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Ask HN: Is the semantic web still a thing?

178 pointsby syskover 10 years ago
A few years ago, it seemed as if everyone was talking about the semantic web as the next big thing. What happened? Are there still startups working in that space? Are people still interested?

31 comments

iricktover 10 years ago
The semantic web is now integrated into the web and for the most part it&#x27;s invisible. Take a look at the timeline given in this post: <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3983179" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=3983179</a><p>Some of those startups exited for hundreds of millions, providing, for example, the metadata in the right hand pane of Google search.<p>The new action buttons in Gmail, adopted by Github, are based on JSON-LD: <a href="https://github.com/blog/1891-view-issue-pull-request-buttons-for-gmail" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;1891-view-issue-pull-request-buttons...</a><p>JSON-LD, which is a profound improvement on and compatible with the original RDF, is the only web metadata standard with a viable future. Read the reflections of Manu Sporny, who overwhelmed competing proposals and bad standards with sheer technical power: <a href="http://manu.sporny.org/2014/json-ld-origins-2/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;manu.sporny.org&#x2F;2014&#x2F;json-ld-origins-2&#x2F;</a><p>There&#x27;s really no debate any more. We use the the technology borne by the &quot;Semantic Web&quot; every day.
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andybakover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m still waiting for a comprehensive rebuttal to Cory Doctorow: <a href="http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.well.com&#x2F;~doctorow&#x2F;metacrap.htm</a><p>Just to clarify - I don&#x27;t think his arguments demolish all aspects of the case for &#x27;the semantic web&#x27; (however ill-defined that term is) but if he&#x27;s right then it severely circumscribes the kind of content that will ever have useful metadata.<p>At the same time, we are getting better at inferring context without needing metadata. There is so much more data coming from this source (i.e. the &quot;sod metadata, let&#x27;s guess&quot; methodology) than from &#x27;intentional&#x27; semantic sources.<p>So - semantic markup will never be of use unless the content is coming from a source where the metadata already exists. It will largely be useful to &#x27;database&#x27; styles sites rather than &#x27;content&#x27; style sites. Think directories and lists rather than blogs and articles.<p>(Question to front-end types. Are people still agonising over section vs aside, dl&#x2F;dt vs ul&#x2F;li under the impression that it makes any damn difference? Angels dancing on the head of a pin...)
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mqsiuserover 10 years ago
The company of my professor went bankrupt in 2012 (Ontoprise). Not sure if they dissolved totally by now.<p>AI failed (again). I never understood where &quot;Intelligence&quot; lies if the only thing you can do is infer: If A --&gt; B &amp; B --&gt; C, then also A --&gt; C (&quot;we don&#x27;t do anything else since that won&#x27;t be <i>logic</i>&quot; &amp; then bloating it and naming it &quot;Reasoner&quot;).<p>If you can&#x27;t spin of quickly from academic ideas (like Google search) it will just be ongoing research binding masses of people on the wrong things (to pursue). Don&#x27;t tell me they chose to,... still influenced and finding out later that it wasn&#x27;t worthwile.<p>Academia thought it&#x27;s the next web, but it wasn&#x27;t. The Web 2.0 was the next web then, leaving the semantic web in the dust.<p>&quot;When I see the semantic web (of trust) be done (properly), this is basically when I can retire&quot; (Tim Berners-Lee ~2004).<p>Just my (honest) thoughts (as s&#x2F;w who spend a significant amount of time on RDF&#x2F;OWL et al at university).
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pudoover 10 years ago
For what it&#x27;s worth, I spent last month trying to use RDF tooling (Python bindings, triple stores) for a project recently, and the experience has left me convinced that none of it is workable for an average-size, client-server web application.<p>There may well be a number of good points to the model of graph data, but in practice, 16 years of development have not lead to production-ready tools; so my guess is that another year will not fix it.<p>Here&#x27;s a write-up: <a href="http://pudo.org/blog/2014/09/01/grano-linked-data.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pudo.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;01&#x2F;grano-linked-data.html</a>
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brandonbover 10 years ago
Peter Norvig put it best: &quot;The semantic web is the future of the web, and always will be.&quot;<p>(For what it&#x27;s worth, the startup school video that quote comes from is worth watching: <a href="http://youtu.be/LNjJTgXujno?t=20m57s" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;LNjJTgXujno?t=20m57s</a>)
tckrover 10 years ago
Absolutely. Given the constant progress in extending schema.org and new works like JSON-LD and Hydra (<a href="http://www.markus-lanthaler.com/hydra/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.markus-lanthaler.com&#x2F;hydra&#x2F;</a>) I think we are (slowly) aproaching a state where we will see adoption of semantic schemas in APIs and website in a wider scale.
