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End Mass Incarceration Now

160 pointsby alphakappaalmost 11 years ago

8 comments

MBCookalmost 11 years ago
Good luck.<p>Between easy fear-mongering (&quot;Do you want criminals on the street?&quot;, &quot;Representative Smith let that murder out, he could have prevented this&quot;, &quot;Senator Bill is soft on crime!&quot;) and the huge number of jobs who depend on this nonsense (prisons, police, lawyers, bail bonds, half-way houses) I fear this will never be undone.
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argumentumalmost 11 years ago
Leaving aside victimless crimes for now (drugs, gambling prostitution), one problem with US sentencing is that it doesn&#x27;t scale linearly.<p>For instance, the sentence for petty larceny can be 6 months to a year. The penalty for 1st degree murder can be 30 years to life. I don&#x27;t know anyone who would think Murder is merely 30 to 60 times worse than stealing underwear from Walmart.<p>I&#x27;m not one of those who thinks we should adopt Nordic style sentences. I.e. Anders Breivik should never see the light of day again in my opinion.<p>But sentences should be appropriate to the seriousness of what was done. Since the worst possible penalty is death&#x2F;life in prison, which is ~30 to 60 years in most cases, lesser crimes such as theft or fraud should merit much smaller penalties. I.e. a day in jail, community service or payment of restitution.
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lmg643almost 11 years ago
at the federal level - drug offenses are about half of the population.<p>of course, it&#x27;s one thing to talk about legalizing marijuana - but i&#x27;m not sure what i&#x27;m supposed to think about early release for a guy who was importing heroin into chicago, so that kids who can&#x27;t afford reformulated oxycontin have a way to get high. it&#x27;s all part of the same &quot;non-violent drug offense&quot; coin.<p>this is a pretty reflexive NYT column. once we get away from &quot;non-violent drug offenders&quot; i think the argument loses force. If you spend about 20 minutes reading about the details of the types of gnarly violent crimes the non-drug-related &quot;mass incarcerated&quot; commit, this sort of vague editorializing rings really hollow. people are capable of really heinous stuff.
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DigitalSeaalmost 11 years ago
Mass incarceration is big business. This is what happens you privatise something, its sole goal is to make money and guess what makes a private prison money? More inmates.<p>Then you have all of the other people&#x2F;entities that benefit from a broken system; lawyers, police, judges, bail bonds. The justice system is inherently corrupt. And speaking of private prisons, most of them have occupancy guarantee clauses in their government contracts.<p>I think the problem is even bigger than the New York Times thinks it is. It&#x27;ll take more than a NYT article to fix the problem.
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rancar2almost 11 years ago
There are two main external approaches that help improve outcomes for people affected by incarceration, top-down = Policy change &amp; bottom-up = Grassroots.<p>It is first worth noting that change is generally hard for everyone: governments, organizations, and individuals, because it&#x27;s not typically not a simple singular event but a complex process: <a href="http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Womens_Health_Watch/2012/March/why-behavior-change-is-hard-and-why-you-should-keep-trying" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.health.harvard.edu&#x2F;newsletters&#x2F;Harvard_Womens_Hea...</a><p>On the policy front, this is one of many approaches being taken, and this specific one is coming from the White House, My Brother&#x27;s Keeper: <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/02/27/fact-sheet-opportunity-all-president-obama-launches-my-brother-s-keeper-" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;the-press-office&#x2F;2014&#x2F;02&#x2F;27&#x2F;fact-s...</a><p>On the grassroots front, there are two organization that come to mind that are running programs showing promise in breaking the cycle of crime at different points: Roca &amp; the Center for Employment.<p>Here are their theories of change respectively: <a href="http://rocainc.org/what-we-do/the-solution/rocas-intervention-model-for-high-risk-young-people/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;rocainc.org&#x2F;what-we-do&#x2F;the-solution&#x2F;rocas-interventio...</a> <a href="http://ceoworks.org/about/what-we-do/ceo-model-3/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ceoworks.org&#x2F;about&#x2F;what-we-do&#x2F;ceo-model-3&#x2F;</a><p>Both are taking part in scaling what works with Social Impact Bonds: <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/toby_eccles_invest_in_social_change" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;toby_eccles_invest_in_social_change</a> <a href="http://www.socialfinanceus.org/what-we-do/select-current-engagements/social-finance-drives-landmark-new-york-state-deal" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.socialfinanceus.org&#x2F;what-we-do&#x2F;select-current-eng...</a> <a href="http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/tackling-mass-incarceration/?smid=pl-share" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;02&#x2F;tackling-mas...</a><p>Additional case studies from David Hunter: <a href="http://dekhconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/HunterConsulting_ROCA_CaseStudy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;dekhconsulting.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2012&#x2F;10&#x2F;HunterC...</a> <a href="http://dekhconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/CenterForEmploymentOpp_CaseStudy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;dekhconsulting.com&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2012&#x2F;11&#x2F;CenterF...</a>
pekkalmost 11 years ago
Does mass incarceration mean &quot;prisons&quot;? What sets the line between having prisons and having &quot;mass incarceration&quot;?
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mschuster91almost 11 years ago
sorry, but what joke is this moderation? In half an hour, this article fell from #1 to #30, and I bet in half an hour it won&#x27;t even be on #60.
mynameisherealmost 11 years ago
<i>even when there is no evidence that imprisoning more people has reduced crime by more than a small amount.</i><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Violent_crime_rates_by_gender_1973-2003.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;File:Violent_crime_rates_by_gen...</a><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Property_Crime_Rates_in_the_United_States.svg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;File:Property_Crime_Rates_in_th...</a><p>The ny times editorial board is either living in a dream world, or is willfully lying and actually wants a return to the levels of property and violent crime from 40 years ago.
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