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Docker and Microsoft partner to drive adoption of distributed applications

445 pointsby julien421over 10 years ago

25 comments

amarrajaover 10 years ago
This is hands down the best news I have heard in the MS development space in a long long time.<p>We have 3 apps over 32 servers and 5 environments, and operationally it&#x27;s like pulling teeth. This has the chance to change everything!
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nickstinematesover 10 years ago
Nick Stinemates @ Docker here. I run BD&#x2F;Tech Alliances. A lot of blood and sweat went in to this one! I&#x27;m here to answer any questions you may have about the announcement, the details, or anything about Docker.
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jimmcslimover 10 years ago
Also announced by Microsoft:<p><a href="http://news.microsoft.com/2014/10/15/DockerPR/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.microsoft.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;10&#x2F;15&#x2F;DockerPR&#x2F;</a><p>&quot;Microsoft Corp. and Docker Inc., the company behind the fast-growing Docker open platform for distributed applications, on Wednesday announced a strategic partnership to provide Docker with support for new container technologies that will be delivered in a future release of Windows Server.&quot;<p>I strongly suspected that Windows Server vNext would have some sort of &#x27;container&#x27; support after the wild success of Docker.
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Rapzidover 10 years ago
Reading the comments, this is the official announcement of the bifurcation of the docker ecosystem. This completely shatters docker&#x27;s original promise of a universal application container. Now we will have standard gauge cars that won&#x27;t run in the South. Maersk containers that can&#x27;t be shipped on MSC.<p>Congratulations to MS though, I think this is a good initiative. Not sure why you even need a partnership with docker TBH as they didn&#x27;t create the underlying OS technologies that make containerization possible on Linux.. But, with the acquisition of Mojang it is apparent MS is placing a lot of emphasis on acquiring mind share.
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micah_chattover 10 years ago
Theoretically I&#x27;m guessing this could enable multi-platform gaming? Ex: &quot;Download this docker image, and play our game: Windows or Linux, or boot2docker Mac!&quot;<p>Secondary, a native Darwin Docker server would be killer.<p>The mobile implications could be huge if this made it out of Windows Server.
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valevkover 10 years ago
Would be awesome to have Microsoft Office as Docker container.
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megaman821over 10 years ago
What would a base Windows image look like, just a PowerShell prompt? How would you use the build file to install your dependencies without a package manager?
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johngossmanover 10 years ago
John Gossman from Microsoft here. I&#x27;m an architect on the Azure team and have been working with Nick and others from Docker. Happy to answer questions.
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randomsearchover 10 years ago
Great move for MS.<p>Not sure this is a good idea for Docker though. Doesn&#x27;t it mean they lose their focus on Linux? Seems to complicate things a lot, and potentially introduce conflicts when prioritising what to do next. Simple is good. Serving a closed source operating system looks unwise, given the nature of their business.
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ed_blackburnover 10 years ago
This has been coming for a while, because it screams common sense..however with Microsofts previous I&#x27;m still a little surprised.<p>I wonder if Steven Sinofsky would have been game for this?<p>A lot of Windows developers use commercial Windows for development (i.e. Win7) with these features I anticipate more developers using (the more expensive) Windows Server.<p>If your build output could be a container (VS build process?) that you can ship, or as in a lot of &quot;enterprise&quot; organisations pass on to QA &#x2F; UAT then this is a big deal and a massive huge step.
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NicoJuicyover 10 years ago
How does the licensing work for Docker (Apache2 license, i know... It&#x27;s more about the pricing behind it) together with Windows? I can&#x27;t seem to find any info about this. I don&#x27;t assume Windows is suddenly free of charge. The Windows virtualization licensing isn&#x27;t obvious anyway: <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.microsoft.com&#x2F;licensing&#x2F;about-licensing&#x2F;virtualiz...</a>
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tkubackiover 10 years ago
Things like this make me wonder if Windows (Server) ecosystem will be able to compete with Linux in long term.<p>I do realize corpo-world is filled with Windows Servers now but it seemed Linux&#x2F;Docker could change this with containers as a &#x27;standardized server app format&#x27; with super easy provisioning process.<p>Now since Windows will get more or less the same - Linux&#x2F;Docker and Windows&#x2F;Docker will compete on tools and raw perf.
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geertjover 10 years ago
Does this change one of the fundamental tenets of docker, namely that docker images are portable (thanks to the linux kernel providing a very high degree of backwards compatibility).<p>In order words, will there now be Windows images and Linux images, and Windows images will run on Windows hosts and Linux images on Linux hosts?
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ilakshover 10 years ago
It mentions extending Docker to support numbers of distributed Docker containers. I am building a PaaS around Docker so can I get a hint how that will work? I would rather add value than duplicate an existing effort.<p>Is it something like an integration of Mesos, Fig and Docker?
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discardoramaover 10 years ago
Is this the &quot;embrace&quot; step of &quot;embrace, extend, extinguish&quot;?
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alisnicover 10 years ago
very smart move from Microsoft&#x27;s part.
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mrmondoover 10 years ago
I really hope this doesn&#x27;t distract from Linux development - there are a number of bugs that have been hanging around for some time without updates now.
yarrelover 10 years ago
Partnering with Microsoft [almost] never ends well.<p>Good luck to Docker.
Akkumaover 10 years ago
I wonder how this will impact spoon.net, since they recently launched their windows container tech.
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edwintorokover 10 years ago
The site apparently only accepts RC4 as the cipher, I get: Error code: ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap
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tonypleeover 10 years ago
What kind of Windows server&#x2F;kernel features does Docker need&#x2F;want&#x2F;like from MS?
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hamiltontover 10 years ago
DockerHub-based Windows Package Manager - coming soon to an OS near you
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jokoonover 10 years ago
microsoft has been cornered for a long time, it has lost many ooportunities, glad it&#x27;s not reacting.
antocvover 10 years ago
Worst news ever.<p>Docker people will spend more time fixing and making bugs due to Microsoft, the documentation will become a mess (it cant possibly be same documentation for that different systems), the Linux-side of docker will be more mediocre compared to what it could have been if all effort went to it.<p>Remember Internet Explorer 6, Visual Basic, the horror that is Excel and the whole Office suite, Asp.net, Windows Millenium, The attempt to kill Linux by Microsoft through SCO.
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SlipperySlopeover 10 years ago
Microsoft is going about this the wrong way. They should adopt GNU&#x2F;Linux, supporting containers, file systems, etc. as their kernel, and then add the proprietary Windows layer on top, e.g. WINE.<p>Otherwise existing Dockerfiles will not build on Windows - right?
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