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We’re tackling aging

95 pointsby exrationealmost 11 years ago

8 comments

justboxingalmost 11 years ago
I hope they undertake work in Geriatrics. According to several articles I&#x27;ve read on NYTimes and other places, Geriatricians is sort of a dying specialization within the medical field.<p>&quot;Geriatrics is one of the lower-paid medical specialties, in part because virtually all its patients are on Medicare, which pays doctors less than commercial insurers.&quot; Source: <a href="http://newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/even-fewer-geriatricians-in-training/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;newoldage.blogs.nytimes.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;01&#x2F;09&#x2F;even-fewer-ger...</a>
hashtagalmost 11 years ago
I&#x27;ve always been confused by Calico as a company. Are they part of Google or an independent company funded by Google. They seem to be sharing office space at one of Google offices and there are obvious ties but is working for Calico independent i.e. none of the Google benefits and perks or is it suppose to be a division of Google
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LukeB_UKalmost 11 years ago
That white text against the tree rings is pretty much unreadable...
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kikaalmost 11 years ago
I actually think that IBM just did more to fight aging than any aging science can do in the foreseeable future. Biological cells are &quot;designed&quot; for failure, they can not live forever (except in some simplest forms). What would happen eventually, I think, is this: biological aging research will progress until some practical limit and we will live until like 150 years or something, then we will dump backup to some future S3 and restore from there to ever advancing neuro-chips. So if I were Larry I&#x27;d invest billions into neurophysiology, developing means to actually do this backup. The first restore would be to device the size of the Google datacenter, drawing megawatts of energy and with the run rate of $10.000&#x2F;hour. That&#x27;s okay, we&#x27;ve been there before and we&#x27;ll fix it rather quickly. What&#x27;s really interesting is what would happen next: let&#x27;s say I died, my last backup was restored into some device and it costs a mere $5000&#x2F;month to support. Of course I need to work to earn these money. I don&#x27;t need sleep, I don&#x27;t feel tired, I&#x27;m directly connected to the Internet (I don&#x27;t need to type into Google, I _know_ everything Google knows) and I have 250 years of experience developing, hm, C++ applications for, hmmm, Windows. Now, what are the chances for a mortal, organic fresh grad to get a job (even if he can connect to Google directly too)?
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gordon_freemanalmost 11 years ago
so if Calico is independent company funded by Google then what would Google gain by it? I mean how does this relate to Google&#x27;s mission to &quot;organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful.&quot;<p>Is it a long term strategy to increase the age of humanity so they search more, use more of android, and earn Google more revenue because their search business is saturating? or is there a truly altruistic motive behind funding Calico? Seeing on their website an executive with title VP of Business Development seems interesting and just wonder how would he benefit Google through Calico&#x27;s business.
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exrationealmost 11 years ago
Disappointingly, but expectedly, the stub website for Calico further reinforces the point that they are not likely to soon take any path that will produce meaningful results for human longevity. They are following the Longevity Dividend [0] approach in essence, which at the high level aims to increase understanding of the intersection of genetics, metabolism, and aging to produce ways to slow aging gently. Ambition here is to aim for an increase of 7 years of life expectancy over the next two decades, a figure given a couple of times by Jay Olshansky. Examples of research include work on sirtuins, that has consumed a billion dollars and produced nothing of use, and other attempts to produce caloric restriction mimetic drugs. The near future in the Longevity Dividend vision is basically more of the same: vastly expensive attempts to alter the operation of metabolism in order to slow down aging.<p>Genetics is hot, and it is easy to raise funds for nowadays. See the launch of Venter&#x27;s Human Longevity Inc, for example. But I see this in connection with work on longevity as looking for the keys under the lamp, because that is where the light is, not because it is where you are likely to obtain results. The comparative genetics of human longevity should be irrelevant to work on aging: we all age because of the occurrence of the same forms of cellular and molecular damage. Outside of rare mutations, genetics has nothing to do with that - the same damage happens to everyone. The target should be repair of that damage, not trying to expensively slightly slow the pace at which it arrives.<p>That the metabolic manipulation approach to treating aging has such popularity despite the lack of results is a mystery. The other way, the repair approach, has the same lack of results - but that is because next to no money is heading in that direction. We have the early demonstration that targeted removal of senescent cells extends life in accelerated aging mice [1], for example, and ample reason to believe it is beneficial for ordinary individuals, but it took philanthropic funding to move that research forward at all. Institutions want to see standard issue drug development and manipulation of metabolism because it is the mainstream of medicine and the expected thing: the round peg for the round hole of regulation. This has nothing at all to do with whether it is the best path forward.<p>This all further points to the fact that if we want to see meaningful results in longevity science, measured in years of health gained for people who are already old, then we need to produce results that demonstrate the futility of the mainstream path taken by Google, the sirtuin researchers, and Human Longevity Inc, etc, and deonstrate that repair approaches can do far more for far less money. The senescent cell targeting is probably the closest work to that point.<p>Based on what I&#x27;ve seen of Calico to date, I&#x27;m expecting it to be a more publicized version of the Ellison Medical Foundation as an initiative: an extension of work already taking place at the NIA and in companies like Human Longevity Inc, and something that fails to step outside that box. It will produce general benefits in terms of data and knowledge, and absolutely fail to meaningfully extend human life. This will continue until someone changes the approach to this work to focus on repair of the causes of aging [2] rather than metabolic tinkering to slow aging. The latter is a slow road to marginal end results that can do next to nothing to help the people who grew old waiting for them to arrive.<p>[0]: <a href="https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2013/10/advocating-the-longevity-dividend-view.php" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fightaging.org&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;advocating-the-l...</a><p>[1]: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature10600" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;dx.doi.org&#x2F;10.1038&#x2F;nature10600</a><p>[2]: <a href="http://www.sens.org/research/introduction-to-sens-research" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sens.org&#x2F;research&#x2F;introduction-to-sens-research</a>
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JacksonGarietyalmost 11 years ago
maybe we should just leave aging alone?
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closetnerdalmost 11 years ago
I don&#x27;t think theres much point to anti-aging if we can&#x27;t understand what it even means for the brain to age.<p>As children, we have billions of neurons more than we do when we reach adulthood and everyday after that we loose something like 10k neurons a day.<p>Which is a scare because as people age, they become more rigid in general perspectives and beliefs. Its already hard enough bringing about change such as accepting gay people into our society and avoiding wars waged by old bitter people.
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