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Mozilla Moving Forward

175 pointsby tweakzabout 11 years ago

23 comments

natural219about 11 years ago
I&#x27;m still mad about the Brendan Eich thing. Like, <i>mad</i>. I&#x27;m totally fine with anybody pursuing whatever kind of political agenda they want, but at the moment you start to derail <i>real</i> progress, the moment you attack one of the best organizations who has literally been busting its ass for the last decade to change the world for no profit...<p>Well, you declared war. I think this whole debacle should be a rallying cry that we&#x27;re not going to accept this kind of bullying anymore.<p>The worst part is, the progressive platform has some really important things to say about the way we live. We&#x27;re not an equal society yet. We still have more changes we need to make to secure the freedom and happiness of everybody, especially groups that have been historically marginalized.<p>All the more reason to shut down the bullies who have domineered the narrative, produced nothing but useless bickering, and have sought nothing but divisiveness at every turn in the everlasting quest for more pageviews. I&#x27;m looking at you, Gawker.<p>Don&#x27;t tolerate this any more. Brendan Eich was just one casualty. It&#x27;s time to start sticking up for ourselves.
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jvehentabout 11 years ago
People who are going to comment on this blog post need to realize how disturbing this episode has been for Mozillians.<p>We are talking about a small group of people, a couple thousands at best, that work with limited resources to keep the web open for everybody.<p>When this tidal wave hit Mozillians, the base contributors and employees who spend most of their days in code and features, we lost focus of our work, and stepped into a world of politics that most of us dislike, and are uncomfortable to navigate.<p>I believe Chris Beard is a true Mozillian, as is Brendan Eich. And I am glad that we can refocus on our mission, and move forward. I just wish people can put their differences aside, accept each other&#x27;s beliefs, and share code!
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rebelidealistabout 11 years ago
There is a stark contrast with how Drew Houston of Dropbox defended Condi Rice vs Mozilla&#x27;s lack of effort in defending someone that instrumental part of what Mozilla is today.<p><a href="https://blog.dropbox.com/2014/04/our-commitment-to-your-rights-and-privacy/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.dropbox.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;our-commitment-to-your-righ...</a><p>His pointed response is short and stern. &quot;We’re honored to have Dr. Rice join our board&quot;<p>Mozilla&#x27;s was apologetic.<p>&quot;We didn’t act like you’d expect Mozilla to act. We didn’t move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We’re sorry. We must do better.&quot;<p>If Drew is the chairman of Mozilla, he would said. &quot;In 16 years that Eich was in leadership position in Mozilla, he welcomed and worked with everyone with different personal beliefs, religious values, and sexual orientation. We are honored to have the creator of Javascript as our CEO&quot;. End of story.
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grejabout 11 years ago
To me, one of the saddest things about this whole episode was the fact that Brendan Eich was a true technical leader. His contributions literally helped create and define the modern internet. I believe he was well positioned to help move Mozilla beyond simply being a browser company&#x2F;nonprofit org, and advance the Mozilla mission of bringing openness and innovation to the web.<p>Rust, ASM.js, and Firefox OS are some of the biggest projects at Mozilla and are critical areas that have to be executed well for Mozilla to gain traction in the mobile device world and beyond. I thought that Brendan Eich&#x27;s background uniquely qualified him to guide Mozilla over the next few years in maturing these technologies into something that can help disrupt the trend of &quot;walled-garden&quot; web ecosystems. I was and still am really rooting for Mozilla to succeed in these efforts, because the web needs them to. Sadly Brendan Eich is now gone from Mozilla and along with him goes a wealth of knowledge, history, and experience that would undoubtedly have helped advance the cause of a free and open internet.<p>All that said, I don&#x27;t know as much about Chris Beard&#x27;s history as I did Brendan&#x27;s, and I don&#x27;t know if he can provide the same level of technical leadership in these areas that Brendan Eich could have. I suppose we will find out. I remain hopeful, but not yet optimistic.