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joostdevriesover 10 years ago
The way I see it that technology has been on the cusp of being succesful for a long time.<p>What the reasons are is largely a matter of opinion. In my opinion there are several possible reasons: - the &#x27;semantic&#x27; idea of &#x27;strong&#x27; modeling of the world lost out to a competing approach that uses probabilistic models. The latter models don&#x27;t require coordinated effort by humans and thus scale better. - the semantic approach also suffered from academicians myopically going over the same millimeters of theory for decades. And losing sight of matters of practicality. - The fundamentals of the semantic technology seem rather brittle to me. With that I mean that a tiny difference in the reasoning axioms can make the whole reasoning intractable. That might be anti-tethical to the &#x27;tinkering until it works&#x27; approach that software engineers often use. - Somehow a broady applicable killer application didn&#x27;t turn up. But that&#x27;s a result as much as it might be a reason.<p>There&#x27;s still use for the technology though. If you need to unify data that follows subtly different datamodels I&#x27;d be hard pressed to think of an alternative. Which makes me wonder whether intelligence agencies use the technology. F.i. I remember a reference given by Oracle of the US Geospatial Intelligence Agency using their quad store. The new moniker &#x27;linked data&#x27; emphasises this aspect. Government agencies do struggle with having to relate data that are obviously related but conceptually, legally subtly different. And they do spend quite some attention on linked data. They seem to stay mostly within the RDFS realm and do not stray into more interesting OWL applications. But even in government circles I get a whiff of the solution-looking-for-a-problem vibe that hounded the semantic web for so long.
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baneover 10 years ago
A bit of background, I&#x27;ve been working in environments next to, and sometimes with, large scale Semantic Graph projects for much of my career -- I usually try to avoid working near a semantic graph program due to my long histories of poor outcomes with them.<p>I&#x27;ve seen uncountably large chunks of money put into KM projects that go absolutely nowhere and I&#x27;ve come to understand and appreciate many of the foundational problems the field continues to suffer from. Despite a long period of time, progress in solving these fundamental problems seem hopelessly delayed.<p>The semantic web as originally proposed (Berners-Lee, Hendler, Lassila) is as dead as last year&#x27;s roadkill, though there are plenty out there that pretend that&#x27;s not the case. There&#x27;s still plenty of groups trying to revive the original idea, or like most things in the KM field, they&#x27;ve simply changed the definition to encompass something else that looks like it might work instead.<p>The reasons are complex but it basically boils down to: going through all the effort of putting semantic markup with no guarantee of a payoff for yourself was a stupid idea.<p>You can find all kinds of sub-reasons why this was stupid: monetization, most people are poor semantic modelers, technologies built for semantic system generally suck and are horrible (there&#x27;s pitifully few reasoners built on any kind of semantic data, turns out that&#x27;s hard), etc.<p>For years the Semantic Web was like Nuclear fusion, always just a few years away. The promise was always &quot;it will change <i>everything</i>&quot;, yet no concrete progress was being made, and the vagueness of &quot;everything&quot; turned out not to be a real compelling motivator for people to start adding semantic information to their web projects.<p>What&#x27;s actually ended up happening instead has been the rebirth of AI. It&#x27;s being called different things these days: machine learning, heuristic algorithms, whatever. But the point is, there&#x27;s lots of amazing work going into things like image recognition, context sensitive tagging, text parsing, etc. that&#x27;s finding the semantic content within the human readable parts of the web instead. It&#x27;s why you can go to google images and look for &quot;cats&quot; and get pictures of cats.<p>Wikipedia and other sources has also started to look more structured than it previously was, with nice tables full of data, these tables have the side benefit of being machine AND human readable, so when you look for &quot;cats&quot; in google&#x27;s search you get a sidebar full of semantic information on the entity &quot;cats&quot;: scientific name, gestation period, daily sleep, lifespan, etc.