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The tragedy of the Arabs

73 pointsby mnazimalmost 11 years ago

13 comments

alrsalmost 11 years ago
You <i>cannot</i> understand the modern Middle East without knowing about Sykes-Picot, the Balfour Declaration, Ataturk, and Nasser. None are mentioned in this essay.<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasser" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nasser</a><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ataturk" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Ataturk</a><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement</a><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_declaration" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Balfour_declaration</a>
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firstOrderalmost 11 years ago
&gt; While Islamic democracies elsewhere (such as Indonesia) are doing fine, in the Arab world the very fabric of the state is weak.<p>The Western countries and Israel have been doing everything they can for the past century to keep Arab democracy weak.<p>In the soi disant &quot;only democracy in the Middle East&quot;, the West bank, claimed by Israel, where ultraorthodox right off the plane from Russia can go to a West Bank settlement to vote, but in which Palestinians who have been there for thousands of years can not vote for any government which Israel or the US recognizes - why not let the Palestinians vote? Israel is no democracy - they claim the West Bank is Israel, in a defacto sense it is, and they do not let Arabs vote. We see the contemplation of Islam causing problems, why don&#x27;t we look at Judaism in the same manner in how it is against democracy? Meir Kahane said as much himself, and his policies have been running Israel, and the US and European backing of Israel for the past years.<p>Meanwhile the US and UK destroyed Iranian democracy, its parliament, Mossadegh, and installed a dictator whose CIA-backed secret police arrested, tortured and killed those who wanted a return to democracy. We had France, the UK and Israel invade Egypt in 1956, and on and on and on.<p>The economic and military might of the west and Israel has been fighting autonomy and democracy in the Middle East for a century, and will continue to in the next century.<p>Despite this, as we can see the beginnings of in the Arab Spring, as well as a history rooted in pan-Arab nationalism, in the years to come Arabs will see themselves freed from the shackles of imperialism and Zionism, and restore power in the the Middle East to the people of the Middle East.
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rayineralmost 11 years ago
&gt; But religious extremism is a conduit for misery, not its fundamental cause (see article). While Islamic democracies elsewhere (such as Indonesia—see article) are doing fine, in the Arab world the very fabric of the state is weak.<p>First, &quot;fine&quot; is relative. Religious conservatives have been a major force in turning back progress in countries like Bangladesh. The 1972 constitution envisioned a secular republic, and the end result was . . . something less than that. In particular, a series of constitutional amendments eliminated the commitment to secularism and made Islam the state religion. Over the past few decades, there was been a substantial regression in areas like womens&#x27; rights, coupled with an increase in public religiousity.<p>Second, comparing the Arab states to south Asian muslim states is comparing apples and oranges. To use Bangladesh as an example again, that country has had organized government for almost all the past 500 years, between the Mughals, the British Empire, India, Pakistan, and independence. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia, while nominally part of several different empires prior to the 20th century, was always on the outskirts of those empires, and was never really an orderly, centrally-administered place. In Saudi Arabia, central government has taken a back seat to tribal power for almost that whole history.<p>There&#x27;s lot&#x27;s of other reasons, obviously. I think a big one is this: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Resource_curse</a>. However, I think it can&#x27;t be taken for granted the degree to which democracy and good government arises out of the ingrained sensibilities of people.
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fiatmoneyalmost 11 years ago
&quot;No one suggests that the Arabs as a people... suffer from some pathological antipathy to democracy&quot;<p>Actually, there is a fair amount of evidence that routine endogamy is a significant impediment to the development of democracy.
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throwaway192382almost 11 years ago
<i>Why Arab countries have so miserably failed to create democracy, happiness or (aside from the windfall of oil) wealth for their 350m people is one of the great questions of our time. What makes Arab society susceptible to vile regimes and fanatics bent on destroying them (and their perceived allies in the West)? No one suggests that the Arabs as a people lack talent or suffer from some pathological antipathy to democracy.</i><p>Is religion the central problem? It seems like the religion has a built-in mechanism to perpetuate war and misery: &quot;Jihad.&quot; The idea is to carry on fighting at any cost, and to train your children to believe that they too should fight.<p>If it weren&#x27;t for the religion, would the people regularly blow themselves up in the middle of civilians?<p>However, this doesn&#x27;t quite ring true. Long ago, their culture was the best in the world, and some of the most important scientific advancements were made by Arab scholars. Were they highly religious back then? If so, why was their society stable in spite of warfare being a core tenant of the religion? What changed?
