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Working Ridiculously Long Hours is a Sign that Something is Wrong

79 pointsby USNetizenabout 11 years ago

11 comments

stickhandleabout 11 years ago
I find the <i>Work Smarter, Not Harder</i> meme a little tiresome. How &#x27;bout this - Work Smarter <i>AND</i> Harder. Focus on outputs as the only thing to brag about. Hours put in rarely impresses anyone of significance. Its about the output. <i>Work Smarter, Not Harder</i> is condescension masked as process advice. The truth of the matter is you need to put in the time (read: harder) to get good at just about anything. Only then is <i>smarter</i> an option, but drop the <i>harder</i> at your peril.
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swampthingabout 11 years ago
For what it&#x27;s worth, I don&#x27;t think working long hours and sleep deprivation are synonymous, as this blog post assumes. You can easily work 10 hours a day (70 hours a week), sleep 8 hours a night, and still have 6 hours left over. Assume 3 hours for meals, hygeine, exercise, you&#x27;re still left with 3 for commute and leisure.<p>As an aside, I don&#x27;t know if it&#x27;s true for early-stage startups that &quot;processes make or break your business&quot;. That might be true for large, mature companies, but it seems prima facie false for early-stage startups.
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D9uabout 11 years ago
John Carmack used to put in marathon sessions coding asm for DOOM... As with many other successful people, sometimes the work just flows and you forget about things such as time.<p>Could it be that those failing are failing because their ideas are just not as great as they had imagined?
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polskibusabout 11 years ago
While I agree with other opinions on this article that this is only an ad for consulting, I think that we should understand that ridic-long-hours is not scalable.<p>If you really want to help your company grow, you should not be taking as much load as possible onto yourself because you will quickly become the bottleneck. You should care about spreading the load as evenly as possible. On HN many of us understand the obstacles to software scalability, yet when it comes to people scalability we tend to ignore those observations.
larrysabout 11 years ago
While I might tend to agree with this based on the less than approx. 2 years in my life that I worked for someone else, as an entrepreneur where you have to cover so many bases, and work hard to create opportunity, I don&#x27;t agree based on my experience. (Especially if you are bootstrapping.)<p>I can tie many of the things that I have today to the wide net I cast in earlier years and the excess hours I put in trying different things until something stuck (many years later in a few cases). Forget vacations and weekends. That was for me. You may be different and be able to pull it off with less hours.<p>This blanked &quot;smarter not harder&quot; is just that. It&#x27;s a blanket statement that could be correct in some cases and not in others. So it is essentially worthless. Do you know if it applies to you? Sure many years later you will. Do you want to take that chance? I didn&#x27;t and I&#x27;m glad I didn&#x27;t.<p>Otoh when I worked for someone else many years ago I was always amazed at how people would eat lunch in their cars and schedule really early meetings which I felt were counterproductive (given the amount you stood to gain in that particular situation). But even in this case it&#x27;s a total YMMV.<p>So my advice is to work hard and work many hours if you are an entrepreneur and need to try to get a business to work or keep working. If you are doing something else (programming) that may not be the case. Remember what PG said about &quot;staying alive&quot;. What if he had cut back and hadn&#x27;t had something to sell? We wouldn&#x27;t be reading HN today would we?<p>One last example. I learned Unix&#x27;s in the 80&#x27;s while running my own business in my spare time which led to being able to do many things on the net in the 90&#x27;s. Had I not put in those hours (and it was working by the way) I would not have been able to take advantage of some of the things that I did.<p>Of course if you can&#x27;t work hard for some reason (health, family etc.) than you can&#x27;t. So there is nothing to discus. And you have to accept that fact.
ams6110about 11 years ago
Nice ad for business process consulting services.
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mutehabout 11 years ago
This article is nonsensical. Using a study that says that 24 hours without sleep is bad to say that only getting 7 hours of sleep is bad? Please... The Jeff Archibald post that&#x27;s linked to is actually good. Yes, all these amazing people did work really long hours, but (for the most part) they didn&#x27;t brag about it, and you can bet that they were looking very carefully at how they spent their time.
stretchwithmeabout 11 years ago
Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn&#x27;t. We are less creative when we don&#x27;t get enough sleep and focus too long on a problem.<p>How often we get into a state of flow is probably a better predictor of how productive our time is, not whether we spend six or twelve hours at it.
peponabout 11 years ago
Yeah, go and tell Elon Musk or Steve Jobs to raise SpaceX, Tesla, Apple and so on with this &quot;4 hour week&quot;...
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steliosabout 11 years ago
This brings to mind a comment by Elon Musk: <a href="http://youtu.be/4Fl9LRgG3_A?t=1m35s" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;4Fl9LRgG3_A?t=1m35s</a>
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michaelochurchabout 11 years ago
Here&#x27;s a strange thought. We tend to assume that people working the most hours are the most dedicated to the project. That&#x27;s sometimes true, but is it always valid? Maybe most of the people who seem to be working the longest hours are the ones planning for it to fail.<p>When people are engaged and things are going well, people get a lot done. Sometimes, that involves longer-than-usual hours and sometimes it doesn&#x27;t. But for the purpose of honesty, it&#x27;s worth staging that long hours <i>are</i> sometimes a sign of something good-- a lot of opportunity.<p>However, it can mean the opposite. When a team or project or company is in trouble and it looks like failure is imminent, people ramp up the hours, not because they think it will prevent failure, but because they don&#x27;t want to be blamed, sacrificed, demoted or fired when things go wrong enough for the knives to come out. When things go to shit, the people thrown overboard first are the ones who seem to be suffering the least.<p>When someone&#x27;s working a lot because he&#x27;s engaged and loves the work, that&#x27;s not a bad sign. When people are visibly competing on hours, that means (to me) that they expect the project to fail. It looks like the opposite, but it&#x27;s actually a vote of no confidence. As often as it means anything else, a person putting in long hours means, &quot;I&#x27;m shoring up my image for the inevitable political fight, because shit&#x27;s about to get nasty&quot;.<p>There&#x27;s more to that picture. The best people, when they see what&#x27;s happening, tend to disengage a bit and start thinking about other opportunities. Working 60+ hour weeks when the &quot;prize&quot; is an inferior version of the job they formerly had, that just doesn&#x27;t appeal to them. They&#x27;d rather get away, and while they&#x27;re putting themselves at some higher-than-normal risk of getting canned, by <i>not</i> competing on hours, they already have exit strategies in place. The ones who stick around tend to be, more often than not, the mediocre and political people.