hackuserabout 11 years ago
Mozilla&#x27;s mission is vital and they have been very successful overall. Much of the credit must belong to Mitchell Baker, Brendan Eich, and others who led the organization until now but I&#x27;m starting to be concerned about the leadership&#x27;s future, a future that is important to everyone -- I&#x27;d much rather lose almost any software company than lose Mozilla.<p>* Why do they appear to have difficulty finding a long-term CEO? Appointing the founder&#x2F;CTO (edit: and after a long search and many short-term leaders) raises the possibility that either they couldn&#x27;t find a willing external candidate or that there was conflict between the founders and the board. Which leads to ...<p>* Why do they appear to have difficulty finding board members? Even 5 seemed too few for such an important non-profit; to have 3 resign with only 1 replacement ready seems alarming.<p>* The PR of Eich&#x27;s appointment, transition, and the political issue was poorly managed; Mozilla looked badly managed and the brand was damaged. The image of the organization is a responsibility for the CEO and, when hiring a new CEO, for the board. Even if the political issue never arose, losing a 3 of 5 board members when a new CEO is appointed looks bad no matter what public explanations are given. The appearance was that only 2 people supported the new CEO and one was his co-founder (again, appearances can be deceiving but managing them is essential).<p>These signs look worrying to me, but you&#x27;ll notice that I wrote a lot about appearances -- I don&#x27;t know the inside of Mozilla (I&#x27;ve participated at a low level for many years and have a sense of the culture and a few personalities, but that&#x27;s all) nor do I know how to run a major non-profit or major open source project. Maybe someone here knows more.
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finder83about 11 years ago
I&#x27;m still rather disappointed in Mozilla&#x27;s handling of the issue. I&#x27;ve since gone back to using Chrome, and away from thunderbird as well. Free speech is important to me; more important even than using and supporting open source software, which is pretty important to me. Someone&#x27;s personal life, and their professional life, should be able to be kept separate, and the fact that they dragged out his political support of Proposition 8 into his professional life is a clear violation of free speech. If the issue were so important, why did they choose him as CEO in the first place? Instead, they created an obvious and blatant attack against his character for his own beliefs which had absolutely nothing to do with his day to day work, particularly given that he was a great leader, technologist, and could have brought Mozilla to the next step technologically.<p>Would I support a member of the KKK, or any other known &quot;hate&quot; group? It is their right of speech, and they are still free to have it, so long as it is not in a manner of defamation (such as slander, or libel), which looks much more like how Mozilla responded.
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nsxwolfabout 11 years ago
Most importantly, Chris Beard has correct views on today&#x27;s political hot button issues.
SethMurphyabout 11 years ago
I tweeted in praise of Mozilla&#x27;s support of the web a few days after he resigned and was asked in a response if Mozilla helped support my preferred bigotry. While I don&#x27;t disagree with the criticism of Brendan Eich, it has gone a little far when my praise of Mozilla&#x27;s support of the open web got me labeled a bigot (IMHO I am not). Making a correlation like this is wrong and can only hurt even a good cause.
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pvnickabout 11 years ago
Unfortunately, the reality is that one of the first questions they probably asked Chris when vetting him for interim CEO is &quot;Are you or have you ever been an opponent of same-sex marriage?&quot;
Xdesabout 11 years ago
Time to see Chris Beard&#x27;s track record for contributions.
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gojomoabout 11 years ago
&quot;Moving Forward&quot; is my least favorite management euphemism.
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drawkboxabout 11 years ago
This is a pretty massive change.<p>Eich was technology&#x2F;standards focused. Someone from the product&#x2F;marketing side is ok as long as they get Mozilla is really a technology product company (business and marketing is easier when technology&#x2F;products are the base focus and you don&#x27;t lose developers targeting the platform).<p>I am a little concerned that a switch was flipped at Mozilla when the former Chief Marketing Officer is now CEO over the CTO previously. Granted the new CEO has been around the company a while and oversaw Firefox is helpful, I just hope they keep the technology&#x2F;standards as their base focus. I feel many of the things I love Mozilla for, asm.js most recently, may not be as focused as before. Also, I lost a ton of respect for Mozilla for throwing a founder under the bus.
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ender7about 11 years ago
Can anyone proffer an opinion on Chris Beard as the new CEO? Is he a good choice, or should this remain an interim position? I don&#x27;t know anything about him.
