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We Make Mistakes

310 pointsby katmover 10 years ago

46 comments

tomasienover 10 years ago
I never got into Y Combinator (I think I applied 4 times but I&#x27;m not sure) but I&#x27;m now the CEO of a rapidly growing, well funded startup that actually SERVES an increasing number of YC companies. The way I always thought about YC was that it is ALWAYS worth applying because the exercise is good and the upside is high (and the downside minimal) but getting into YC should never be &quot;part of your plan&quot; - there are too many other great applicants, plain and simple.<p>It&#x27;s the same as how no student should ever PLAN to get into Harvard, and Harvard even has SATs and GPAs to rely on (fairly objective stats around which you can make a guess about your odds) while YC has only heuristics based on experience and founder reputation. Never judge yourself based on something that has an open application process - it doesn&#x27;t define you, it defines them. No reason not to apply, but take it as a bonus if you get in, don&#x27;t take it personally if you get rejected.
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flipsideover 10 years ago
7th rejection, doesn&#x27;t even phase me anymore. :P<p>For those with less experience, the disappointment will pass. Take a day if you need to reflect on what you&#x27;re doing, why you&#x27;re doing it and how you could do it better.<p>Rejection is fuel for the fire, use it to burn brighter going forward.<p>Next time, be so good they can&#x27;t ignore you, simple as that.
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damurdockover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m reminded a bit of <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bvp.com&#x2F;portfolio&#x2F;antiportfolio" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bvp.com&#x2F;portfolio&#x2F;antiportfolio</a>, a collection of companies that applied to Bessemer Venture Partners for VC funds, were denied, and went on to make it big.
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vishnuprover 10 years ago
A relevant question I asked PG a year ago: [Do you review rejected YC apps to find startups who then made it big?] - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7122774" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=7122774</a>
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onuryavuzover 10 years ago
This was our first time, and we are rejected. (<a href="http://cubic.fm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;cubic.fm</a>)<p>During the application process I started to realize, YC asks all the right questions. Just trying to find proper answers is a huge step forward for the first timers, like us. We learned a lot.<p>I think, the only thing that missing is the feedback loop. I&#x27;m aware of the fact that there are more applicants than YC could accept, or provide a feedback. But after all, we still need a feedback.<p>After I saw the rejection email, first I planned to share our application in HN to get feedback from the community. But now I see this is a need for all the rejected applicants. I&#x27;m not sure what could be a better way for closing the feedback loop. Maybe, there&#x27;s a start-up idea in here somewhere :)
zeeshanmover 10 years ago
Anyone feeling down should read Ev William&#x27;s story from &quot;Founders at Work&quot; on how he had to create, recreate, and recreate his team at Blogger. There was an year when he was the only one running Blogger when the entire team left. It is truly inspiring!<p>Great things can happen when you&#x27;re low on budget and there are numerous entrepreneurial stories about those early days. Sometimes it is much needed to go through the early struggles to come out even stronger in the end.
waterlesscloudover 10 years ago
&quot;In this cycle we saw a +40% increase in the number of companies applying over the Summer 2014 batch.&quot;<p>Yikes! That&#x27;s a major increase in applications. Has that number always grown that fast?<p>I wonder what the saturation point will be...
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Fandoover 10 years ago
There are more applicants than YCombinator could accept (or anyone could accept if you look at it in scale). Someone should create a social-media type website for YCombinator applicants (or anyone) to share their stories, meet, interact, network, learn, and collaborate on new and existing ideas. Imagine how many start-ups would be &quot;born&quot; like this. Think of how many great ideas don&#x27;t get in or simply don&#x27;t apply, think of how BIG this community could grow to be in a short time - it would grow by itself. Look at what Kickstarter is doing. Think of how many new comers this type of stepping stone would benefit and help achieve their ideas. Starting this community is possible by creating a great website that creatively engages members to collaborate. Let YCombinator (and anyone else) endorse it - first to members of the y-community then others. In fact &quot;y-community&quot; should be the name of it. We all know that out kind already burn with passion, desire and creativity. With minimal guidance from YCombinator it could succeed faster - passionate desires of those not-accepted will continue to burn and be fostered. Eventually, and this is speculating perhaps, if YCombinator becomes somewhat involved, with so many start-up communities popping-up in every city and country, this website, could grow to become the &quot;Facebook&quot; of start-ups. (only it would also be productive :) But seriously.
