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Sway: A new presentation application from Microsoft

275 pointsby vtboseover 10 years ago

47 comments

OrwellianChildover 10 years ago
Impressive for a number of reasons, many of which relate to the presentation&#x2F;promotion of a Microsoft product:<p><pre><code> - Not a single Microsoft reference in the entire landing page - Broad use of Apple iPhone and iPad devices alongside normal PCs with no special acknowledgement - Product focus on readability&#x2F;usability across many platforms, OS&#x2F;device-independent - Broad integration of sharing hooks across Google, Twitter, FB, etc. </code></pre> This represents a pretty dramatic departure from the siloed approach MS usually takes. It&#x27;s pretty refreshing!
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ycitmover 10 years ago
Interestingly it looks like the &quot;sways&quot; do a lot of their layout calculations on the server. Resizing the window triggers a call back that returns what looks like a bunch of styling information (this div goes here, with this Z index, etc.) which would ordinarily be left to the browser.<p>Perhaps this allows them achieve more than they could with the browser&#x27;s layout engine? Certainly an interesting approach.<p>(edit: wording)
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fiatjafover 10 years ago
It is funny how &quot;Seamless integrate with social networks&quot; is considered a huge feature in any product or service anywhere, and it is a just a button to share some link to Facebook or Twitter, where it will be totally uninteresting.
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spbover 10 years ago
God damnit, <i>another</i> &quot;this looks really cool in a demo but has no actual practical application&quot; showcase project from Microsoft.<p>Flashy animations, incredibly purpose-specific widgets, and interactive graphs? Check.<p>Video showing kids and families using the app to look up &#x2F; compile trivia, for something nobody has ever actually done or would have any reason to do in real life? Check.<p>&quot;Social integration&quot; as a selling point? Check.<p>Microsoft: <i>stop making this shit</i>, like Office Assistant or Microsoft Bob, thinking it&#x27;s a way of selling your platform to &quot;the average user&quot;. The problem you want to solve is &quot;customers aren&#x27;t buying enough Microsoft products&quot; - the problem you have in solving it is <i>you think users say &quot;I&#x27;m not buying enough Microsoft products&quot;, too</i>. That is <i>not</i> the problem that <i>they</i> are looking to solve.<p>People only say &quot;that&#x27;s something interesting I could play with&quot; when they&#x27;re trying to convince <i>themselves</i> to buy something they don&#x27;t need (like a Quadcopter, or anything &quot;as seen on TV&quot;) - it seems Microsoft&#x27;s target audience for the last decade has been exclusively the kind of consumer who <i>looks for reasons to buy Microsoft products</i> (in other words, Microsoft employees).
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johnchristopherover 10 years ago
I still hold the opinion that good typography and simple layout beats semi-interactive animated pages made up of static content (ie: graphs with real time update).
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bhartzerover 10 years ago
Tried to get an &#x27;invite&#x27; and they send an email asking you to Tweet about it for a better chance to get an invite. Seriously?!?
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jasodeover 10 years ago
Some comments here express some head scratching on what exactly Sway is. I only saw the demo video like everyone else so I don&#x27;t claim to know definitively but here&#x27;s my take on where Sway fits.<p>It looks like we&#x27;re in a general upward trend of <i>richer interactive documents</i> created by <i>average users</i>.<p>Some observations of the zeitgiest that look unrelated on the surface but nevertheless, seems to point towards a common desire for dynamic user-controlled &quot;documents&quot;:<p>-- Javascript d3.js embedded in stories, blog articles, etc that engages readers to &quot;play&quot; with data (Mike Bostock is a good example of interactive pictures for New York Times) [1],[2]<p>-- Mathematica CDF (Computable Document Format) with things like sliders, etc to let the user control how the data changes[3]<p>-- Bret Victor&#x27;s various demonstrations for dynamic content [4]<p>-- many more examples, etc. I cant remember but play on this theme<p>Right now, there isn&#x27;t an interactive document format (or interactive content creation tool) that dominates the way Microsoft PowerPoint dominates for the old-style static stuff.<p>If one has the skills, one can write d3.js type presentations but obviously, the typical PowerPoint jock isn&#x27;t not going to learn javascript like Mike Bostock.<p>Before d3.js, if I personally wanted to write any interactive charts for presentation and <i>embed that interactivity inside a document</i> that managers could review offline, I&#x27;d create an Excel spreadsheet + add some GUI slider controls + add some Visual Basic code to react to sliders to update the spreadsheet.[5] Unfortunately, any xls (xlsm) file with a macro throws up all sorts of scary security warnings when a user open the xls file. It&#x27;s just very clunky to share this type of doc.<p>It&#x27;s hard to tell from the demo, but it seems like Sway is also a tool to author content intended for <i>non-linear</i> exploration. (Whereas PowerPoint or MS Word docs are consumed in <i>linear</i> fashion ... PgDn, Pgdn, etc). Therefore, some of its features would overlap with an eLearning-creation tool like Adobe Captivate[6].<p>In short, I believe the market is trying to sort out how to empower <i>averager users</i> to make dynamic presentation content. The d3.js, the Excel macros, the Mathematica CDF, etc are tools that are too specialized and meant for experts. This is why the demo commercial emphasized a young child creating materials instead of an adult programming expert. It&#x27;s the &quot;<i>so easy a child could do it</i>&quot; type of narrative.