<p>Like most things in the fad driven KM world, Semantic Web advocates are now simply calling this new stuff &quot;The Semantic Web&quot; because it&#x27;s the only area that kind of smells like what they want and is showing progress, but it really has nothing to do with the original proposal and is simply a side-benefit of work done in completely different areas.<p>You might notice this died about the same time &quot;Mashups&quot; died. Mashups were kind of an outgrowth of the Semantic Web as well. One of the reasons that whole thing died was that existing business models simply couldn&#x27;t be reworked to make it make sense. If I&#x27;m running an ad driven site about Cat Breeds, simply giving you all my information in an easy to parse machine readable form so <i>your</i> site on General Pet Breeds can exist and make money is not something I&#x27;m particularly inclined to do. You&#x27;ll notice now that even some of the most permissive sites are rate limited through their API and almost all require some kind of API key authentication scheme to even get access to the data.<p>Building a semantic web where huge chunks require payment and dealing with rate limits (which appear like faults in large Semantic Networks) is a plan that will go nowhere. It&#x27;s like having pieces of your memory sectioned off behind tolls.<p>Here&#x27;s TBL on this in 2006 - <a href="http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/262614/1/Semantic_Web_Revisted.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;eprints.soton.ac.uk&#x2F;262614&#x2F;1&#x2F;Semantic_Web_Revisted.pd...</a><p>&quot;This simple idea, however, remains largely unrealized.&quot;<p>There&#x27;s a group of people I like to call &quot;Semanticists&quot; who&#x27;ve come to latch onto Semantic graph projects, not as a technology, but as a religion. They&#x27;re kind of like the &quot;6 minute ab&quot; guy in &quot;There&#x27;s Something About Mary&quot;. They don&#x27;t have much in the way of technical idea, but understand the intuitive value of semantic modeling, have probably latched onto a specification of some sort, and then belief caries them the rest of the way &quot;it&#x27;ll change everything&quot;.<p>But they usually have little experience taking semantic technologies to successful projects (success being defined as not booting up the machine and loading the graph into memory, but actually producing something more useful than some other approach).<p>There&#x27;s then another group of Semanticists, they recognize the approaches that have been proposed have kind of dead-ended, but they won&#x27;t publicly announce that. Then when some other approach not affiliated with the SW makes progress (language understanding AI for example) will simply declare this new approach as part of the SW and then claim the SW is making progress.<p>The truth is that Doctorow absolutely <i>nails</i> the problems in his essay &quot;Metacrap&quot; <a href="http://www.well.com/~doctorow/metacrap.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.well.com&#x2F;~doctorow&#x2F;metacrap.htm</a><p>He wrote this in 2001, and the issues he talks about <i>still</i> haven&#x27;t been addressed in any meaningful way by professionals working in the field, even new projects routinely fall for most or all of these problems. I&#x27;ve seen dozens of entire companies get formed, funded and die without addressing even a single one of these issues. This essay is a sobering measuring stick you can use to gauge progress in the field, and I&#x27;ve seen very few projects measure well against any of these issues.<p>Semanticists, of both types, are holding the entire field back. If you are working on a semantic graph project of <i>any</i> kind and your project doesn&#x27;t even attempt to address any of these things through the design of the program (and not through some policy directive or modeling process) you&#x27;ve failed. It&#x27;s really hard for me to believe that we&#x27;re decades into Semantic Graph technologies and nobody&#x27;s bothered to even understand 2.5 and 2.7.<p>If your plan to fix problems you&#x27;re experiencing with your project, the reason it isn&#x27;t producing useful results, is to &quot;continue adding data to it&quot; or &quot;keep tweaking the semantic models&quot; you&#x27;ve failed.<p><a href="http://semanticweb.com/keep-on-keepin-on_b41339" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;semanticweb.com&#x2F;keep-on-keepin-on_b41339</a><p>&quot;The Semantic Web is not here yet.&quot;<p>No, I&#x27;ve rethought this, the SW is not like Fusion, it&#x27;s more like Communism.