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taytusover 10 years ago
First rejection but I have a smile in my face. I did it, I had the courage to apply. So... yeah I&#x27;m happy.
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AustinPythonFTWover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m definitely speaking at least a little bit out of bitterness (our team just got rejected), so with that caveat it feels like YC is becoming more like traditional VC (venture capital): - extremely low probability of success just due to volume of applications - no feedback (again, due to volume of applications, and they posted a nice blog post about this, but just stating a fact) - it seems (I don&#x27;t have any factual evidence to back this up, would love to be proven wrong through factual evidence) that you need to know someone - tendency to fund those who need it the least (already-proven user traction or revenue)<p>YC is a for-profit, private enterprise that can do whatever it wants, and it is in the business of maximizing income, so it would be foolish for the organization not to act in a self-interested way, but just calling it like I see it (and again, it&#x27;d be great if there were any stats the organization could release to disprove any of the points above, but I understand that it has no obligation to do so).
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Udoover 10 years ago
Damn, I was thinking about trying for a &quot;late&quot; application, but apply.ycombinator.com seems to be down.<p>Does anyone know if they still allow this, in principle? Or are batches now so saturated (with good ideas) that they dropped the option?
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KetciaThachover 10 years ago
Been rejected , but been viewed by 6 people (alumni&#x2F;or YC) and it is a victory for us for a first time. In the end it is all about what resonate the most to them, YC has its agenda if you dont fit in it , doesnt mean you&#x27;re bad or your idea is not smart enough. It means you don&#x27;t fit . That&#x27;s all. We will keep on working and apply in 6 months or just never apply again and make it work on our own. And I think the worst case would have been to be accepted by YC and fail once I got out of it ... which happens a lot !! :) Thanks for all YC
ninajluover 10 years ago
Got in this batch on our second time applying. First time we applied with an idea: now we have a product and customers. In retrospect I think the initial rejection was reasonable.
lubosover 10 years ago
If you want to get into YC, it&#x27;s quite simple.<p>You have to optimize for what they want and considering how transparent the application process is, it&#x27;s actually quite easy. PG&#x27;s essays are step-by-step guides on how to &quot;tick&quot; all the right boxes. They even give you the list of ideas they <i>wish</i> to fund. How nice of them... No wonder YC has announced that quality of applications is increasing. It&#x27;s not increasing because startups are getting better. It&#x27;s increasing because more startups are optimizing.<p>Remember Nikki Durkin from 99dresses? She didn&#x27;t just apply. She spent huge amount of time researching partners, their history, what they liked, what they wanted to hear... and she has delivered just that like a rockstar. How many promising founders are rejected because they just didn&#x27;t bother to optimize like Durkin?<p>To me, if you get rejected, it just means you didn&#x27;t put enough time into the application. If your goal is to get into YC, then keep trying, you will figure it out.<p>But in the end, if you are real entrepreneur, figure out what you are doing with your business. Don&#x27;t optimize for YC, just do what you&#x27;ve got to do and if YC wants to join you for a ride, then fine. If not, too bad for them.
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graycatover 10 years ago
The start-ups that are of the most interest are necessarily exceptional and significantly different from start-ups in the past, successful or not. Thus, evaluating start-ups when looking for the ones of most interest is challenging, and evaluations via simple, empirical patterns from the past promise to select a lot of straw and miss some golden needles.<p>Really the challenge here is common, nearly standard, and a very old story that goes back to nothing less than the <i>Mother Goose</i> children&#x27;s story &quot;The Little Red Hen&quot;: What the hen was doing was unusual and, therefore, not in the experience of others. Thus, no one would help her. But when she had hot, fragrant loaves of bread freshly out of her oven and eager, hungry, paying customers lined up to buy, lots of people were ready to <i>help</i>. But in the interim she had to work alone with just her own evaluation, creativity, and determination. No doubt that story is in <i>Mother Goose</i> because the situation was both common and ancient.<p>What is needed are better means of evaluating projects. For a special, relatively small, collection of projects, there are such means, highly polished, e.g., for grant applications to NSF, NIH, and DARPA, similarly for Ph.D. dissertation proposals, and also for a huge range of US DoD projects, e.g., the SR-71, the F-117, GPS. Generally these projects and their evaluations have much better <i>batting average</i> than Silicon Valley equity funded information technology start-up projects.<p>Maybe what Silicon Valley is doing is making money, and the YC $30+ billion is astoundingly impressive, but one major success can be worth $300 billion, 10 times as much, so that we have to suspect that better evaluations could lead to better returns.
