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How a German Soda Became Hackers' Fuel of Choice

111 pointsby rizumuabout 11 years ago

31 comments

GFischerabout 11 years ago
Mate is the national drink here in Uruguay, has been for a century or two :) (and for 500 years in Paraguay).<p>And it was a fad in California some years past. (&quot;According to a major retailer of mate in San Luis Obispo, California, by 2004, mate had grown to about 5% of the overall natural tea market in North America&quot;)<p>But I&#x27;m surprised at the speed it&#x27;s propagating in Europe.<p>Many say it&#x27;s much better suited for prolonged concentration than coffee, almost every single university student here drinks it, so I&#x27;m not surprised that German hackers are taking advantage of its benefits too.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage)" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Mate_(beverage)</a><p>There&#x27;s a Congress on Yerba Mate and its health effects and benefits going on right now (from the 8th to today)<p><a href="http://www.infoyerbamate.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=119:congreso-sudamericano&amp;catid=80:novedades&amp;Itemid=496" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.infoyerbamate.com&#x2F;index.php?option=com_content&amp;vi...</a>
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_akabout 11 years ago
Club Mate is the only caffeinated soda that isn&#x27;t overly sweet, doesn&#x27;t give me a bad stomach and doesn&#x27;t make me jittery. The first time I had it was at a CCC event in 2002, and back then, it was really obscure. In the last 5 or so years though, it has became a staple in Berlin, and you can get it at practically every corner shop.
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greggmanabout 11 years ago
A lot of comments here seem to be equating various tea forms of mate with Club Mate. Club Mate is a soda as in it belongs on the self somewhere next to Coke and Red Bull. It&#x27;s got more caffeine than Coke but only about 1&#x2F;2 the sugar. I really liked it.<p>Tea made from mate is the same only in the sense that orange juice is similar to orange soda. As in they are arguably not really similar.<p>That&#x27;s not to say anything negative about mate based teas. I drink those too. Just that, if you go get Yerba Mate or any other mate tea you&#x27;re not drinking anything remotely similar to Club Mate.
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bshimminabout 11 years ago
&quot;The golden soda has become essential nourishment for anyone in Berlin involved in hacktivism, club culture, dance music, tech—just about everyone in the city under the age of 40.&quot;<p>What a ridiculous sentence.
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omnibrainabout 11 years ago
If there only was a sugar free variant. Having quit sugary sodas also meant having to overcome my Club Mate addiction. :(
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mch0licabout 11 years ago
It&#x27;s all lovely and shit, but once you hook up on Club Mate and leave Germany you feel quite damned. I feel the same about Savanna Dry (South African Sider) but in recent years they expanded the market quite dramatically hope germans will do the same :)
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deweyabout 11 years ago
I love Mate.<p>If you speak german there&#x27;s a great Chaosradio episode [0] about the different &quot;Hackerbrausen&quot; &#x2F; &quot;Hackersoda&quot; where they are talking about the history of Club Mate and other drinks in that genre.<p>[0] <a href="http://cre.fm/cre175-hackerbrausen" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cre.fm&#x2F;cre175-hackerbrausen</a>
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lispmabout 11 years ago
At the 30c3 there were Club Mate and Flora Power.<p>Flora Power is actually a bit better - not that sweet.<p><a href="https://twitter.com/zeitiger/status/416496391209644032/photo/1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;zeitiger&#x2F;status&#x2F;416496391209644032&#x2F;photo...</a>
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olssyabout 11 years ago
You can order it in North America from the 2600 store: <a href="http://store.2600.com/clubmate.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;store.2600.com&#x2F;clubmate.html</a><p>Funny there was no mention in the article that they are the eastern distributor what with them being a hacker organization with deep ties to the CCC.
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lispmabout 11 years ago
We also have a matekarte, which shows Mate availability world-wide:<p><a href="https://www.matekarte.de" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.matekarte.de</a><p>Various Mate brands:<p><a href="https://www.matekarte.de/brands" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.matekarte.de&#x2F;brands</a>
