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Apple Built A SIM Card That Lets You Switch Between AT&T, Sprint, And T-Mobile

376 pointsby calvin_cover 10 years ago

26 comments

IkmoIkmoover 10 years ago
Probably the most interesting thing from Apple today, in my opinion. The ability to buy short term plans from different providers effortlessly can turn my tablet into a much more versatile device, and increase competition and reduce long-term carrier lock-in.<p>It&#x27;s pretty sweet and if it can set a standard for phones then we&#x27;ll see carriers become true utilities between which customers can switch easily if they get poor service. In short, pretty awesome.<p>Today&#x27;s carrier system kind of feels like this dinosaur, like a landline... archaic and unnecessary. With so many people travelling, changing places, changing technology etc, it makes a lot of sense to move from subscriptions to short-time payments, and eventually, pay-per second of use on the fly, directly, without an account or monthly statement, with a push payment instead of a pull payment. (digital currencies being a key element here). Anyway, getting a bit too off-topic here, but cool first move by Apple for sure!
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apayanover 10 years ago
Apple filed a patent on this Virtual SIM card in 2011. More info here: <a href="http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2011/11/apple-introduces-us-to-the-virtual-sim-card.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.patentlyapple.com&#x2F;patently-apple&#x2F;2011&#x2F;11&#x2F;apple-in...</a><p>The linked article suggests it&#x27;s a method to save space in the hardware design so the SIM is not user serviceable. However, it also forces you to only buy data service from Apple approved carriers. Notice in the screen shot from the OP&#x27;s article that Cricket or any of the more affordable MVNO&#x27;s are not available as options.<p>This change is just as much about control over where you spend your carrier dollars (and, possibly, Apple getting a kickback) as it is about saving space.
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davbover 10 years ago
I really don&#x27;t like the sound of this. The SIM card is the one thing that keeps mobile service relatively divorced from the hardware. I can keep the same phone but change SIM whenever it suits. I can also take change hardware and just move the SIM.<p>I don&#x27;t need to ask my provider or hardware OEM for permission. I have control. In the Apple scenario I&#x27;m giving this up. I vaguely remember some wrangling with GSMA over this.<p>Ultimately, as with many Apple products, we&#x27;ll be trading control for convenience.
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maximumoverloadover 10 years ago
I admit, as an European, I see no point to this.<p>If you want a new SIM card, and you don&#x27;t have a contract, just buy a new SIM card and put it in your phone &#x2F; tablet.<p>If you have a long-term contract, this won&#x27;t help you anyway.<p>Where is the catch? (Sorry if I am sounding stupid)
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BuildTheRobotsover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m slightly amazed at the awed coverage this is getting.<p>As others have pointed out, multi-IMSI SIM cards are nothing new, though points to Apple for getting the network carriers on board and sharing keys.<p>Getting a replacement SIM card is not a problem (certainly not in the UK). Most of the networks will happily post you out one for free and you can buy them for virtually no money in all phone shops, most supermarkets, market stalls... everywhere -even in this tiny backwater technophobic village where I work.<p>My worry is that this is the start of a path down to devices having embedded SIM cards that are not user replaceable, or even have no SIM at all and just use the secure storage module built into the chipset. This seems like a bad hole to be heading down as it would directly take choice and power away from the end user.
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silveiraover 10 years ago
In Brazil people have been using things like these for about a decade. <a href="http://www.dx.com/p/triple-sim-cards-adapter-for-iphone-4-4s-yellow-194250#.VEA3p611ZRg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dx.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;triple-sim-cards-adapter-for-iphone-4-4s...</a>
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gcb0over 10 years ago
that probably overrides&#x2F;ignores the SIM card and use hardcoded GSM ids from the device. as if it has a sim slot plus 3 hardcoded sim, that you can select which one to use on software.<p>so i doubt you will be able to activate those hardcoded sims with any plan that easily. i doubt you will even be able to activate it without apple help.<p>but of course, im just guessing. have no idea if that is the case.
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hazmatterover 10 years ago
Actually this feature is not Apple exlusive.<p>I created a little project that allows remote usage of multiple SIM cards as a Software-SIM on MTK based Android phones. Forward the commands via TCP from a modified Baseband-firmware. This means you could e.g. have multiple SIM cards for your business trip without changing the card in your phone. Also malicious people could steal your SIM authentication if you use a vulnerable Android phone and use it:<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6_mZyQdEuU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=V6_mZyQdEuU</a><p><a href="https://github.com/shadowsim/shadowsim" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;shadowsim&#x2F;shadowsim</a>