MarkyPc3over 10 years ago
Last I applied as a single founder I got an interview. Now I have a cofounder and made significant progress but our application didn&#x27;t earn us an interview (the second time applying with this idea.) Perhaps I took something for granted when i applied this time so the app turned out weaker or disappointing but I realize how lucky I was to get feedback last time as opposed to none at all now.
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chacham15over 10 years ago
Is it just me or does the application to YC feel like a pitch to an investor? I understand that for very specific cases they might be different in that they can see some early potential. However, if you&#x27;re not one of those lucky few, then it feels like if you&#x27;re at the point where you can convince YC to invest, you&#x27;re already not too far from being able to convince an investor to invest. E.g. I&#x27;ve gotten the advice from multiple people at or affiliated with YC: &quot;get users and show growth&quot;. But, for me specifically, if I had users and growth already, there is little more that the money that YC would help me raise can do. If I got into YC earlier, I would have hired people to help build the product which people want. Yes, there is a lot of work to grow post product, but in my case, money wouldnt really help that much (my case is desktop software, so I dont really need more server capacity or have scaling issues like other companies do).
MCRedover 10 years ago
One of the things that I&#x27;ve found so challenging about applying for accelerators is that it&#x27;s difficult to find examples of companies that got in or that didn&#x27;t get in, and what they did for their applications. Every time I have come across one, I&#x27;ve learned a bit - like &quot;that didn&#x27;t work&quot; or &quot;that was a great idea&quot; - around how they apply, pitch themselves or their product, etc.<p>Anyone who was rejected want to share any of their application info, like team or product demo videos, or their website and a one line pitch? I know you might not want to for competitive reasons, and I understand.<p>But there&#x27;s always things we can learn from each other, so if you want to share I&#x27;m sure I&#x27;m not the only one who would appreciate seeing what didn&#x27;t work. :-)
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michaelchisariover 10 years ago
First application, got rejected. Honestly happy it happened now instead of after the interview. It gives me more time to think about what&#x27;s next.<p>My startup is movie industry related, so maybe Los Angeles would be a better place to be. I&#x27;ll post the startup site here when we launch.
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7Figures2Commasover 10 years ago
&gt; Don’t let funding take your eye off the goal: making something people want. Everything else, including going through Y Combinator, is there to support that goal but is not the goal itself.<p>It would be interesting to see a chart plotting over time the number of applicants in each batch who have applied to YC multiple times. Based on the number of folks here on HN who have apparently applied multiple times, and for different concepts no less, it seems plausible that a not insignificant percentage of the applicant pool now consists of folks who, contrary to YC&#x27;s own advice, are more focused on getting accepted into YC than building a real business.
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qoppover 10 years ago
The whole process makes seems to make some people feel like it&#x27;s asking someone out or trying out for a play (i.e. the video interview, etc) so I can see why people can take it so harshly.<p>Your application&#x2F;video&#x2F;product could be flawless and literally solve world hunger but the process isn&#x27;t objective as all that. In the end they just pick a handful of people out of all the applications that they want to invest in.<p>I&#x27;m sure that most applications there was no reason at all that they chose not to accept them. They just didn&#x27;t.
jaksmitover 10 years ago
&quot;In this cycle we saw a +40% increase in the number of companies applying&quot; — roughly how many applications were there? 1000? 10,000?<p>Also, how many teams make it to the interview stage?
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BillionaireBearover 10 years ago
Dissapointed, got very positive feedback from an alum prior to applying. But alas, that was not enough. :) I do find that international founders are at a distinct disadvantage due to lack of networking opportunities (which definitely plays a big part when each application probably receives 5 minutes per reviewer). That said - you could argue that any great entrepreneur would not allow that to be a barrier hehe!<p>Best of luck to everyone who has an interview and those who don&#x27;t.
iamjodayover 10 years ago
Hi Friends,<p>I&#x27;ve just received rejection email from Ycombinator... :( Though I realize, how competitive it gets to get in, its not the start one expect for their product or idea...<p>while, I am working on to make my product, I would appreciate if fellow community members can help point out ares of improvement in my product,<p><a href="http://joday.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;joday.com</a><p>Thanks for your time! I really appreciate it!<p>Nish Founder, Joday.com
ececconiover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s easier to imagine that YC can&#x27;t take all of the good companies that apply if you imagine they could only pick one company out of 10,000 applying. The goal should be to build a great company using whatever resources and networks of people you have available. Not just gaining entry here.