leocabout 11 years ago
The taste reminds me of fig newtons and Worcestershire sauce.
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cessorabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;d like to stress what the article says about the difference to other caffeinated drinks. I drink coffee a lot, since it is more easily available, but I prefer club mate if I can get some. For work it is much better than coffee. I tend to get very shaky and restless from coffee, my leg will start bouncing after a lot of programming (i.e. concentrated work periods in front of a computer). With mate the caffeine rush is much better, I stay more focussed and can concentrate more easily. I am not as restless. Yet it is possible to overdose. One bottle can last for hours, I bet the guy in the article could look through time after 10 bottles a day. If you can get it, try it!
kanwisherabout 11 years ago
I&#x27;ve never seen anyone drink that outside of berlin ...
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spupyabout 11 years ago
Didn&#x27;t know it&#x27;s that popular, especially among &quot;hackers&quot;. At work the Coca Cola crate gets empty faster than the Club Mate crate.
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TeMPOraLabout 11 years ago
Learned about when visiting LeineLab in Hanover, stuck with me forever since. At Hackerspace Kraków we go through a crate or two in a week, and this drink kept us through many sessions of night hacking.<p>Edit:<p>Re Club Mate being semi-official drink in Hackerspaces worldwide, see <a href="http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/The_Club_Mate_Pattern" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hackerspaces.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Club_Mate_Pattern</a> :).
Zigurdabout 11 years ago
I love German candor in product descriptions. Right on the label it says &quot;tanning agents.&quot; Mmmmm. Tannery. That hits the spot.
bananasabout 11 years ago
What happened to Vita Cola? Only drinkable thing from Germany :)<p>I have East German parents and they lived on that stuff until the wall came down.
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johnlbevan2about 11 years ago
There are also Yerba Mate beers out there: <a href="http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk/mateveza-black-lager" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.beersofeurope.co.uk&#x2F;mateveza-black-lager</a>
marsayabout 11 years ago
What&#x27;s with the url? <a href="http://www-refresh.vice-motherboard-test.appspot.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-refresh.vice-motherboard-test.appspot.com</a>
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ultrasandwichabout 11 years ago
Hear hear. I love the variety of mate sodas in Berlin too. Club Mate is like the OG, but 1337Mate is promising so far!
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schultklabout 11 years ago
Trader Joe&#x27;s, the American grocery chain, sells Yerba Mate tea, now, as well...it&#x27;s everywhere.
Orangeairabout 11 years ago
Is there any cheap place to buy this in the U.S.? I&#x27;ve wanted to try it for awhile, but I can&#x27;t justify spending three dollars a bottle at the 2600 store when I can get regular energy drinks for half the price.
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dominotwabout 11 years ago
I recently switched to matcha from coffee buying into similar claims of &#x27;long lasting jitter free zen concentration&#x27;. Have been happy so far. Has anyone tried both matcha and matte? How do they compare?
rmetzlerabout 11 years ago
I used to drink a lot of club mate. I loved it, but I had to stop drinking it because there is much more sugar in it than you would think and I developed dental health issues.
coldcodeabout 11 years ago
If it&#x27;s so good why shouldn&#x27;t someone Kickstarter a company to make something similar in the US? Seems like a real opportunity. Just advertise on HN and profit.
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taksintikabout 11 years ago
&quot;Horse piss filtered through hay&quot;...say no more. In.
oftenwrongabout 11 years ago
Seems like a &quot;submarine&quot;<p><a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;submarine.html</a>
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fredgrottabout 11 years ago
there is an online store for the US if you promise not resell it:<p><a href="http://club-mate.us/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;club-mate.us&#x2F;</a>
Vektorwegabout 11 years ago
Or tea. Probably the hackers second choice.
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myersabout 11 years ago
What the heck is up with the URL?
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dbboltonabout 11 years ago
Is it possible to order this soda online?<p>A quick look on Amazon and Google Shopping turned up nothing.
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