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A Natural Fix for A.D.H.D.?

214 pointsby elijahparkerover 10 years ago

30 comments

adhd_anonover 10 years ago
I have severe inattentive ADHD.<p>1. There is absolutely no sympathy: The problem with ADHD is that it is a disorder of degree not kind. If I had epilepsy or cancer or had some of my limbs missing then people around me would be supportive and understanding. But not ADHD. Everybody&#x27;s mind wanders. Everyone would like to only do interesting things. Everyone forgets things from time to time. But, the problem is the degree to which these afflict people with ADHD.<p>We don&#x27;t expect someone without legs to walk normally or properly. Yet, when it comes to the mind we have little patience. Somehow, we expect people to get their act together. We label them lazy, unmotivated and indisciplined. A product of poor parenting. We get frustrated that they are not reaching their full potential. In a way, having ADHD in 2014 is like being Gay or having an interracial marriage in the 60s or 70s. Ignorant cynical judgmental people assume that you can will your way out of ADHD through discipline and will power.<p>2. ADHD does give you super powers: Insane creativity. The ability to think outside the box. The ability to make off the wall zany connections. Always looking for small advantages and using creativity to your advantage. I use mnemonics to remember things. I hired people overseas who follow up on everything I do. I built products that are on track to doing well. When I do succeed, people write it off as being lucky.<p>I wish I could write more. But I am actually supposed to be doing something else right now.
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guiambrosover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s sad that the article didn&#x27;t even mention exercise as a potential treatment for ADHD. The OP implies that kids will simply &quot;grow out&quot; of ADHD, drugs, or changing the environment may be enough.<p>While these are valid solutions, exercise may be equally or even more effective.<p>John J. Ratey, one of the pioneers of ADHD [1], recently wrote the excellent <i>Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain</i>[2]. In it, he explains in colorful details what happens in the brain, and why exercise may be the best treatment for a bunch of neurochemical imbalances - including ADHD.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driven_to_Distraction_(ADHD)" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Driven_to_Distraction_(ADHD)</a><p>[2] <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Spark-exercise-improve-performance-brain-ebook/dp/B000SFD21Q/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Spark-exercise-improve-performance-bra...</a>
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kurageover 10 years ago
I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 12. Classic, &quot;textbook&quot; example of one. I felt like it was a curse until I was about 20. I was put on Focalin, Ritalin, Adderall, Vyvanse over those years.. they all made me calm and focused. Without my meds, I used to live in my head all day, theorizing how the universe and neurons work.. playing with ideas, twisting shapes in my mind. I was also prone to depression, anxiety, and I hated dealing with emotions.<p>Then one day, when I was about 23, I did LSD and cannabis together. My whole world came crashing down, and I realized that ADHD was a label that limited my true potential, and made me judgmental of &quot;neurotypicals&quot;. After my trip, I realized that I lost about 75% of my visual-spatial ability (I felt out of it for a year or so as I missed having that ability), but I also felt more at peace, open-minded, and in the present moment. I also became a &quot;doer&quot;, rather than a &quot;thinker&quot;. I do not use any meds at all now; I meditate in the morning for at least 20 minutes, and try to run at least once a week.<p>With that said, I still like variety, and am a jack of all trades. Last time I did freelance, I loved doing marketing research, design, coding, programming and social media.
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rayalezover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s weird and frustrating that people label many abnormalities as &quot;diseases&quot;.<p>When I read a list of ADHD symptoms I keep asking myself - how is that a bad thing? Being bored doing unenjoyable tasks, hating homework, &quot;Not seem to listen when spoken to&quot;,Struggle to follow instructions,Dash around, touching or playing with anything and everything in sight, Have trouble sitting still during school and homework, Be constantly in motion, Have difficulty doing quiet tasks or activities....<p>These sound like symptoms of being a kid...
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heuristover 10 years ago
So how do you do this in software? Consulting? Startup? I&#x27;m a couple years into my first software development job out of school and barely get through the moderate amount of work that&#x27;s assigned to me right now. I&#x27;m afraid of switching to another development job where more would be expected of me (consulting! startups!). Without having these problems under control I may not be reliable despite my talent.<p>Over the last month or so I&#x27;ve been reading up on product management and it sounds like a good fit. Interact with people, track markets, discover problems, craft creative solutions, have other people figure out the exact implementation... Lately I&#x27;ve been trying to discover broad problems and their solutions in my current position, and it seems to be helping (helps me feel like I&#x27;m actually contributing, at least). I don&#x27;t know any product managers to talk to about their day-to-day stuff though. Has anyone with ADHD found that to be a good career path?
