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I Went from Grad School to Prison

143 pointsby theoutlanderover 10 years ago

14 comments

mabboover 10 years ago
What does society <i>gain</i> from a prison like that?<p>Imagine a person spends 10 years in that situation, and gets out, what the hell are they supposed to do now? They have no job skills, no life skills, they&#x27;re psychologically damaged. The rate of re-offense isn&#x27;t high because &#x27;bad people are bad&#x27;, it&#x27;s high because we take people in bad situations, and break them further. We take someone almost-functional, and make them completely disfunctional.<p>And anyone who disagrees with this model isn&#x27;t &quot;tough on crime&quot;.
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mcenedellaover 10 years ago
Ms. McMillan was convicted, unanimously, by a jury of her peers. The video of her assault on the police officer is widely available and can be viewed here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=devvY1cCVFE&amp;oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdevvY1cCVFE&amp;has_verified=1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=devvY1cCVFE&amp;oref=https%3A%2F...</a><p>You can draw your own conclusions, but what I see is somebody preparing, consciously, to use the force of slamming their elbow into a police officer&#x27;s face in order to escape from that officer.<p>Perhaps you disagree with a lot of things -- police militarization, incarceration rates in this country, unequal outcomes and opportunities based on socioeconomic factors.<p>But I don&#x27;t see how a fair-minded person can agree that we ought to go around solving our problems by elbowing officers of the law in the eyeball: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/nyregion/officer-testifies-about-encounter-with-occupy-wall-street-protester.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;15&#x2F;nyregion&#x2F;officer-testifies...</a><p>The woman in this case has repeated problems with the law (and the truth) and was arrested again last year for impersonating a lawyer in the subway and interfering with an arrest: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/nyregion/occupy-wall-street-protester-is-out-of-jail-and-back-in-court.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;18&#x2F;nyregion&#x2F;occupy-wall-stree...</a><p>As the prosecutors say in that case: &quot;This new arrest mirrors what was on display throughout the trial: the defendant’s utter contempt for the police and the important job they do on a daily basis.&quot;<p>Fact-free magazines like Cosmopolitan may display sympathy for people like Ms. McMillan, but here at HackerNews we should not.
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nnqover 10 years ago
Name one important person who ended up in jail for more-or-less-violent protesting, and ended up having this as a &quot;self transforming&quot; experience. I can name at least one... <i>Adolf Hitler</i> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Adolf_Hitler</a>) ...and I think Mr. <i>Joseph Stalin</i> followed a similar career path, though I know less about the details (but here&#x27;s a cute mugshot of him: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_Stalin#mediaviewer/File:Stalin%27s_Mug_Shot.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Early_life_of_Joseph_Stalin#med...</a> )<p>So, here you go:<p>Q: How do you severely radicalize a random semi-moderate non-violent protester?<p>A: Send him&#x2F;her to jail.<p>Thankfully this girl kept a cool head and drew a sane interpretation from it, but seriously, what are you Americans trying to do, &#x27;cook up&#x27; the next generation of world-wrecking monsters in some insane social-engineering experiment?!
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ithoughtover 10 years ago
<i>I&#x27;ll agree not to charge you with a felony and potentially lock in you in cage if you agree not to have a third party examine the facts of this case, and instead plead to a misdemeanor and pay a fine.</i><p>Is there any possible reform for the disaster that is the plea system? I realize it&#x27;s necessarily in some situations but the result is you are never not guilty of some crime. The prosecution virtually never loses. Truth and justice are nowhere to be found.
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S4Mover 10 years ago
&gt; The judge didn&#x27;t allow evidence that my attorney wanted to show the jury, including a range of videos of the incident.<p>That&#x27;s the part I find the most shocking in this article. Aren&#x27;t trials supposed to be fair? What are the kind of evidences that are not allowed to be shown?
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davidf18over 10 years ago
I live in NYC and I didn&#x27;t read the entire article, but what stood out for me (beneath the picture) was the $167K per year that each prisoner on Rikers costs NYC!<p>The story of her re-arrest for confronting a police officer in the NYTimes story mentioned in the first comment suggests some underlying contributing psychological issues.
transfireover 10 years ago
One day a civilized nation will look back on America prisons as we now look back on the Bastille.
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auvrwover 10 years ago
the grad school -&gt; prison movement isn&#x27;t new.. i recall a friend who, as far as i know, went from a ritzy grad school to jail based on some fairly radical eco-&quot;terrorism&quot;.... incarceration is a really scary thing, and there&#x27;s a gamut of types there. i have a feeling that this was an experience for the article&#x27;s author for sure, but, although it may be a platitute, i feel as though i ought to say, &quot;it could be worse.&quot;
ryanmarshover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m glad she wrote this. In prison you don&#x27;t just &quot;serve your time&quot;. Instead you are abused and neglected, criminally so.<p>Source: My brother went to prison with a 70 year sentence. He was 17.
dbg31415over 10 years ago
I don&#x27;t love cops, but you don&#x27;t hit cops. No matter what the cop does, you don&#x27;t hit the cop. 58 days... she got off with a slap on the wrist.
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appleflaxenover 10 years ago
prisons in the US are unconscionable. the abuse by guards, the prevalence of prison rape (by an HIV-positive inmate, no less), the capricious behavior by the staff. It is a shameful system.
digitalengineerover 10 years ago
&quot;... And the right to a fair trial...&#x27; Yeah right...
kukabyndover 10 years ago
world done fucked up
guard-of-terraover 10 years ago
Someone should become dead for this.