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dbroweralmost 11 years ago
The Economist rather notably omitted the seeds of the current state sowed in the Sykes Picot agreement, which made a hash of things just as the old local power structure was in collapse. Rather than create a stable start for the region as the beginning of its development, the UK -- probably with The Economist&#x27;s supporting conventional wisdom -- made it all the worse.<p>Sow. Reap. Repeat.
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valarauca1almost 11 years ago
Paradoxically the often cited turning point for the Decline of the Ottoman Empire is during the Tanzimat period. Which started Constitutional Reform, Secular Law, Abolition of Guilds, and the decriminalization of homosexuality.
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josephbyalmost 11 years ago
Correct headline is &quot;The tragedy of the Arabs&quot;; omitting the definite article makes the lede significantly more offensive :)
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ciceroalmost 11 years ago
The article looks back at the rich Arab intellectual tradition of the Middle Ages, and the question of what happened is intriguing indeed. I heard a fascinating interview with Robert R. Reilly, the author of _The Closing of the Muslim Mind_[1], and I think his book could be a significant contribution to understanding this problem. Here is what I remember from the interview:<p>The issue of how God interacts with the created world was an open question in the Middle Ages. Everyone agreed that God was the creator and sovereign Lord of the universe, but there were differing views about how that played out.<p>One school of thought had the concepts of primary and secondary causality. God is responsible for the existence of all things; he is the primary cause. However, God gives created things the power of causality so that they are secondary causes. Therefore a billiard ball has the &quot;power&quot; to cause other billiard balls to move when it strikes them. These powers of secondary causality are properties of created things and thus they can be studied and understood. Such a belief led to early forms of scientific inquiry.<p>The other school of thought was that God is the direct and only cause of everything that happens. Secondary causality is just an illusion. God directly moves all of the billiard balls. Just because billiard ball B starts to move after ball A comes into contact with it does not mean A was the cause of B&#x27;s movement. Rather, God is the cause of all movement. It is the ultimate &quot;correlation does not imply causation&quot; argument. In fact, the current state of the universe has no bearing on the state of the universe in the next instance of time. God recreates the universe every moment in time solely according to his Will, rather like a video game engine completely renders the screen image for every frame. The image of one frame does not cause the image of the next frame. All frames come directly from the game engine.<p>The second school of thought ended up winning in the Muslim world because it exalted the Will of God as ultimate and without competition. Philosophical and scientific inquiry were squelched, but fortunately this happened after the great works of the first school had already passed into Christian hands. Since God is primarily Love rather than Will in Christian theology, it was reasonable to think that God, motivated by love, would give a measure of control to his creatures.<p>I hope I have not misrepresented the ideas of the book. It is on my reading list, but I have not gotten to it yet.<p>1: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Closing-Muslim-Mind-Intellectual-Islamist-ebook/dp/B00JBRUKZS/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Closing-Muslim-Mind-Intellectual-Islam...</a>
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hiphopyoalmost 11 years ago
Interesting article in the Telegraph on how most Muslim countries are actually the least Muslim countries judging by the values found in the Quran -- whereas countries like Ireland, Denmark and Luxembourg top the list:<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10888707/Ireland-leads-the-world-in-Islamic-values-as-Muslim-states-lag.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;worldnews&#x2F;europe&#x2F;ireland&#x2F;108...</a>
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sampoalmost 11 years ago
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platzalmost 11 years ago
While on the subject, Maciej Cegłowski (of Pinboard) posted recently about his trip to Yemen:<p><a href="http://idlewords.com/2014/07/sana_a.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;idlewords.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;sana_a.htm</a>
banealmost 11 years ago
