
runevaultabout 11 years ago
I swear, there are times when Derek puts up a post and I wonder if he&#x27;s in my head seeing what I need to see at a given moment. It&#x27;s eery, but damned handy too.
jwmozabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;d do what Tom does <a href="http://instagram.com/myspacetom" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;instagram.com&#x2F;myspacetom</a>
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markovblingabout 11 years ago
Very difficult to reconcile because, in my own experience at least, I get across the board better results if I almost &quot;trick&quot; myself into feeling I <i>need</i> whatever I&#x27;m working towards.<p>What&#x27;s weird to come to terms with is that the self-hypnosis of psyching yourself into working really hard has by definition succeeded when you no longer need it.
davidwabout 11 years ago
Then I&#x27;d be in shape, out enjoying my bicycle in the local hills, have a lot more time for my kids and wife, and computer time would probably just be &quot;fooling around with open source stuff&quot; - I do enjoy programming so I would not want to give it up. Sounds nice, I&#x27;d like to sign up.
Jack000about 11 years ago
Last week I quit my job of 3 years to travel. The plan is to stay at a different city each month.<p>I&#x27;ve been told &quot;Isn&#x27;t it risky to give up such a well paying job&quot;. Well it seems to me the real risk is to sit in a beige box for 10 years and have little other experiences besides work and vacation.
greghinchabout 11 years ago
There are a lot of things in life which are better than money, and they&#x27;re all <i>very, very</i> expensive
myth_drannonabout 11 years ago
Similar to Erich Fromm quote: &quot;If I am what I have and if I lose what I have who then am I?&quot;
zk00006about 11 years ago
To get to point when you don&#x27;t need more money is not that hard. But it certainly depends how much you want. In the end you have one hamburger for lunch anyway [Bill Gates]. Attention is trickier. It brings more power, but also more social pressure.
nsxwolfabout 11 years ago
How many people really need or want attention? I somehow know that nothing I have ever done or will do would ever earn me any attention, so it must be the case that I don&#x27;t need it or I&#x27;d be very unhappy right now.<p>Is this a Silicon Valley thing?
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hackluckabout 11 years ago
Amen! Agreed. I always like thinkers that challenge the unexamined life and its motivations. It gives you something to think about and just enough motivation to question why you are doing what you are doing-- and make a change.
ironhideabout 11 years ago
My life would be more like a star trek character beamed to an undeveloped planet.<p>Picard - &quot;People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of &#x27;things&#x27;. We have eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions.&quot;
spiritplumberabout 11 years ago
If I didn&#x27;t need money or attention I would do roughly what I do now. I consider that a great blessing.<p>Find a job you love and keep enough distance to not grow to hate it, and that&#x27;s half a recipe for happiness right there.
Mzabout 11 years ago
Funny&#x2F;ironic: I&#x27;m actually already doing the stuff I believe in ... and trying to figure out how to monetize it, which requires me to figure out how to get traffic (aka &quot;attention&quot;).
cykhoabout 11 years ago
I think most great hackers (and hacks) are driven by curiosity. Things that have the highest expected value for returning money&#x2F;attention are usually boring.
neumannabout 11 years ago
Significant changes to one&#x27;s life, such as deaths, sickness, and births tend to pull people&#x27;s perspective on this direction (at least temporarily).
FollowSteph3about 11 years ago
Pure R&amp;D without the need for profit. That gives you whole classes of problems you can look. Especially longer term and higher risk projects
loisaidasamabout 11 years ago
&quot;Be content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you.&quot;<p>-Lao Tzu
tdees40about 11 years ago
In the words of the poet Philip Larkin, we&#x27;re all &quot;stumbling up the stair&#x2F;into fulfillment&#x27;s desolate attic.&quot;
tim333about 11 years ago
Dunno. I inherited money and have been in roughly that position for much of my life. Try to have fun and make stuff that&#x27;s cool?
hownottowriteabout 11 years ago
<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7414767" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7414767</a>
chippyabout 11 years ago
Goes against the Protestant Work Ethic. This states that to be a good person you have do be diligent and work hard.
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andretti1977about 11 years ago
Money, attention...these should be side-effects in living a good life. So simple, so true.
iopqabout 11 years ago
I would browser hacker news or reddit all day. It&#x27;s quite stimulating
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tegeekabout 11 years ago
When you realize you&#x27;ve enough of everything, you are truly rich.
adamzernerabout 11 years ago
It&#x27;s a cliche idea, but it was articulated really well here.
outside1234about 11 years ago
i feel so fortunate that i can truly say, that for me, one of those things is software.<p>i really would do this for nothing.<p>(don&#x27;t tell my boss)
EGregabout 11 years ago
I feel afraid for that pigeon
graycatabout 11 years ago
Likely you&#x27;d be dead!
_sabe_about 11 years ago
I hate compliments. I become uncomfortable when people say nice things to me because I don&#x27;t know if they are sarcastic or not. Probably because I&#x27;m never satisfied with my own results always thinking about how I could have done it better.<p>Secondly I hate everything material, even so money. I make just enough money to pay the bills and other essentials, but if someone I know even remotely would ask me for $100 I would never ever think about getting it back.<p>No one else who can relate to this?
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a3voicesabout 11 years ago
You would probably spend your time writing blog posts criticizing other successful people [1], or invading small peninsulas like Crimea.<p>[1] <a href="http://blog.pmarca.com/2014/03/18/when-carl-icahn-ran-a-company-the-story-of-twa/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.pmarca.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;18&#x2F;when-carl-icahn-ran-a-comp...</a>
notastartupabout 11 years ago
Become a race car driver but nobody is hiring&#x2F;