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Cause of global warming hiatus found deep in the Atlantic Ocean

34 pointsby aethertapalmost 11 years ago

9 comments

phkahleralmost 11 years ago
This is the problem as I see it from TFA:<p>&gt;&gt; More than a dozen theories have now been proposed for the so-called global warming hiatus, ranging from air pollution to volcanoes to sunspots.<p>&gt;&gt; “Every week there’s a new explanation of the hiatus,” said corresponding author Ka-Kit Tung<p>First of all, a hypothesis is NOT a theory. Secondly, they have a goal indicative of an agenda - they&#x27;re looking for a plausible explanation and publishing speculation as &quot;theory&quot;. If you don&#x27;t have data you&#x27;re just speculating, and by data I don&#x27;t mean &quot;yeah, volcanoes erupt and emit stuff&quot;. You need data that supports your hypothesis, and if you really want to claim a theory, IMHO you need some kind of mathematical model. If all these weekly explanations had data and models to back them, I don&#x27;t think there would be nearly so many.<p>To me this resembles the folks who blame every weather event on climate change. Even if I accept the premise, they look like fools trying to tie warm, cold, erratic, extreme, and calm, all to the the same cause with nothing but simple high level hand waving.<p>Never mind my views on certain topics, doesn&#x27;t all that speculation out in the public view damage the perception of science as a whole? That bothers me.
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guscostalmost 11 years ago
&gt; New research from the University of Washington shows that the heat absent from the surface is plunging deep in the north and south Atlantic Ocean, and is part of a naturally occurring cycle.<p>It&#x27;s acceptable to rush to the conclusion that temperature patterns from the 20th century are driven by anthropogenic influence and declare the matter settled, but when the warming trend doesn&#x27;t continue I&#x27;m supposed to patiently wait for these folks to formulate all manner of alternate hypotheses?
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3JPLWalmost 11 years ago
Here&#x27;s the actual article: <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6199/897" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencemag.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;345&#x2F;6199&#x2F;897</a><p>There&#x27;s also a short review of the state of the literature in this same issue. Well worth a read: <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/345/6199/860.full" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencemag.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;345&#x2F;6199&#x2F;860.full</a><p>(I&#x27;m not sure how much of this content is limited to ivory towers)
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vixinalmost 11 years ago
I believe this is cause #31: others cited include<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/30/list-of-excuses-for-the-pause-now-up-to-29/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wattsupwiththat.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;30&#x2F;list-of-excuses-for-th...</a><p>Main thing is to keep the show (and funding) ticking along nicely. I&#x27;m sure it will.
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nsxwolfalmost 11 years ago
Is there really a hiatus, then, regardless of cause? How does that square with every new year being the &quot;hottest on record&quot;?<p>Edit: I ask because as a casual observer, I had always thought this &quot;hiatus&quot; was denier-speak. But now it seems to be being taken seriously in the articles I see.
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IanDrakealmost 11 years ago
Unlike real science, where a scientist would say, &quot;you know what, we thought our model of X showed promise, but we couldn&#x27;t reproduce our results in reality, so we moved on&quot;, climate scientists seems to say &quot;hmmm, reality isn&#x27;t following our model, where did reality go wrong?&quot;
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DennisPalmost 11 years ago
I can&#x27;t believe anyone actually buys into this idea that there&#x27;s a significant pause. Here&#x27;s a temperature graph of the past couple decades:<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/a-warming-pause/?wpmp_tp=1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.realclimate.org&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2009&#x2F;10&#x2F;a-warm...</a><p>There&#x27;s a long-term trend with a lot of variability year to year. We happened to have a big temperature spike in the late 90s. That doesn&#x27;t mean we had a pause afterwards. Measure from the years just before or just after the spike and it doesn&#x27;t look like a pause at all.
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FranOntanayaalmost 11 years ago
But, doesn&#x27;t it follow that lower temperatures would mean less ice melting, therefore less cold freshwater added to the ocean?
alexyesalmost 11 years ago
Not a very scientific approach. The article starts with a conclusion and then tries to leverage the findings to explain it.
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