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mindcrimeover 10 years ago
<i>What happened?</i><p>The Semantic Web happened, and is still happening. But most people don&#x27;t notice, because the Semantic Web isn&#x27;t, for the most part, about being visible to end users. But every site using microdata, microformats, RDFa, etc. <i>IS</i> part of the Semantic Web.<p>Google, Yahoo, Bing, etc., are all using elements of the Semantic Web.<p>Just because the average end-user isn&#x27;t writing SPARQL queries doesn&#x27;t mean the Semantic Web isn&#x27;t around.<p><i>Are there still startups working in that space?</i><p>We are. I just gave a presentation on using Semantic Web tech in the enterprise at All Things Open last week, and a related talk at the Triangle Java User&#x27;s Group earlier in the week, where we showed off a lot of the ways we are using the SemWeb stack.<p><i>Are people still interested?</i><p>Judging from the response to the two talks I just gave, I&#x27;d say yeah.<p>For more on my take on this topic, see:<p><a href="http://fogbeam.blogspot.com/2013/11/dominiek-ter-heide-is-dead-wrong.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fogbeam.blogspot.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;11&#x2F;dominiek-ter-heide-is-de...</a>
georgespencerover 10 years ago
Tantek is still alive, if that&#x27;s what you mean.<p>Jokes aside: microformats started to get pretty good traction, but the biggest challenge (as I see it) has always been adoption in software, rather than encoding the data itself.<p>Flock was the great white hope in this space for a browser which (somewhat sensibly) used the semantic web to enrich people&#x27;s lives, but there wasn&#x27;t really a killer app for it. It did a lot of interesting stuff, but none of it was omfg can&#x27;t live without youuuuu.<p>If browser vendors start building great features to take advantage of the semantic web, then developers will start adopting and consumers will start [tacitly] demanding it.<p>Interesting point: if you go back to the SciAm article which kickstarted a lot of interest in the semantic web amongst relative laypeople, then you&#x27;ll find that actually it&#x27;s not dissimilar to where we are today, but we are getting there without the semantic web.
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charlysistoover 10 years ago
Good ideas don&#x27;t always follow a linear path. The buzz around semantic web probably didn&#x27;t mesure at the time all the obstacles it would find on its way. Agreeing on categories is one of them but IMHO, the biggest one is legacy content and the inertia it carries on change.<p>I use dbpedia on a toy project and really appreciate it although I only use a very shallow portion of its possibilities. And it&#x27;s still very brittle on the edges. Also I don&#x27;t see it taking any momentum if it&#x27;s not embraced by more of the big content players.<p>An interesting question would be : would semantic web favor google ? It would certainly help it index content but wouldn&#x27;t also deprive it from its search monopoly ?
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sgt101over 10 years ago
In 2003 I was in an EU project (Agentcities) that did interoperability demonstrations for distributed knowledge applications. We had to develop and use ontologies for ticketing, transport - and a few other similar things.<p>My honest expectation was that building these ontologies would take about a week of group effort. As I remember it we were still at it months later.<p>This convinced me that the SW was a bust. Moreover one of the roadblocks we hit was very illuminating to me.<p>Creating the ontologies and onward development&#x2F;extension of them was hard because the tools were so poor (also other things like it is just... hard) but the lack of tools was widely noted as a clear issue.<p>No one did anything about it. We had protege then, and lo it is so now.
Thizover 10 years ago
Semantic web was replaced by an API.<p>See, people was tryimg to ram information down the throat of the presentation layer, and what for if our eyes were never to see it?<p>If you need meaning, ask for it gently, an API will provide it. And leave html alone.
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coldteaover 10 years ago
It was never a thing, outside of some fringe companies (academic spin-offs and the like) and some academic research inspired by Tim Berner&#x27;s Lee&#x27;s ideas.<p>Oh, that, plus, the misappropriation of the term &quot;semantic&quot; by the designer community for BS like working with DIVs instead of TDs and having hierarchical document sections in HTML documents (ad-hoc per website), something that never gave any particular advantage, not even for screen readers (which were from the start designed to cop with the mess that document structure in the real world is).