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oddtarballover 10 years ago
This article&#x27;s premise is built on an incorrect understanding of &quot;treating&quot; or &quot;fixing&quot; or &quot;losing&quot; (symptoms).<p>If: baseline x is underwhelming to the point of painful boredom Else: baseline y is higher and therefore satisfyingly stimulating<p>Then the fundamental problem of a lacking reward system for &quot;normal&quot; (x) baseline activity remains unresolved.<p>I have ADHD and decided to try medication for the first time only a few years ago (in my 20&#x27;s). Sure, keeping things &quot;interesting&quot; and &quot;new&quot; can trick one&#x27;s mind into paying additional attention towards the daily grind, but not for one second does that mean that ADHD would be resolved.<p>To make a more clear point, let&#x27;s apply this thinking to another context: Murderers would be cured if there weren&#x27;t anyone to murder, right? No. You&#x27;re supposed to solve problems, not symptoms.
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barsonmeover 10 years ago
I&#x27;d say one of the causes for over-medication is the lack of willingness of both parents and children to work on ways to succeed without use of medication.<p>I have (fairly bad) ADHD and my doctor did give me medicine, but only half the light dosage of Strattera, which isn&#x27;t a stimulant.<p>Long story short, I ended up hating feeling comatose from the medicine so much I began to work through my ADHD by structuring my life and finding things I was actually interested in.<p>But it would&#x27;ve been so easy to give me some Adderall and let me just do my thing, which I believe a lot of parents and doctors do. It&#x27;s the quick and easy route, but arguably worse in the long run when the children grow up to be adults dependent on managing their ADHD with a crutch instead of on their own.
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darrenkoppover 10 years ago
For the past few years I&#x27;ve taken both Adderall and Vyvanse, with the past 2 years being Vyvanse. I thought I would be taking these drugs for the rest of my life if I wanted to be successful, because when I didn&#x27;t take them, I could not focus on work tasks at all. However, the &quot;cost&quot; of these drugs for me was that I couldn&#x27;t turn off. I was driven from the time I woke up to the time I went to bed. My social life definitely suffered.<p>So, as I started a new job this year in January, I decided to make a clean break. I quit Vyvanse cold turkey and started a new job. I&#x27;ve been doing exceptionally. I never thought this could happen. Thinking back on the issue just yesterday I was telling a colleague that I thought this was likely because I must have been bored with the tasks at my previous job, and I&#x27;ve found all the new tasks to be interesting enough to bring out what I consider great performance from myself, though not the insane amount of performance I was doing on Vyvanse.<p>Anecdotal at best, but I independently came to the same conclusions as this article, for whatever it&#x27;s worth.
mvladover 10 years ago
&quot;In short, people with A.D.H.D. may not have a disease, so much as a set of behavioral traits that don’t match the expectations of our contemporary culture.&quot;
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whiddershinsover 10 years ago
&gt; Nor am I saying we that should not use stimulant medications like Adderall and Ritalin, which are safe and effective and very helpful to many kids with A.D.H.D.<p>are they really safe and effective? I&#x27;ve taken these after being diagnosed with ADHD as an adult, and although I believe they are quite effective, I am really surprised they give these drugs to young children. I would not.
emcareyover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m an adult woman with adhd and it&#x27;s definitely been an advantage as an entrepreneur. When I hyper focus on our company, brilliant things happen because I can think out of the box and my passion and obsession for our product has my undivided attention. Needing to constantly shift work environments, go for walks, and multitask has worked well for me in my startup life. However, in my former corporate life, it was at times crippling and embarrassing. I really appreciated this article because it elevates the need for those with adhd to choose the work environment best fit for their behavioral needs and hopefully sheds light to a wider audience that adhd is in fact &#x27;a real thing&#x27;. In a previous corporate role, when i spoke to HR about my daily struggle working in an office environment with tv&#x27;s on and lots of cubes with loud people talking, they didn&#x27;t take me seriously and just thought it was a &#x27;millennial&#x27; problem. I had to work saturday nights and sundays just to complete my work because during the work week it was so difficult to focus with all the surrounding noise. I lied to my manager about all my weekend work because she down played the very realness my adhd had on my ability to focus like I was making it up. I hope this article brings to light that many people do suffer from adhd and to take their work environment requests seriously. I hope it also encourages those with adhd to be more vocal about it.
