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Paris syndrome

74 pointsby ejralmost 11 years ago

16 comments

bellerockyalmost 11 years ago
Seems like a variant of culture shock[1] which has similar characteristics. The difference being the degree of anxiety experienced seems to be particularly acute for a minority of Japanese tourists in Paris.<p>Anthropologists and ethnographers are trained in, and can experience severe culture shock since their goal is often immersion to learn more about a culture. Panic attacks in severe cases of culture shock are not uncommon, one of my professors did a stint in Spain and lost it when she saw a slaughtered pig being carried through a market place. She described being short of breath, and other classic symptoms of a panic attack.<p>Another instance I know of is a Japanese American female anthropologist being immersed into Japanese culture while staying as a guest at a family. She found herself panicking at the supermarket. After nearly a year there, dressed in &quot;homewear&quot; with a stroller and the family&#x27;s children looking to buy food to make for the night&#x27;s dinner, in the midst of the crushing social obligations she had such an identity crisis right then and there that she abandoned ship and moved in with a friend she knew in Tokyo. She still finished her book, which is really good.<p>[1] <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_shock" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Culture_shock</a>
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Udoalmost 11 years ago
I never perceived Paris as a particularly welcoming or friendly city, and I imagine few people do. All the things you read about the Gallic Shrug and general rudeness are absolutely true there, but I found you can have amazing fun if you just choose to be entertained by it instead. In the end, it all boils down to the fact that in Paris, nobody will help you with anything. On the other hand, it&#x27;s mostly a city where you don&#x27;t actually need a lot of help to get by. If you can manage to blend in and not care about strangers, it&#x27;s quite a fun place.<p>The article itself portrays very well that Paris syndrome is probably not real (in a statistical sense). There is a big number of tourists in the city at any given moment, some of them will statistically snap during their stay. I do like the theory that disillusionment and added stress contribute to the timing, though - especially if the trip was expensive.<p>Since the article mentions it, Jerusalem syndrome is similar but qualitatively different. Many people who go there are not just tourists. I&#x27;d wager that for over 90% of travelers there the city has some kind of religious significance. They are essentially pilgrims. And you&#x27;d <i>have to be</i> to want to go there: the city itself is a dirty, oppressive mess filled with scary people and shady salesmen.<p>Combining these factors, it wouldn&#x27;t surprise me if the incidence of Jerusalem syndrome was much higher than Paris, mostly due to the clientele but also the city itself.<p>Now Stendhal syndrome is more interesting: it&#x27;s a generalized description of these kind of psychotic breaks, though they are mostly understood to be a little bit more benign than Jerusalem syndrome. By definition, these effects are attributed to exposure of a susceptible individual to an object of great personal importance, such as a piece of art. In this context, the same pattern of breakdowns has been studied with tourists who snap while visiting Florence.
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GazNewtalmost 11 years ago
4 day visit with wife in 2010. Paris for me :<p>Groups of women with clipboards surrounding you trying to pick pocket when you hold the clipboard.<p>The horrible wedding ring women and the blokes that are always nearby.<p>The wrist bracelet creeps. Don&#x27;t let them grab your wrist, they won&#x27;t let go unless you pay (saw this happen).<p>Tricked by &quot;helpful&quot; man who gave us fake tickets in exchange for real money. I know. Naive.<p>These sets of cunts really pissed me off. I was glad to get back to to UK I felt safer, I didn&#x27;t get the impression the police in Paris were tackling the issue.<p>Otherwise very nice and I should go again a bit wiser (just said that for a balanced post).
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josaialmost 11 years ago
Paris-fetishization isn&#x27;t limited to the japanese. In other asian countries paris is also put on a pedestal as some sort of cultural and fashion peak of civilisation. Just a few weeks ago I was talking to a thai girl who excitedly told me that her lifelong dream was to go to paris - it&#x27;s so built up there; marketing, films, the setting for drama, and yet some locals seem to lack the context to apply the same sort of reality checks they&#x27;d naturally apply to marketing treatment of something more familiar.<p>Paris is a lovely city, in parts, but the &quot;media hologram&quot; builds it up as more than that - it&#x27;s a utopia, the birthplace of romance and art, a lifestyle. And maybe it is, but not the theme park portrayed in the media. So I found myself wondering what that girl really expects if she ever does make it there, and whether reality would match up to her dream.
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bsaulalmost 11 years ago
Fun story : i used to live near the &quot;moulin rouge&quot;. Every time i walked to the subway station, from which you can see the moulin rouge, i could see the face of tourists as they climbed up the stairs : first they were a bit surprised because they didn&#x27;t seem to see it. Then, as they walked up a bit more i could see their face decompose as they realize that that small red stuff stuck between a giant coca cola ad and an old building was actualy the moulin rouge.
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shubbalmost 11 years ago
I wonder if there is an ironic mirror syndrome, for Americans who grew up on Japanese media, working as English teachers in Tokyo. Symptoms include a sudden need to acquire custom bingo cards.
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bussierealmost 11 years ago
I&#x27;am french and from paris. Yes it&#x27;s true that paris can have some awful side, but there is some beautiful side too. I&#x27;am fond of urbex so i&#x27;ve discovered some place that even parisian don&#x27;t know. And i know a lot of place in paris restaurant pub. If you want to have a good travel take a guide or contact someone local who can give you some tips. I always do that when i go to foreign country. Generaly i visit the local hackerspace and i ask my contacts in other undergrounds if they know someone or some place. Or i contact some people from the undergrounds that i know for advice. Exemple : There s burner everywhere in the world.
