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VAXen, My Children, Just Don't Belong in Some Places

117 pointsby siganakisover 10 years ago

5 comments

derefrover 10 years ago
Regarding applications to modern software engineering, this parable is basically about operations surrounding architectures that promote long-lived processes and rare reboots (VAX) vs. ones that promote quickly-spawned, ephemeral processes and which rely on reboots for cleanup (Unix).<p>The modern comparison I would make is between the design of scale-neutral twelve-factor apps in language-platforms made for quickly spawning ephemeral processes (&quot;scripting&quot; languages like PHP, Ruby, Node, Lua, or even—in practice—Go)† and the design of &quot;living system&quot; VMs—and languages thereupon—that load and unload modules over time without shutting down (JVM app servers, Erlang, etc.)<p>It&#x27;s okay to effectively &quot;reboot&quot; your Heroku instances to get them into a sane state. Not so with your databases, stateful load balancers, or VoIP servers. They come from two different worlds: one eschews state, while the other owns and manages it.<p>† Notice how all these languages are effectively wrappers around the same paradigm. There&#x27;s a strong sense in which a &quot;scripting&quot; language is just a language that models the world in the Unixine fashion, such that it can be used to glue other Unixine programs together.
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teddyhover 10 years ago
Previously discussed here: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7278408" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7278408</a>
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ethbroover 10 years ago
This is one of those classic internet stories. I assume originally from Usenet. Laughed when I read it 10 years ago on Slashdot, and again today.<p>Here&#x27;s looking at you, ten-years-from-now tech website that will be sharing this with a whole new group of faces!
st3fanover 10 years ago
<i>It was Monday, 19-Oct-1987. VAXen, my children, just don&#x27;t belong some places.</i><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_(1987)" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Black_Monday_(1987)</a>
dredmorbiusover 10 years ago
Is there any support at all for the implication that this anecdote has any more than a humorous and coincidental relationship with the 1987 stock market crash?<p>I&#x27;ve run across this story more than once. It&#x27;s amusing but also more than a little troubling if that is in fact how fragile the global financial system is.
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