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bastawhizover 10 years ago
One of the biggest barriers to the semantic web is the barrier to entry. Scraping web pages are hard. Parsing HTML (which probably doesn&#x27;t validate) is hard. Extracting semantic meaning from parsed HTML is hard.<p>Even once you&#x27;ve piled on the libraries and extracted the bit of information that you need, what do you do with that data? You process it a bit and store it in some kind of data structure. But at this point, you&#x27;ve could have just pinged the website&#x27;s API and gotten the same data (and more) in a data structure.<p>It turns out it&#x27;s a heck of a lot easier to return a blob of JSON than it is to process text in markup on a page. And smaller, as well: JSON often takes up far less space than the corresponding markup for the same content. That&#x27;s a big deal when you&#x27;re processing a very large amount of information.<p>There&#x27;s the promise that AI will someday make this easier: if you eliminate the parse-and-process-into-a-data-structure step and just assume that an AI will do that part for you, you&#x27;re in good shape. But that&#x27;s nowhere near being a practical reality for virtually all developers, and APIs eliminate this step for you.<p>Even if you use something like HTML microdata, there&#x27;s very few consumers of the data. Some browsers give you access to it, but that doesn&#x27;t make it extremely useful: if you generated the data on the server side, why not just make it into a useful interface? Or expose the data as raw data to begin with? Going through the extra effort to use these APIs is a redundant step for most use cases.
sktrdieover 10 years ago
As a beginner semantic web researcher I believe it is very successful. Just came back from an international semantic web conference [1] where a variety of useful, interesting and important things have been presented.<p>I want to stress that the semantic web will probably always be a more academic field rather than &quot;the next big thing&quot;. Similar to the artificial intelligence field or other academic fields that don&#x27;t always have to lend themselves to &quot;help industry make more money&quot;.<p>Nonetheless lots of our technologies are being used by industry (startups and enterprises). But again, our success doesn&#x27;t depend on industry adoption. It depends on how useful the things we research about are from a research point of view - which is sometimes more theoretical.<p>As an example, most semantic web people think RDF is a more useful model than ad hoc data models because we care about generality and serendipitous reuse of data. Industry rather cares more about simple and efficient and fast tools.<p>All in all I hope some of our findings can be useful to industry and adopted by many startups but I hope we&#x27;ll always find a niche where we can do things that industry can&#x27;t afford to do. In a way, semantic web exists as an academic field precisely because it&#x27;s unexplored by industry. If it were widely used, perhaps we&#x27;d never need academic fields as industry would take over. I hope that never happens for the semantic web.<p>1. <a href="http://iswc2014.semanticweb.org/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;iswc2014.semanticweb.org&#x2F;</a>
jacquesmover 10 years ago
Nobody will ever agree with anybody else on what the right hierarchy is for any given set of metadata so I think that hierarchies will eventually die off. But tags are metadata too and they are getting more and more common. They&#x27;re unstructured in many ways (and therefore messy) but they do a pretty good job where hierarchies failed to gain good traction.
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hocuspocusover 10 years ago
As someone who had to implement PoC&#x27;s using semantic web at a big company, I&#x27;d say it&#x27;s still limited to academia and very specific fields in the industry (like bio-medical research).<p>On an anecdotal note, no recruiter has ever contacted me because of these particular keywords on my LinkedIn profile.
kriroover 10 years ago
Not sure about the semantic web as defined but there&#x27;s quite a bit of metadata in some places. Last time I checked a full tweet was 4kb in size which is quite a lot for 140 chars of text :)<p>If metadata is useful it will be used but pre-emptively adding semantic information to everything seems pretty unlikely.
bemusedover 10 years ago
<a href="http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~rapaport/676/F01/icecreamontology.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cse.buffalo.edu&#x2F;~rapaport&#x2F;676&#x2F;F01&#x2F;icecreamontolog...</a>
paddeover 10 years ago
Wikidata is a good example where &quot;semantic web technology&quot; is really useful, imo.<p><a href="http://www.wikidata.org" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wikidata.org</a>
blablabla123over 10 years ago
Like 10 years ago some people said Web 3.0 will be either the Internet of Things or the Semantic Web.<p>IoT is becoming a reality, both technology wise but also financially. But Semantic Web? Some ideas of it are there but I think we are not there yet.<p>FWIW the W3C has several standards for semantic information and there are even more in progress. I&#x27;m having the impression though that the field is still heavily academia focused.