<p>I can&#x27;t tell from the demo if the content created would be 100% cloud stored and delivered. I would think that Sway would also have the capability to create self-contained document files. I can think of big customer like the USA government not using it if it&#x27;s cloud only. The government loves their Powerpoint presentations. The government also has tons of locked down computers without internet access that share Powerpoints so a 100% cloud-Sway product would be a no-go.<p>EDIT ADD: after looking at sway website again, I finally noticed that they have 6 example Sway presentations (&quot;Sways we love&quot;). None of those examples have any interactive data features that I could detect. On the other hand, the video @ 34 secs shows the woman manipulating a chart. The 6 example docs are not that impressive; they just look like a bunch of jquery sliding animations instead of representing the dynamics I see in the video. Maybe I&#x27;m overestimating what Sway actually can do. If it&#x27;s just a program with a bunch of themes for sliding animations and adjustable grids that resize to desktop or mobile screens, that would be a huge disappointment.<p>[1]<a href="http://bost.ocks.org/mike/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bost.ocks.org&#x2F;mike&#x2F;</a><p>[2]<a href="https://github.com/mbostock/d3/wiki/Gallery" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mbostock&#x2F;d3&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gallery</a><p>[3]<a href="http://reference.wolfram.com/language/howto/CreateAComputableDocumentFormatFile.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;reference.wolfram.com&#x2F;language&#x2F;howto&#x2F;CreateAComputabl...</a><p>[4]<a href="http://worrydream.com/#!/MediaForThinkingTheUnthinkable" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;worrydream.com&#x2F;#!&#x2F;MediaForThinkingTheUnthinkable</a><p>[5]<a href="http://chandoo.org/wp/2013/08/06/how-to-create-a-then-vs-now-interactive-chart-in-excel/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;chandoo.org&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2013&#x2F;08&#x2F;06&#x2F;how-to-create-a-then-vs-now...</a><p>[6]<a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/captivate.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.adobe.com&#x2F;products&#x2F;captivate.html</a>
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thrushover 10 years ago
Someone at Microsoft is reading these comments and sighing a huge &quot;finally&quot;
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gordon_freemanover 10 years ago
Based on the preview video, I liked Sway for following reasons: -- Device&#x2F;Platform agnostic (can be used on iOs &amp; more) -- Do research within the application can be a great user experience (assuming MS will allow options to integrate Google, DuckDuckGo as well along with default Bing for search) -- Quickly sharing dynamic document online and with anyone via link. -- Can start putting away draft document at the event itself can be good to note down ideas.<p>Overall, I am pleasantly surprised that it came from Microsoft who I feel having still very old static office products such as Word and Powerpoint.
ravinderover 10 years ago
I think even more interesting to see is a &quot;Feedback&quot; link in the header (visible after you sign in using the link on top right) which is asking users to vote&#x2F;suggest on new product features. Coool!
drivingmenutsover 10 years ago
1. Interesting that they showed an Apple logo on the back of the iPad (it would be hard to hide that it was an iPad), but no evidence whatsoever of any Microsoft mobile device (does a laptop count?)<p>2. I kinda want that umbrella.
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menssenover 10 years ago
I disagree with the comments complaining that the &quot;Sways we love&quot; are just a bunch of sliding jQuery animations and therefore unimpressive.<p>Say what you will about whether or not it&#x27;s a good idea to promote the longevity of the &quot;scroll and things happen when you scroll&quot; user interface trend, somehow making it possible to build those interfaces with user-friendly tools is impressive.<p>Think about it like this: Powerpoint is easy and widely used because it involves placing objects on a static, bounded, rectangular space, kind of like a piece of paper.<p>On the other hand, coming up with some way to drag and drop a user interface element that I can only refer to as &quot;that thing where there is a big image that fits the screen, and when you scroll it to to the top of the screen it stops, and then it fades out, and then the next section of text scrolls over the big image, and then when you scroll to the bottom of the text the image starts scrolling off the screen again&quot;, and then really making building that kind of interface element understandable in some kind of editor interface, would be pretty incredible.
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Artemis2over 10 years ago
This is very neat!<p>It looks like PowePoint presentations, redesigned to be viewed by people on their computers instead of being projected in front of an audience.
iwafflesover 10 years ago
Swaw reminds me of <a href="http://storehouse.co" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;storehouse.co</a>
giancarlostoroover 10 years ago
Looks like OneNote met PowerPoint and had a baby.
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greyskullover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised they didn&#x27;t show this on Windows devices in the video.
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prezjordanover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s like scrolling through molasses for me :) 15&quot; retina MBP.