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ruggeriabout 11 years ago
I like how the board continues to take no responsibility for the situation they created. Right or wrong that Eich was fired, this was a foreseeable event; Eich&#x27;s prior contribution was well-known.<p>This whole thing really doesn&#x27;t make me feel good about Mitchell Baker or Reid Hoffman.
simbolitabout 11 years ago
also read: <a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/doc/2014/04/12/earth-to-mozilla-come-back-to-us/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.law.harvard.edu&#x2F;doc&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;12&#x2F;earth-to-mozilla...</a><p><a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7584900" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7584900</a><p>was on HN homepage earlier in the day.
coldteaabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;m against what happened to Brendan Eich too -- for the reasons it happened. His personals opinions and political ideas, even if he was a card-carrying NRA member slash confederate flag bearering bigot, should be his own.<p>But (and I&#x27;m only half kidding) I&#x27;m actually in favor of sacking him for his incompetence, for so many years, to bring bloody ES6 to a final standard and into our browsers.<p>When HTML5 progressed so fast in so few years, and things like CSS Animations, Canvas, WebGL, etc also moved on, heck, even when IE picked up steam, the glacial pace of Javascript looks really unacepptable, and a throwback to the bad old days of W3C dragging its feet.
adrianlmmabout 11 years ago
#uninstallfirefox
dredmorbiusabout 11 years ago
It makes solid sense for a company to choose a leader, the person who sets the tone and communicates to the public, partners, and stakeholders for it, who reflects the values of the organization and its stakeholders.<p>Mozilla stands, among other things, for freedom both online and off.<p>Eich certainly has technical chops, and has contributed, technically, to both Mozilla and the Web. There&#x27;s no doubt about that.<p>His personal values, as reflected through his public political actions, were an extremely poor fit. In his prior role as CTO this wasn&#x27;t as significant an issue (though it could likely have emerged eventually). As CEO there&#x27;s simply no question that they were polarizing and distracting to the extreme. <i>Especially</i> in light of how he addressed the controversy once it emerged.<p>Quite bluntly: he wasn&#x27;t up for the job.<p>I&#x27;m not saying this as a GLTBQ individual, or someone with an unblemished record myself on this (attitudes have changed tremendously over the several decades I&#x27;ve been aware that alternative sexual orientation is a thing) or other issues. It&#x27;s a reflection of contemporary moral values -- and I absolutely believe that there&#x27;s a large room for movement in such values.<p>If you want to reflect on that for a while, I&#x27;d recommend James Burke&#x27;s <i>The Day the Universe Changed</i>, which addresses beliefs. The first and last programmes in the series address this particularly episodes 1 and 10, which reflect specifically on how beliefs have changed over time.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Universe_Changed" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Day_the_Universe_Changed</a><p>If nothing else, this is a mark of just how far we&#x27;ve gone from beating up faggots for lols (not that this doesn&#x27;t still happen) -- even under cover of law (Stonewall and similar events), if not without sanction or consequence for those so engaged.<p>For those who are suggesting that Eich was singled out where others more deserving haven&#x27;t been: Mozilla proved itself to be more susceptible and responsive to moral suasion and pressure. There are plenty of companies (and other organizations) exhibiting poor moral character: Dropbox&#x27;s appointment of someone widely regarded as a war criminal to its board, ongoing boycotts against Chick-fil-A, growing actions against the Koch brothers and the industrial and political network they control, campaigns I recall against Nestle, Carl&#x27;s Jr., grape growers, and other causes.<p>The fact is that moral and market pressures <i>can</i> work, and in a world in which enterprises far too often disclaim all but the smallest shreds of moral responsibility, they&#x27;re often one of the few effective tools available.<p>So while I do feel a slight bit of sympathy toward Eich (he was caught up in changing times), I applaud the action and result.
xnameabout 11 years ago
Imagine: when they were looking for the next CEO, the first question was: does he&#x2F;she support gay-marriage?
exabrialabout 11 years ago
Bullying goes both ways. Hilarious how some people are trying to justify this.
moron4hireabout 11 years ago
I stopped using Firefox because it&#x27;s gotten really buggy in the last couple of months, not because Brendan Eich stupidly voiced his opinion in a debate he should have seen he was on the losing side of a long time ago.
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jackbauerabout 11 years ago
can&#x27;t understand why this story is ranked at 1
Mikeb85about 11 years ago
Well, Firefox is first of all quite inferior to Chrome. Worse JS performance, worse stability, worse interface and worse Cloud sync and features. The only reason to possibly use it was openness and their motto.<p>With them refusing to stand up for Brendan Eich and his right to his own personal opinions, which it&#x27;s clear he never brought to work with him, I no longer think they have any moral high ground. I know I&#x27;m done with Firefox, and none of this is good PR, and they were losing tons of market share before...