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austenallredover 10 years ago
I was diagnosed with ADHD at a very young age, and have been doing battle with my attention span for most of my life. I had only read a half dozen books all the way through when I graduated from High School, despite reading at a college reading level before I was out of elementary school and having started hundreds of them. The few books that I had read included Les Miserables and War and Peace, both of which I binge-read over a period of a few days, barely allowing myself to eat and rarely allowing myself to shower while I read them. The other ones were Frindle, Tangerine, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time, and Catcher in the Rye. They were completely consuming. My addiction to video games was so intense and so severe that they were outright banned at my house. I was terrible at school, skipping more than half of my classes, but tested in the 99th percentile for standardized testing, learning a lot of what I should have learned in school by deduction as I was taking the test. That allowed me to get into college, which I later dropped out of, electing instead to buy a one-way ticket to China unsure if I would ever come back. Basically I was either 0% engaged in something or 110%, and if I wasn&#x27;t engaged it felt like no matter how hard I fought I couldn&#x27;t force myself to care.<p>The turning point came when I was living in eastern Ukraine serving a Mormon mission. As per the mission rules, the only books we read were scriptural, we only used a computer for 30 minutes a week to email home, and in my particular mission I spent 90% of my time, every minute from 11 AM to 9 PM (except for a one-hour dinner) walking around, talking to people in the streets.<p>I don&#x27;t know if it was age or that I was finally rid of the many stimulants I used to have, but my mind just slowed down. I concentrated on <i>everything</i>, and, perhaps especially because I was speaking Russian, I could literally recall every word of every conversation I had. I sat down in the mornings and studied the intricacies of the Russian language for an hour straight without blinking an eye. I read the Old Testament cover to cover; something that would have made me literally pull my hair out just a year earlier.<p>Then I went home. I got an iPhone, I got on the Internet, and it all came back. I try to limit the stimulants, (I&#x27;ve become very minimalistic), and I usually spend a lot of the morning with a calmer mind, but... I work online. I love the Internet. And I haven&#x27;t yet been able to calm my mind like it was for those two years.<p>It may be a matter of self-control - it probably is, but learning to program is incredibly painful. 10 minutes at a time sometimes with an incredible number of stops and starts.<p>I don&#x27;t know what the answer is, nor do I pretend that I can project my experience onto some greater understanding of what ADHD is, how to defeat it, or if it needs defeating, but the experience of feeling like I could finally do all the things I wanted to do because I didn&#x27;t have anything else to stimulate me was fascinating, and it may be valuable to someone else.
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ajcarpy2005over 10 years ago
Essential Fatty Acids play a role. It&#x27;s not productive to focus on just one causal factor normally but EFA deficiency is quite common because of:<p>1. maligning of dietary fats<p>2. high cost of fish relative to other foods<p>3. time and effort required to cook eggs in morning and the tremendous marketing investments in easier but ultimately unsustainable &#x27;foods&#x27;<p>It&#x27;s a shame that so much knowledge about human health goes to waste because of either ignorance or misplaced priorities.
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pulkitpulkitover 10 years ago
Interesting that the article goes down the route of providing more stimulus to help treat ADHD.. wonder if there&#x27;s also a case for reducing our need for more stimuli (e.g. with mindfulness or meditation) or whether that&#x27;s just too against the grain of how we are moving as a society (in to a more digital, multi-tasked world)
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jvdhover 10 years ago
I have only experienced ADHD second hand, my partner has been diagnosed with it years ago, and a good friend of mine as well. I recognise the &quot;coping mechanisms&quot; with alcohol, and the frustration of getting mundane things done.<p>The article suggests that the intense concentration or &quot;hyperfocus&quot; they have when they find something interesting can be used to their advantage. Both my partner and friend have gotten into occupations where they can do this. But there will always be mundane things that have to get done as well. Everyone has to pay taxes, and has to watch their spending. Few people like to do this, but almost everyone has to. Having a thrilling job does not alleviate you from these things.<p>So yes, it can probably help somewhat, but it can&#x27;t &quot;fix&quot; ADHD completely.
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bayesianhorseover 10 years ago
This unscientific narrative is dangerous. ADHD can go away over the years, without medication. But you can&#x27;t predict it, and there is no evidence for particular causes of &quot;remission&quot;.<p>More stimulation is hardly the answer to the social problems arising from ADHD, to drug addictions or a myriad of other problems patients have. It certainly doesn&#x27;t work against depression, and good luck curing 5-10% of children just by &quot;stimulating&quot; them more.<p>Coping with ADHD means improving Attention and Focus. The single most effective way is medication. Additionally mindfulness&#x2F;awareness meditation has been shown to work. Other activities like martial arts or dancing may have similar effects, but less reliably so.
myrandomcommentover 10 years ago
I take my 54mg of Concerta (time released Ritalin - methylphenidate - ie, pure government speed) every morning.<p>6th startup now? They hit about 100 people and I move on. Wonder why?<p>Job wise in the startup I am the &quot;fixer&quot;. The get it done guy. I wonder why?
elijahparkerover 10 years ago
Excerpt from article:<p>Another patient of mine, a 28-year-old man, was having a lot of trouble at his desk job in an advertising firm. Having to sit at a desk for long hours and focus his attention on one task was nearly impossible. He would multitask, listening to music and texting, while “working” to prevent activities from becoming routine.<p>Eventually he quit his job and threw himself into a start-up company, which has him on the road in constantly changing environments. He is much happier and — little surprise — has lost his symptoms of A.D.H.D.