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math0neover 10 years ago
Google has recently started to embed some semantic elements into search results: <a href="http://googleresearch.blogspot.ca/2014/09/introducing-structured-snippets-now.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;googleresearch.blogspot.ca&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;introducing-struct...</a>
kirkyzover 10 years ago
The semantic thing - modelling language nodally - is inevitable. if you get it - it is simple - the question is when. tools will enable nodal linking as standard when the need to communicate becomes blinding. today google has their internal nodes as we all see - and how powerful its intelligence grows by the day as a result of their nodal step change. but it will not be the only creator of coherence - it will not want to be - as that is stupefying. We all need external predication (not by unstructured text alone - although I note that text is our evolved method of creating a node - just a little rougher than a GUID.) Tools to link will be created so information points can fluidly relate to each other. If we talk to computers today, why will they not talk to each other tomorrow. Is that far away? So then we must just ask if the SW framework is well conceived. Personally I like the simplicity and power of attribute value, and an ID that I can relate.
rainhackerover 10 years ago
Digital Enterprise Research Institute (DERI) in Ireland specializes in semantic research: <a href="http://www.deri.ie/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.deri.ie&#x2F;</a>
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CmonDevover 10 years ago
People suddenly decided that languages designed for no more than interactive documents are good enough for apps. We need to wait until the js.MVC craze fades as it should.
oneloopover 10 years ago
Big data kinda reduced the need for it. People figured that its easier to bring the masses to the computers than the computers to the masses.
robobenover 10 years ago
was it ever a thing outside of an university?
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auggieroseover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s funny, I asked exactly the same question in a seminar about 2 weeks ago. The answer I got was, there are about 500 researchers assembling to talk about it (somewhere in Italy, I think), why don&#x27;t you ask them?
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eskimoblooodover 10 years ago
Whats about facebooks open graph?
Fannonover 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve looked into Semantic Web Technologies for a year now and trying to come to a personal conclusion at the moment. This is my current state, through some of this may be premature:<p>PRO:<p>* I can see that the semantic annotation part of it is spreading. Schema.org &#x2F; JSON-LD might be the first pragmatic solution that I can imagine actually getting more widespread acceptance. Especially if currently existing Frameworks &#x2F; CMS add support by default.<p>* Semantic Annotations are helping big companies like Google to make their products smarter and this is happening right now.<p>* Semantic Web tries to solve some real problems, not just &quot;academic&quot; problems. Information and Knowledge is indeed rather unconnected which reduces its value tremendously. Right now APIs grow to make this mor accessible, but there are many problems unsolved.<p>* SemanticWeb has some truly interesting ideas and concepts, that I&#x27;ve grown to like. Of course nearly every one of them could work without buying the whole Semantic Web. But still, I think some very interesting ideas come out of that community.<p>CON:<p>* It takes a lot of time to understand the Semantic Web correctly and learning about the technologies behind gets soon very mixed up with a lot of complicated and rather uncommon concepts, like Ontologies.<p>* The tools (even Triplestores) feel awkward and years behind to what I&#x27;m used to as a web developer. There are a LOT of tools, but most seem to be abandoned research project which I wouldn&#x27;t dare to use in production.<p>* It gets especially complicated when entering the territory of the Open World Assumption (OWA) and the implications that has on reasoning and logic. Say you want hard (real-time) validation because data is entered through a form on a website. Asking some people from the Semantic Web Domain, the answers varied from &quot;I don&#x27;t know how to do this&quot; up to &quot;Its complicated, but there is some research... , additional ontology for that...&quot;. I&#x27;m kind of shocked since this is one of the most trivial and common thing to do in the web. And I really don&#x27;t want to add another complex layer onto an already complex system just to solve simple problems. Something&#x27;s wrong with the architecture here.<p>* OWA might be interesting, but most applications &#x2F; databases are closed world and it would make many things very complicated to try fit it into the Open World Logic. OWA is an interesting concept and makes sense if you are building a distibuted knowledge graph (Which is a huge task and only few have the ressources to do it), but most people will want to stay closed world just because its much more easy to handle. The Semantic Web seems to ignore reality here and prefers to be idealistic, imho.<p>* This sums up to me to one big problem: The Semantic Web Technolgies provide solutions to some complex problems, but also make some very easy things hard to do. As long as it doesn&#x27;t provide some smart solutions (with a reasonable amount of learning &#x2F; implementation time) to existing problems, I don&#x27;t see that it will be adopted by the typical web developer.<p>* There are not enough pragmatic persons around in the community, that actually get nice things done that produce that &quot;I wan&#x27;t that, too!&quot; effect.