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Square Begins Offering Data Driven Cash Advances to Small Businesses

97 pointsby ASquareabout 11 years ago

14 comments

primitivesuaveabout 11 years ago
When I started my first small business, I poured my life savings into it. Six months later all that cash was gone and I wasn&#x27;t making rent or car payments on time. PayPal gave me the option for a lump sum of money ($10k) in exchange for a percentage of my sales (30%) - the loan cost me about $750 dollars in interest to PayPal, and saved the business. With enough runway for 2 months, I fixed the business model and cut unnecessary staff&#x2F;expenses. Six months later, the business was profitable again, all thanks to a small cash infusion.<p>The point is, I could have been homeless. PayPal&#x27;s financing gave me enough time to fix a broken business model, which is a situation I&#x27;m sure many other small business owners are in.
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thecosasabout 11 years ago
Small business are just that: small. It takes time that they don&#x27;t have to go through the normal loan application process.<p>Square wins because they already know its a good bet. The merchant wins because they don&#x27;t have to spend time on something other than their core business (which is probably why they chose Square in the first place).
jrockwayabout 11 years ago
My first thought: what a good idea.<p>My second thought: why didn&#x27;t the card issuers think of this first? They&#x27;re actual banks and their whole business model is lending money.
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Anechoicabout 11 years ago
FYI PayPal started a similar program last fall: <a href="https://www.paypal.com/webapps/workingcapital/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paypal.com&#x2F;webapps&#x2F;workingcapital&#x2F;</a>
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yunfangjuanabout 11 years ago
This is a review we wrote for Square Capital <a href="https://www.fundastic.com/posts/25-what-does-square-capital-mean-for-small-businesses" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fundastic.com&#x2F;posts&#x2F;25-what-does-square-capital-...</a><p>It&#x27;s a much better than merchant cash advances, OnDeck or Kabbage in terms of cost.
GregorStocksabout 11 years ago
The example given is a $10k advance with $11k paid back, but the article also says that &quot;fees appear to be 1&#x2F;8 to 1&#x2F;10th of what you’d pay a typical loan organization to get your hands on cash.&quot; I&#x27;m curious how they&#x27;re defining &quot;fees,&quot; since I can&#x27;t imagine a &quot;typical loan organization&quot; would charge 80% annual interest.
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adamioabout 11 years ago
Does Square have a phone number yet? Last time I dealt with them support was only by web form and email
mpclarkabout 11 years ago
This is the financial services industry&#x27;s equivalent of &quot;We&#x27;ll monetise by sticking ads around it&quot;: &quot;We&#x27;ll monetise by advancing loans and collecting interest&quot;<p>Whoever can find more borrowers at the edges gets plenty of short term profitable business, but we all know how it ends...
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pluncheteabout 11 years ago
I find it funny that the article repeats several times the amount of data that square. Do you know who has more data? The bank where the business has its account ;)<p>That being said, the current process from banks seems old and not really clever to me
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coreymgilmoreabout 11 years ago
I could see this mostly serving small businesses that already use Square. The alternatives (AR funding, bank working capital funding,...) seem to be better&#x2F;cheaper than Square. Can&#x27;t argue with Square though trying to expand its business.
antrabout 11 years ago
financing working capital is a highly competitive business where banks are really good at (large balance sheets that can compete at &#x27;no cost&#x27;). yes, this service might go to businesses that are underserved by banks, but then at what cost is this service to the smb? 10%, ouch.
JonFish85about 11 years ago
This seems like a weird turn for Square to take. I would think that the regulatory crap that comes with becoming a bank would be a nightmare for someone like Square trying to move from being a payments processor to an actual lending institution.
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iamchmodabout 11 years ago
Forbes.com 4&#x2F;21&#x2F;2014 @ 10:59AM - &quot;Why Square Needs To Sell Itself--And Do It Quickly&quot; <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2014/04/21/why-square-needs-to-sell-itself-and-do-it-quickly/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;stevenbertoni&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;21&#x2F;why-squ...</a>
dslabout 11 years ago
This is a really scary thing for Square to be doing.<p>Remember the golden child that was Groupon? Their business model was not deals, but short term loans to businesses (I pay you now for X widgets minus a percentage, at some point in the future you need to provide X widgets). We all know how that one ended...