Evolvedover 10 years ago
I pay $176&#x2F;month for 3 lines with AT&amp;T and all 3 lines still have the unlimited data @$30&#x2F;month on them. I can buy 3 subsidized iphone 6s for $600+tax total ($200 each) or I can buy them each at $650. The price per month works out to about $27&#x2F;month per phone. Will AT&amp;T knock $27 off per month per phone if I buy them outright? The answer is no. I&#x27;ve talked to supervisor after supervisor about it and there is no discount if I upgrade and buy the phone outright up front. So I ask, where&#x27;s the incentive?<p>AT&amp;T is by no means perfect but given all the traveling I&#x27;ve done and my experiences with Verizon and T-Mobile (never tried Sprint) I&#x27;ve found that AT&amp;T and Verizon are interchangeable and T-Mobile is not quite on the same level.<p>I know my rate plan hasn&#x27;t become more expensive when I upgrade so how can I expect that it will become cheaper if I bring my own device?
akandiahover 10 years ago
The concept is called multi-IMSI. It&#x27;s been possible to do this for a while now.
wyover 10 years ago
This is really an interesting feature (let&#x27;s say &#x27;feature&#x27; at this moment). Actually, in person, I do really consider this is an tremendous improvement for any carrier-required mobile devices.<p>It makes mobile devices really &quot;mobile&quot;. Customers do not have to physically enter a local carrier store to add a new line&#x2F;data-plan or transfer to another carrier. It might save a great amount of time and efforts especially when traveling overseas.<p>Hope it came to iPhone in near future. Due to the easiness of switching carriers, hope it would help bringing down prices.
defenover 10 years ago
So with this tech, how long until Apple starts offering MVNO services? And eventually completely destroys whatever profit margins the current operators have?
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deadweight3over 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve known about this for a while, though I don&#x27;t remember my source. I seem to recall that it was first envisioned under Jobs, and AT&amp;T started swinging punches when they caught a whiff. Although the source appears solid in hindsight, I chalked it up to a subterfuge project. Can anyone who has since left confirm this was the same initiative?
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burnover 10 years ago
Wow this is a serious game changer, I was thinking about this the other day. I would be great to be able to turn off and on a sim card in your smartphone. So if you were using an iPhone and wanted to use your Android phone you just turned the iPhone sim off and used your android phone without having to call and de-activate it everytime.
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hayksaakianover 10 years ago
Why would they NOT talk about this today?<p>It baffles me.
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jlaroccoover 10 years ago
How does this work?<p>I have an iPhone 5 with Sprint, and I thought I was more or less locked in because they used CDMA. I thought I would need a new phone if I wanted to switch to anything else.<p>Would love to know I&#x27;ve been wrong and can switch without buying out my contract and buying a phone...
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Animatsover 10 years ago
Why not have a phone with three SIM card slots? Avoid the kickback from the carrier to Apple.
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seanmcdirmidover 10 years ago
When I was in Thailand, one carrier had the ability to co-opt my China unicom SIM and provide service there. I don&#x27;t think my SIM was a soft one, I think they were actually co-opting the numbers!
ChuckMcMover 10 years ago
Interesting they don&#x27;t mention Verizon. They do mention that participating carriers are subject to change though, so presumably they can add (or delete) carriers from the device.
jpkeisalaover 10 years ago
I remember some years back Nokia made software SIM but it disappeared from the radar probably due Telcos pressure. Glad we get something to that direction finally.
wlesieutreover 10 years ago
Does it work with prepaid, or just contracts? If you could just temporarily swap over to T-Mobile&#x27;s $30 prepaid unlimited data, that would be a big deal.
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tapsboyover 10 years ago
With Multipath TCP across multiple LTE networks, this could enable substantial improvement in network performance.<p>Edit: I meant it as a future possibility
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rbcgerardover 10 years ago
This will be great for people who have different mobile phone #&#x27;s in different countries if it evolves that far...
kleptcoover 10 years ago
This is about trading carrier lockin for apple lockin, that&#x27;s all.
lurkinggrueover 10 years ago
But makes it harder to switch devices... Nice one Apple.
airencrackenover 10 years ago
This is less about switching providers more easily and more about preventing users from modifying even the SIM card. Apple wants you to never open or modify the device in any way possible.