TE
TechEcho
Home24h TopNewestBestAskShowJobs
GitHubTwitter
Home

TechEcho

A tech news platform built with Next.js, providing global tech news and discussions.

GitHubTwitter

Home

HomeNewestBestAskShowJobs

Resources

HackerNews APIOriginal HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 TechEcho. All rights reserved.

In Bitcoin Debate, Larry Summers Sides with the History of Change

33 pointsby dfuegoabout 11 years ago

4 comments

sillysaurus3about 11 years ago
<i>Mr. Summers also notes that the existing system requires “enormous investment” in mitigating credit-card fraud</i><p>Or, worded differently, the existing system protects consumers victimized by fraud, whereas Bitcoin doesn&#x27;t (and won&#x27;t ever be able to reverse a fraudulent transaction).<p>Fraud protection is a good thing. We should be trying to figure out how to get it into Bitcoin. YC should fund a company that aims to protect consumers from the risks of Bitcoin. Something like &quot;trust us with your coins, and if we lose them, then this insurance company is guaranteed to pay you market rate for your losses.&quot;<p>I&#x27;ve been mulling over whether it&#x27;d be possible for Coinbase to get the equivalent of FDIC insurance. That would turn them from being &quot;it&#x27;s insane for anyone to trust you&quot; into &quot;you just became an <i>awesome</i> bank.&quot;<p>I can&#x27;t think of any choice for exchanges or webwallets: either get insurance or erode consumer faith in bitcoin. And since it&#x27;s so hard to get insurance, it&#x27;s likely that the first one who does will have a huge advantage over everyone else.<p>I have no idea whether it&#x27;s possible in practice to insure bitcoins on a large scale. I&#x27;m only saying that it&#x27;s absolutely needed, because it&#x27;s absolutely necessary for consumers to be able to trust <i>some</i> third-party service with their coins the way they trust a bank with their dollars. Either that, or make it trivial for people to manage their own coins as trivially as Coinbase does, which seems implausible.<p>When I point out that credit cards are superior to bitcoin from a consumer perspective, people sometimes counter with &quot;you pay for that with 2% higher merchant fees, etc.&quot; But that&#x27;s a small price to pay to guarantee you won&#x27;t suddenly be unable to pay your phone bill next month due to theft. I&#x27;ve mentioned before, but someone once stole my credit card and got gas with it. I called up the credit card company and within 10 minutes the transaction was refunded and I was issued a new card. It would be amazing if that could be the case with bitcoin via some kind of insurance plan. I wonder if it&#x27;s possible...
评论 #7677740 未加载
评论 #7677755 未加载
Ciottiabout 11 years ago
The headline seems somewhat editorialized for what Summers is actually saying, even as he is quoted in the article.<p>&gt; “I’m not ready to stand with those who are sure they have seen the future here,” he concludes, “but it seems to me that it’s a serious mistake to write this off as either ill-conceived or illegitimate.”
21echoesabout 11 years ago
&gt; To Mr. Summers, the potential contained in bitcoin’s breakthrough technology, with its fast, low-cost system for confirming transactions<p>any article that touts Bitcoin as &quot;low-cost&quot; is a joke. paying 3-5% transaction fees[1] via inflation is not any better than the 2-4% that credit cards charge. And soon the bitcoin protocol won&#x27;t have any coin left to mine, so this 3-5% will just be charged to consumers just like the existing networks, thanks to its baked-in gold-bug monetary policy. At least credit cards are instant, and the companies have good fraud monitoring...<p>not to mention the cost of the mining rigs, electricity they require, etc...<p>[1] <a href="http://blockchain.info/charts/cost-per-transaction-percent" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blockchain.info&#x2F;charts&#x2F;cost-per-transaction-percent</a>
评论 #7678702 未加载
ChrisGaudreauabout 11 years ago
Seems like a typical weird Centrist argument. I don&#x27;t think he really believes what he said; he&#x27;s just trying to sound reasonable. He&#x27;s basically saying &quot;in 20 years, things will not be like they are today. Thus, when somebody tells you X will change the world, and you say otherwise, you are on the wrong side of history.&quot;