useriumover 10 years ago
As many here told, the process of applying is valuable in itself.<p>Our application was rejected, but you can sign up for a beta invite here: <a href="https://userium.com/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;userium.com&#x2F;</a> Soon 400 sign ups and counting. :)
fsoroushover 10 years ago
We haven&#x27;t received any response yet... Anybody else NOT received a response ?
pptr1over 10 years ago
&quot;Don’t let funding take your eye off the goal: making something people want. Everything else, including going through Y Combinator, is there to support that goal but is not the goal itself.&quot; Exactly...
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doddavenkatappaover 10 years ago
We too got the rejection letter. But it is perfectly understandable in our case as we are really in the early stages, without a prototype.<p>Any thoughts on how much a prototype and full-time commitment from all founders matter?
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rudeboy347over 10 years ago
Thank you YC. I hope to be in the batch one of these days.Congrats to the successful applicants. For those who were rejected, reflect, revaluate and reapply.
paul9290over 10 years ago
I&#x27;m curious to how many founders in this batch are...<p>- Over 35<p>- Female<p>- African American<p>Edit: My post here is to gauge if the needle of progress in our industry is moving forward in the terms of race, age and sex.
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gueloover 10 years ago
Does YC get every single early startup applying now? Why would an early startup not apply? Seems like it&#x27;s almost a requirement now.
viksitover 10 years ago
Does this include late apps? Curious about the decisions on apps that came in hours or days after the 8p deadline.
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stevephillipsover 10 years ago
This sounds pretty honest and heart felt.
pardeepgover 10 years ago
I have not received any response from YC yet. should we wait or contact YC for application status?
qazawy1001over 10 years ago
you make mistakes and we will remember.<p>btw, it just might be sour grapes, but i get the feeling yc app process is highly gamed right now and being rejected by it is not useful enough information to act on for the founders - which is the hallmark of a good investor.
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charendyover 10 years ago
I think is time you guys dig into Africa, the fast growing emerging market.
bozoUserover 10 years ago
do the co-founders also get the email? I dont see one in my inbox yet..
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yunnnyunnnover 10 years ago
Thanks YC
monsterixover 10 years ago
This is the exact case of a crowded doorway [1] we discussed almost two years ago on HN: Higher the number of applications implies higher the perceivable quality of YC applications. Implies higher the probability of riskier bets to fall through.<p>What&#x27;s potentially dangerous about this situation is that quite a few glossy low-risk companies will outdo the more riskier ones - even though YC staff is one of the best in the world and thoroughly equipped to do what it does - and thus lowering the chances of fishing real gems off the coast.<p>I do not have the numbers, but how have the batches of later years done as compared to the early ones which had Dropbox, Airbnb in them?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5648760" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5648760</a>
the_cat_kittlesover 10 years ago
&quot;We Make Mistakes&quot; is such a pretentious title because you think people hold ycombinator in such high esteem that you need to say that
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brentxphillipsover 10 years ago
So how would YC classify passing over interviewing former United Nations staff working on reducing the turnaround time and effort it takes aid groups to raise funds to develop, launch and sustain operations responding to the worst humanitarian crises the world has seen in an era? Does this fit in the mistake category or the we’re just naively stupid and don’t have the time to bother spending 5 minutes hearing about your project category?<p>Aid groups are choking on sheltering and feeding millions of refugees streaming out of Syria and Iraq but who gives a fuck?
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monksyover 10 years ago
Why not do the 1871 startup incubator in Chicago?
aloma85over 10 years ago
If you are not a White or Asian male, don&#x27;t even bother. Someone needs to start a fund for African Americans.
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resca79over 10 years ago
I appreciate the seriously of Y Combinator, but I dislike an article like that, first the title: &#x27;We make mistakes&#x27;<p>While I found the rejection a good and sincere email, I&#x27;m trying to figure out the role of this article
pulkitpulkitover 10 years ago
I get YC makes mistakes (as does everyone else) but I expected &#x2F; wished &#x2F; hoped that the response would be figuring out how to make fewer mistakes; maybe an improved process to reduce the risk of mistakes and not just a blog post throwing their hands in the air and wishing everyone that fell on the wrong side good luck. I think they owe that to their stakeholders, if not all the aspiring entrepreneurs out there. This makes it seem like they don&#x27;t really care...