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Marc Andreessen Annotates Paul Krugman's Amazon Op-Ed

27 pointsby lawsohardover 10 years ago

11 comments

lmg643over 10 years ago
Wow. Talk about an advertisement for the ineffectiveness of annotations. I&#x27;ve got comments from multiple different authors on here simultaneously - who are all these people? I was interested in Marc&#x27;s annotations - talk about bait and switch.<p>For complex subjects, this is a great example of why single-author critiques are best, so you can follow a single person&#x27;s train of thought and their logical conclusions (or errors).<p>This particular debate strikes me as pretty juvenile in both directions - by Krugman, and his critics. Marc gets &quot;closest to the pin&quot; for me when he says &quot;if Amazon was a monopoly, it would be raising prices.&quot; Of course, that&#x27;s not to say any big company can&#x27;t overplay its leverage in &quot;supplier negotiations&quot; and this is surely something worth discussing. Marc is also right that the judgment here is a lot more nuanced than standard oil owning 60% of the market.<p>Going a little deeper on the Hachette dust-up, it&#x27;s really interesting that the chattering classes never took much of an axe to Amazon&#x27;s reputation until it tread on their turf - book publishing! All the waylaid mom-and-pop stores were just hicks who had it coming. Protecting the fat advances paid to big name authors - that is sacrosanct - part of the rewards that go with public life these days, and part of the corruption IMHO.<p>I will end with Glazer&#x27;s beginning - &quot;Krugman nearly always gets it right...but this is very wrong.&quot; I find that this Amazon critique is easier to contextualize if you shift that understanding - Krugman is frequently wrong about many things, and this Amazon article fits neatly with that overall trend.
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snewmanover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure how impressed I am by Marc&#x27;s arguments. For instance:<p>&gt; Another classic Krugman rhetorical maneuver. According to Paul, keeping prices low is a sign of monopoly power, but of course he’d also say that keeping prices high would also be a sign of monopoly power.<p>This seems silly. Krugman doesn&#x27;t say that Amazon&#x27;s low prices are a sign that they <i>have</i> monopoly power. He&#x27;s saying that Amazon uses low prices to <i>acquire or maintain</i> (&quot;reinforce&quot;) monopoly power (&quot;dominance&quot;).
gahahahaover 10 years ago
I can&#x27;t imagine that this stuff is legal - the NYT has paid Krugman to write this, and Genious is just copying the text and adding a few (to my mind inane) links and comments. It all seems very shady..
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ohaziover 10 years ago
Am I the only one who thinks that inline responses usually end up making the replying author sound childish and petty?
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StefanKarpinskiover 10 years ago
Is it just me or is the Genius interface kind of confusing? Is there any way to see just Marc Andreessen&#x27;s comments and not the comments of a bunch of other randos too?
Tloewaldover 10 years ago
I always find it amusing when someone snipes at someone else&#x27;s writing and still comes off second best.
TillEover 10 years ago
This format is terrible for both usability (click click click click) and general coherence. A plain old fisking would be vastly superior.
kirinanover 10 years ago
Andreessen makes some really excellent points in there, but there a few that just strike me as incorrect:<p>&gt; Another classic Krugman rhetorical maneuver. According to Paul, keeping prices low is a sign of monopoly power, but of course he’d also say that keeping prices high would also be a sign of monopoly power.<p>Yeah its both. You can be a monopoly by having ridiculously high or low prices, mainly its really low then really high and if you think Amazon wouldnt raise everything by 100$ if it could, you&#x27;re just wrong.<p>&gt; It will startle every single business owner and CEO in the world to learn that negotiating with suppliers is now a business tactic that is “out of line”.<p>No negotiating is smart. Strong arming is wrong. Amazon is strong arming people not negotiating. They are playing the game where if you don&#x27;t agree with what they are doing they are taking their toys and leaving. This causes economic harm to the company because of Amazon&#x27;s volume to the point where the publishers have to use Amazon&#x27;s terms which is monopolistic power.
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MaysonLover 10 years ago
I wonder if diapers.com had been an Andreessen investment if his take on Amazon would be the same?
driverdanover 10 years ago
&gt; Krugman is one of the most important writers and the world, and nearly always gets it right.<p>I stopped reading right there.
CyberDildonicsover 10 years ago
Marc Andreesen getting trolled by Paul Krugman, a modern master of trolling.