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Life outside the lab: The ones who got away

61 pointsby zbravoover 10 years ago

8 comments

turnip1979over 10 years ago
Good read. &quot;One who got away&quot; is a nice subtitle ... it exemplifies the strange relationships we have in academia.<p>The examples given highlight the three sucky things about academic jobs: (i) less money than top-tier alternatives, (ii) insane competition at the start of your career, and (iii) difficulty maintaining work-life balance if you want to be successful.<p>I had heard about (i) before I started my PhD. That didn&#x27;t seem like a big deal since grad school was mostly paid for. I&#x27;d get annoyed when people assumed being a scientist meant that you&#x27;d never get rich. (ii) was a surprise at graduation time (around 2007). At that time, it was said to be the economy&#x27;s fault. Almost a decade later, it is clear that there were structural changes going on in my field. If you were in CS, it was far easier to get a professor job during the first dot-com gold rush since CS enrollments were increasing like there was no tomorrow. Regarding (iii), I think this happens in every field. It matters who your spouse is and how supportive they are. Sometimes you learn to throw in the towel and get a good night&#x27;s sleep. You also need to learn to be efficient. I admit I was not the most efficient graduate student. After working at industry research labs for many years, I am amazed by how much I&#x27;ve changed. I still spend too much time on irrelevant things like writing this comment or reading the article but hey .. no one&#x27;s perfect.<p>Regarding the fields picked by the first two examples, I want to bang my head against a wall for my lack of timing. I missed the dot-com days and the app-rush. Also, before 2007, it was obvious that a finance job paid very well - it was hard work but so is everything worth doing. Today, it isn&#x27;t clear if there are any paths to surefire financial success. In some places I&#x27;ve lived in (outside the US), it seems one of the highest compensating careers was flipping condos. The lesson I learn is to be constantly vigilant of potential opportunities and to strike as soon as possible.
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cryoshonover 10 years ago
There are a few sub-issues here, which the article touches on briefly.<p>First, the pay and benefits are awful. This could be fixed with a cultural attitude shift which favors scientific progress enough to actually incentivize people to do it. The entire &quot;STEM! STEM! STEM!&quot; craze has not been accompanied by increased wages, so it rings cynically hollow.<p>Second, the work-life balance is poor, especially for PhD students and post docs. This could be fixed by reducing expectations and shifting to less of a &quot;publish or perish&quot; mindset when it comes to funding research. Working too many hours is frequently lamented&#x2F;glorified&#x2F;humblebragged about. A lot of these people don&#x27;t have a life outside of the laboratory, and it&#x27;s depressing to think about them because they choose it.<p>Third, the political games are fierce, relentless, and necessary in order to move upward. In academic biology, sideways moves aren&#x27;t really a thing-- you either move upward (which really only happens a couple of times in most careers), or tread water wherever you are. The politics of funding and who to collaborate with are part of the game, and many people get fed up with it very quickly. People are extremely territorial about any kind of resources they have, even if the resources are freely replenishable or effectively infinite. Because so much time must be spent playing politics, leadership figures are frequently uninvolved&#x2F;unreachable while occupied with political matters such as securing funding, collaborations, or new personnel.<p>Fourth, I have observed many instances of a poor work environment. There is always far more criticism than praise in the sciences, and it wears people down. It is a common occurrence that a superior will make a tender-hearted subordinate cry from the extensive criticism of a minor mistake. Part of the scientific process is presenting your work to your superiors and peers, and having them attempt to pick it apart. The gaps in your knowledge will be found by questioning in public. The faults of your experiment will be exposed, and discussed. It&#x27;s humbling, and not in a good way. Science isn&#x27;t particularly meant to be a feel-good enterprise, but the research culture is too vicious.<p>On the other hand, when the life of science is good, it&#x27;s great. Currently I have tons of funding, a good work-life balance, effective leadership, and outrageously interesting research projects. The pay is still awful, and there are still a lot of vicious politics, but there&#x27;s absolutely nothing like being able to plan an experiment, execute it, analyze the results, and then explain your results to others, thereby actually expanding human knowledge in some small or large way. That sensation is what keeps people in science, putting up with the bullshit-- the bad things just don&#x27;t seem so heavy if you&#x27;re one of the people who are electrified by the science.
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cpksover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s usually the smartest ones who get away.<p>Spend 7 years for a chance at tenure?<p>In many fields, spend years in a postdoc for a chance at a tenure-track job?<p>Not smart.<p>The image that the smartest, most promising ones stay in is just false. Most of the cut-offs in academia are crabshoots. Smart people realize that. The intense competition makes for horrific working conditions, at least until tenure. Smart people realize that as well. Some of the competition is based on ability, but a lot is based on politics. Pick a &#x27;hot&#x27; topic. Focus on one field, don&#x27;t do anything interdisciplinary. Make friends with the people who will write letters. Play department politics. Teach just barely well enough -- to leave enough free time for research. Play the grants game. Etc. None of that is fun.<p>So smart people go elsewhere.<p>One of the first things I learned after getting my Ph.D was to go where you were in demand. I switched from my most desirable field to my second (which was more in-demand, and had a younger, more startup culture), and immediately, the amount of respect, independence, flexibility, and just about everything else went up. Difference was like night-and-day.<p>Always be in a position of leverage.
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gpvosover 10 years ago
From the title, I expected something about escaped biological experiments. Ah well, this is interesting too.
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k__over 10 years ago
I like those stories about people doing on thing and then, after years, they start something different.<p>Seems like those kind of lifes aren&#x27;t simply possible in Germany, where I come frome. Studying Chemistry and then going to a bank and tell then you wanna be a investment banker.<p>I already have a struggle with going from software engineering to usability engineering.
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micro_camover 10 years ago
As someone who just left academia for industry a big factor in my decision is that I&#x27;ll actually get to do more of the fun parts of research in industry. Ie develop a system, test it in real world situations and then see it pushed into actual use within the span of a few months and be part of the group that benefits materially from it.<p>By comparison the cycle in academia would be something like come up with an idea, submit grants wait months to hear back while working on other projects, do the work, write it up and submit it somewhere then wait months to hear back again and hope someone reads it and finds it useful.<p>I think this also points at part of the solution: less of a wall between academia and industry and allow people to move more freely between the two. Machine Learning and data analysis is leading the way here with great publications coming out of industry and professors holding positions at companies etc.
lolindian1over 10 years ago
It&#x27;s just what happens in the natural progression of life.<p>You might have started with one field in mind, but life happens. At times decisions are also influenced by sad fact that your field is just too stagnated, or plain toxic, as is the case with medicine.
azurelogicover 10 years ago
This makes sense to me. I did my undergrad work in biochem, and got my masters in computer science. My favorite thing about chemistry was figuring out organic synthesis steps on paper. I later realized that writing code to manipulate systems and data allowed me to scratch this same itch.