I&#x27;ve been reading through the &quot;A History of Korea&quot; by Michael Seth, hoping to get some insight into how Korea went from a colonized underdog into a global economic power in such a short time. The modern history of both Koreas is truly fascinating as are their early parallels.<p>One thing I&#x27;ve been surprised to learn is how much of a role various Christian groups in Korea played in anti-governmnet activities going all the way back to the Japanese Colonial period. There&#x27;s some interesting and unique history there with respect to Korea&#x27;s history with Christianity -- including being one of the only countries with a history of self-conversion, before missionaries ever showed up there.<p>More recently, the parallels between the economic development of the North and the South are quite striking. While the North made some very big economic development strides early on, the long term focus on almost pure heavy industry and military development caused the country to stagnate and economically regress -- despite an almost constant stream of aid and support from first the Soviet Bloc and then China. The infrastructure has begun to crumble because the state never bothered developing the entire economic ecosystem needed to keep it running.<p>The South on the other hand, under the military dictator, Park Chung-hee, took a more step-wise foundation building approach that&#x27;s yielded tremendous long-term success for the country. Seizing power from an incompetently run, but democratic, government. Park put in place a complex series of programs designed to build up an export-oriented economy through gradual development of industry from light-industry to heavy.<p>It was tremendously corrupt, and built on lots of favor trading. But he used the power of the military and the government to keep the economy focused on pure growth, and pragmatically eliminated &quot;non-essential&quot; economic activities. Starting with things like sugar refineries and textile manufacturing, the country started working up to construction (a significant number of U.S. projects during the Vietnam war were built by Korean companies), then shipbuilding, cars, petrochemicals, etc. Each designed to both provide economic opportunities for export, as well as provide domestic capabilities for the next steps.<p>No political activity was allowed and the country was basically run like a giant, efficient, no-nonsense, military apparatus for decades. It took until the 80s before it was really time to switch off from this into the more liberal and democratic country we see today.<p>He financed all this with a very pragmatic finance scheme, hitting up Japans booming economy during the 60s and 70s, despite a great deal of animosity between the two countries. And then more importantly sold back the finished goods to Japan and the U.S. markets.<p>It was under Park that South Korea started doing major construction projects in the middle-East. The technical ability of South Korean construction companies can&#x27;t be underestimated -- the Burj Khalifa was built by Samsung.<p>Despite significant student demonstrations and unrest during the Park administration (and the similar Chun Doo-hwan one that closely followed), most people were simply too busy working and scratching out a living to take to the streets, or form anti-government organizations.<p>There&#x27;s other parallels as well, extremely low participation in the work force by women, a history of foreign meddling, etc.<p>I guess what I&#x27;m saying is that idle hands may just be the source of a lot of this misery. In richer Arab countries, most of the work is done by foreigners on the cheap and locals live off of the proceeds, they&#x27;re bored and have nothing else to do. In poorer ones, people need jobs, are desperate and again, have nothing else to do.<p>There&#x27;s been some half-hearted attempts to provide other activities. KAUST, for example, is a Science and Tech graduate-level university that&#x27;s had billions invested into it. But one of the interesting points my book brings up is that setting up advanced schooling, or advanced industry, doesn&#x27;t make sense unless a Park style staged economic program is put in place first to build all of the necessary social, educational and economic foundations to support these advanced industries. You can&#x27;t really leapfrog these things, but you can make progress unbelievably fast.<p>The real problem is that, at least for the oil rich parts of the Arab world, there isn&#x27;t much incentive to really do these things. If any place might have a go, someplace oil-poor, like Egypt, might be a logical place to kick off something like a &quot;Tiger of the Nile&quot; program. I know I&#x27;m not the first person to think of this either.<p><a href="http://www.academia.edu/5319334/A_Comparison_of_the_Political_Economy_of_Egypt_and_South_Korea" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.academia.edu&#x2F;5319334&#x2F;A_Comparison_of_the_Politica...</a><p><a href="http://www.e-ir.info/2013/12/23/south-korea-egypt-and-wallersteins-world-system-analysis/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.e-ir.info&#x2F;2013&#x2F;12&#x2F;23&#x2F;south-korea-egypt-and-waller...</a><p><a href="http://www.imd.org/research/challenges/TC057-13-two-dictatorships-lehmann.cfm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.imd.org&#x2F;research&#x2F;challenges&#x2F;TC057-13-two-dictator...</a>
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