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Silicon Valley's Plan to Split California into 6 States Just Might Succeed

10 pointsby ero5004almost 11 years ago

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locopatialmost 11 years ago
This will never happen even if it does pass the ballot measure vote. By the US Constitution (Article 4, Section 3, Clause 1 [1]), new states require both the consent of the state legislature (which currently has Democractic majority) and the US Congress (which currently is completely disfunctional). Never mind the internal fights that would happen over water rights. I think you are more likely to see California ruptured by science-fiction level earthquakes before this happens.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Four_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_1:_New_states" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Article_Four_of_the_United_Stat...</a>
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dragonwriteralmost 11 years ago
Its not really a plan to split California into six states, its a plan to <i>propose to the federal government</i> splitting California into six states, and to amend the State Constitution to permit each county a broad power to nullify state law within the county until and unless that partition occurs [1]. This is particularly critical to note because if the federal government were to reject the partition plan (which seems quite possible if it were to pass California voters), the changes to the State Constitution would remain.<p>[1] See Section 4 of the initiative [2], amending Article XI of the State Constitution.<p>[2] at: <a href="https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/13-0063%20(13-0063%20(Six%20Californias)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;oag.ca.gov&#x2F;system&#x2F;files&#x2F;initiatives&#x2F;pdfs&#x2F;13-0063%20(...</a>).pdf
chiphalmost 11 years ago
This proposal has interesting aspects regarding percentage of representation in the US Senate. Over time, as the US population grew, each persons representation percentage has fallen. California had 1.4 million people in 1900, and 38 million people in 2012.<p>In 1900, each person had 0.000148 of a Senator. In 2012 that is 0.00000526 of a Senator. With the new states, that goes up approximately six-fold to 0.0000316<p>The Constitution says there are 2 Senators per state. So, splitting California up means 10 additional seats in the senate for the people living there, so that each person&#x27;s proportional representation goes up - i.e. it&#x27;s easier to get the ear of your senator because you are competing with fewer people for his attention.<p>Not sure what would happen in the US House -- I think the number of Representatives is set at a fixed number (435) by law. So the results of the next census would be .. interesting.
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_deliriumalmost 11 years ago
People are mostly focusing on the political effects of splitting CA, but I think this particular set of boundaries is not a good one from a practical perspective, even if CA were somehow to be split. They look drawn almost solely on the basis of voting patterns. On the basis of commute patterns, economic ties, etc., they make little sense. For example, the proposal splits the LA metro area between two states, which I don&#x27;t think will improve things for LA residents. For one thing, Metrolink would become an interstate commuter-rail system, which will just add another layer of bureaucracy in the way of getting anything done. And as a former resident of the Inland Empire, I don&#x27;t see why it should be attached to San Diego when it is clearly part of the LA metro area; putting a state line right through the middle of the 10&#x2F;210 corridor is silly.
firecooleralmost 11 years ago
John Titor, is that you?