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emehrkayover 10 years ago
At first I was like &quot;this just looks like a fancy reveal.js (),&quot; but as the video played it begin to look like a fleshed out mag+(<a href="http://vimeo.com/8217311" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;8217311</a>) which is damn damn cool from Microsoft. If you can do this with html, imagine the text books you could author. Imagine uprooting that industry with $50 tablets that can offer rich experiences like this
BruceIVover 10 years ago
So, I skimmed a couple of the example &quot;Sways we love&quot;, and I have to say, all the whizzy animations just make me think of all those horrible PowerPoint presentations anyone just learning does. I don&#x27;t find the addition of flat UI to that overabundance of animations makes it any less distracting and unprofessional looking.
dunderover 10 years ago
Some examples,<p><a href="https://sway.com/red_panda" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sway.com&#x2F;red_panda</a><p><a href="https://sway.com/greening_my_thumb" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sway.com&#x2F;greening_my_thumb</a><p><a href="https://sway.com/northwest_aquarium" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sway.com&#x2F;northwest_aquarium</a>
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barbarianover 10 years ago
Whoa; So we&#x27;ve been working on our start-up, <a href="https://qwilr.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qwilr.com</a> - for the better part of a year; with the notion of &quot;Documents For The Web&quot; as our guiding principle from day-dot.<p>Is this competition? I can&#x27;t really tell.
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robmccollover 10 years ago
Heading in the right direction, but still needs work. The rendering and layout don&#x27;t work correctly in a window sized to 1920 x 2160 - things are getting clipped and the scrolling jumps 1&#x2F;8th of the image, then to the next image.
rnernentoover 10 years ago
This looks cool but I&#x27;m not blown away by the ad on any level. I don&#x27;t feel like I have a good idea of what sway is or does. Is it powerpoint? Is it for making websites? How did it actually help that guy make his octopus umbrella?
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Tooover 10 years ago
Huh, <a href="https://sway.com/fabrikam" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sway.com&#x2F;fabrikam</a> is just a simple static website but with nice typography and a broken scrollbar.
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ForHackernewsover 10 years ago
This reminds me a lot of Prezi: <a href="http://prezi.com/_ueivw8ad8xx/prezi-demo/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;prezi.com&#x2F;_ueivw8ad8xx&#x2F;prezi-demo&#x2F;</a>
Cybershamblesover 10 years ago
Hey Microsoft, where can I buy one of these octobrella?
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nhangenover 10 years ago
Sounds like I need to have a meeting with my attorney:<p><a href="http://buildsway.com/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;buildsway.com&#x2F;</a>
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Grue3over 10 years ago
The keyboard navigation is ridiculous. Why do I press <i>up</i> to move to the next slide???
alexrufover 10 years ago
It kind of reminds me of a modern Google Sites clone...but that OK. Looks cool!
sytelusover 10 years ago
Did anyone observed there were no bullet points in these presentations?
startupfartdownover 10 years ago
I want to see a comic book made with this
webwanderingsover 10 years ago
Blogging and publishing platform.
steeleover 10 years ago
Looks like an evernote input to WinJS output
rubyfanover 10 years ago
Can I be first to say... &quot;huh&quot;?
georiover 10 years ago
Prezi!
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thrownaway2424over 10 years ago
How have they rigged this page so that keyboard scrolling doesn&#x27;t work? And why would anyone do so?
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joshkpetersonover 10 years ago
Why do product videos with high production value always make me want to vomit
thrushover 10 years ago
:)
serve_yayover 10 years ago
Huh, not bad!
mherdegover 10 years ago
Is this Moorea? I can&#x27;t tell.
frevdover 10 years ago
Epic fail like Encarta, monolithic, proprietary and ugly.
ciroduranover 10 years ago
I got a feeling that MS reinvented Google Wave... maybe they can do it correctly this time.
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paul9290over 10 years ago
Wait the 1st subject In this video seems to be using an iPhone???<p>If I&#x27;m not mistaken Microsoft is In the phone business too...
vermootenover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m embarrassed on Microsoft&#x27;s behalf for that video.
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sklivvz1971over 10 years ago
I don&#x27;t get the point of this. It&#x27;s like iPhoto but worse... or maybe like Powerpoint but less functional: loaders, bad UX, blurry pictures, clearly lacking features (eg. export?)<p>Is it their attempt at <a href="http://lab.hakim.se/reveal-js" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;lab.hakim.se&#x2F;reveal-js</a>?
lukemanover 10 years ago
Ad seems a tad optimistic given the examples you can view are kind of awful. I get that not everything is going to be professional and polished when it hits the real world, but this can&#x27;t be one of your three &quot;sways we love&quot; at product launch: <a href="https://sway.com/red_panda" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sway.com&#x2F;red_panda</a>
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crazychromeover 10 years ago
Business wise, i feel the product is not well targeted. Maybe MS has enough $$ to push it everywhere but for whom exactly this product is designed? for pro-consumers to create contents? i doubt. for the purpose of communication?seems overweight. maybe the best use case is for kids to do their course work. I&#x27;m a little bit of disoriented. Seems to me MS wants to re-invent the multimedia doc creation tool (which imho never really took off).<p>I think the big question is if people value presentation over contents. If people in general values contents (or refrained presentation) then Sway probably going to lose, and Medium going to win.