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pasbesoinalmost 11 years ago
It&#x27;s hardly fully representative, either, but for a bit of contrast, one can watch the recent series &quot;Engrenages&quot; (English title: &quot;Spiral&quot;).
ZenoArrowalmost 11 years ago
I&#x27;ve never been to Tokyo, but I&#x27;ve always wanted to, and I wonder if I&#x27;ll experience a variant of Paris Syndrome if I do... I expect I will, the Tokyo I hope for is some sort of geek paradise, filled with surprising cultural artifacts, but modern culture is so global now I wonder how much surprise will be left.
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CountHackulusalmost 11 years ago
Basically it&#x27;s when you realize that it&#x27;s just another bullshit town. (Though personally, I still love Paris.)
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helen842000almost 11 years ago
Having visted Paris on 10+ occasions it&#x27;s fair to say it&#x27;s one of my favorite cities. However I can see how this can happen. The more knowledge you have about the city the better your visit.<p>It&#x27;s easy to book a bad hotel, it&#x27;s easy to get lost amid the irregular street patterns and hard to find someone to give directions, it&#x27;s easy to head into bad neighborhoods &amp; get drawn into scams. It&#x27;s also very easy to not know any French &amp; think you&#x27;ll get by.<p>These are all things that can be avoided by an hour of research or alternatively traveling with someone that has been before or on a tour that has a guide.<p>There are so many small tips &amp; tricks that go into experiencing Paris properly. Having arranged visits for many friends &amp; family it CAN be as magical as you&#x27;d expect it to be.
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SimonDawlatalmost 11 years ago
As a french entrepreneur who has hosted dozens of US friends in Paris, some of them being prominent members of the &quot;hacker&quot; community as we call it, I have always been struck with amazement at how little &quot;hacking&quot; these friends would apply to their Paris trip, easily falling for the Tour Eiffel visit, desperately wanting to see the Moulin Rouge (which is probably the worst place to visit in all Paris – and probably in all Europe), still marveling at the shitty 50m2 studio in Montmartre or Ile Saint Louis they were about to rent before I offered to host them and show them my version of the city, etc. How can it be 2014 and people still want to experience Paris by showing up on a Saturday morning at Notre Dame only to stand in line for hours amidst hundreds of Japanese people and their cameras the size of a small Segway.<p>I am not saying it is easy to &quot;hack&quot; a city you&#x27;ve never visited before, and for the 2 years I spent myself in San Francisco I still believe I coud have hacked my way around much better. But if I were to provide a few advices to anyone about to embark on a Paris trip, that would be:<p>– Buy the Paris edition of the Lonely Planet and decide to not go to all the places they mention.<p>– Don&#x27;t come in August (most of the city is basically shut down during the holidays). May, June, July, September, October, November.<p>– Most of the most interesting buildings (+ the overall Haussmannian architecture of Paris) are better seen from the outside: better spend 30 great minutes on le Parvis du Trocadéro watching the Eiffel Tower, than actually waiting 3h in line to get &quot;inside&quot; the Eiffel Tower.<p>– Get in line at museums roughly 1:30 hour before they&#x27;re about to close: shorter lines, people on their way out. You have less time but it&#x27;s clearly optimized.<p>– When in doubt, rely on locals: I know many Americans actually living and enjoying their life in Paris. You&#x27;re always a few friends away on Facebook from knowing someone who lives here.<p>– Somewhere in their inboxes Parisian people have crafted for friends and&#x2F;or received from friends &quot;lists&quot; of insider places to go that they&#x27;ll happily forward to you once you&#x27;ve made connexion (I made a very long and detailed one of my favorite restaurants once).<p>– Use local guides. If you&#x27;re a foodie, following the Lefooding.com recommendations for example is always a guarantee to both eat at wonderful places and visit fun areas where these restaurants are located in. For all the things we suck at if there&#x27;s one thing the Paris scene is amazingly good at is food &amp; restaurant innovation.<p>– If you&#x27;re part of the tech community: damn it, you just need to hit your local counterparts. At the opposite of gross taxi drivers, young french tech people are very welcoming and easy to get in touch with.<p>– You can definitely hit me up anytime even if we don&#x27;t know each other, I&#x27;m always happy to help.<p>I&#x27;m probably omitting a ton here but there&#x27;s an apéro down my street with friends waiting for me to show up :)
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AlexMuiralmost 11 years ago
I&#x27;m in Paris at the moment and I absolutely love it. I plan to stay. I was worried that this article would be about some sort of honeymoon period that I&#x27;m on - glad to see it&#x27;s the opposite.<p>There&#x27;s a lot to love, and I&#x27;ve very quickly found my feet here. There are lots of accessible co-working spaces, and finding accommodation has proven pretty easy so far. Compared to London, the quality of life at the same cost is far, far better. For me at least.<p>The biggest negative find is families of gypsies living on mattresses on the street, which I&#x27;ve never seen anywhere before on this scale. It&#x27;s shocking to me to see toddlers playing in the gutter of an affluent western city.
tshadwellalmost 11 years ago
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture-bound_syndrome" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Culture-bound_syndrome</a> Many of these are also just as interesting
abuddyalmost 11 years ago
Can Art Destroy Us?<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOlbMWUC-E0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=XOlbMWUC-E0</a>
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pmoricialmost 11 years ago
When I visited Paris I felt like crap because the pollution was horrible. It was apparently so bad that they made the subways free for several days to encourage people to avoid driving their cars.
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