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mercurialsharkover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m glad the article spoke to specific regional recruitment issues in the brain and evolutionary advantages. As someone who was diagnosed at a young age and retain the condition through adulthood, it wasn&#x27;t until I understood the evolutionary advantages to not being able to quiet regions of the brain not involved in the specific activity - that I learned how to self-learn.<p>Long story short, it&#x27;s not just the testing conditions in which it&#x27;s beneficial to not be in a class-room setting, but the learning phase too. Essentially, I&#x27;m completely worthless trying to absorb new information in a room full of people. It&#x27;s nearly impossible to not be conscious of those around me. However, at home - where I can control environmental factors - everything changes. I am not forced to be reactive and can happily concentrate - even with other portions of the brain remaining active (listening, wondering, whatever).
ohyesover 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve never been diagnosed but I&#x27;m bored all of the time. I&#x27;m almost 30. I&#x27;ve been fairly successful in jobs where I&#x27;m learning new stuff all the time. Is it possible I&#x27;m ADD?<p>Edit: I got bored halfway through the article.
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ameliusover 10 years ago
I think I&#x27;m having the exact reverse problem. My focus at work is very good, but I feel anxiety levels going up during the day. Drinking coffee sends my anxiety through the roof. Also I&#x27;m often so concentrated on things happening <i>inside</i> my head, that I forget to pay attention to the outside world. This is especially problematic when talking to other people (that talk slowly), or in traffic.<p>Probably these symptoms are not so bad when compared to ADHD, but at times I just wish there was a (preferably natural) medicine to deal with this.
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lnanek2over 10 years ago
The article wonders at the huge increase in diagnoses that mysteriously disappear in adulthood, but if the author had spent some time at college recently he&#x27;d know that Adderall is seen as THE way to ace tests and study more.<p>It isn&#x27;t difficult to walk into a doctors office and act and say the right way and things to get your prescription after you get tired of buying it off friends, either.
Xcelerateover 10 years ago
Well huh. I&#x27;d never thought I had ADHD, just a complete inability to motivate myself to do things. However, the descriptions in this article describe me perfectly! Everything seems dull, I&#x27;m constantly seeking new experiences, the idea of a daily routine terrifies me (even though my father keeps encouraging me to develop one), but I can play piano for an entire day.
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justifierover 10 years ago
i come from a generation where adhd is vocalised using a cash register chime, so i aggressively avoid acknowledging the diagnosis stead the syndromes<p>&gt; My patient “treated” his [distraction&#x27;boredom&#x27;frustration&#x27;creative depletion] simply by changing the conditions of his work environment from one that was highly routine to one that was varied and unpredictable. All of a sudden, his greatest liabilities — his impatience, short attention span and restlessness — became assets.<p>i developed a similar work environment.. i called it distracting my distractions<p>i often have multiple projects i want to work on with varied goals and requirements and if i start to lull while working i just shift to another project<p>i used to do this when i was a younger when reading<p>i would have many books open and scattered on my floor, all open to different pages<p>my friends might start reading a book at the same time as me and finish the book in one week what took me a four weeks to finish, but after that four weeks was over i would have finished reading three other books as well, each finishing at the end of that four weeks<p>books are really easy to build productive workflows around: you can immediately determine speed and pace based on time it takes to read the second page and how long the book is; with projects it is more difficult, i may get stuck on one function for hours and another will come out of me effortlessly, it is a now a matter of correctly recognising when i&#x27;ve begun to sludge signalling i should move to another project<p>most recently i have been taking breaks from work every thirty minutes or so, unless i am whistling through something, and get up and stretch, while giving my back and butt the rest i try to analyse my progress since the last stretch and determine if a project shift would do me good
jamesisaacover 10 years ago
This is pretty much the same approach I took to largely overcome ADHD-like symptoms. I happen to believe that, if you&#x27;ve fallen into a routine, it&#x27;s time to re-evaluate, anyway - so the tactic of engineering a more stimulating environment seems like a great idea regardless.
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dasmithiiover 10 years ago
Here&#x27;s an audio snippet of Alan Watt&#x27;s perspective on this issue. In general, he sees modern mental illnesses as personality traits. Thoughts?<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN8B8jMuDZE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=yN8B8jMuDZE</a>
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wander55over 10 years ago
I just read the article and all of the comments and I am still on the toilet... Does that level of hyperfocus mean I have ADHD?
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SteventM8over 10 years ago
Now give me some
frozenportover 10 years ago
A harder question:<p>If ADHD isn&#x27;t real but the drugs do something with utility what should be societies stance? If somebody wants to, or needs to do work that requires more concentration, how do we justify denying them the opportunity to better themselves?<p>Much like giving welfare under the guise of disability, this discussion reflects yesterday s ethics on today&#x27;s questions.
dasmithiiover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m not a fan of the perspective from which this article is written. Where the author writes &quot;X is affected by ADHD&quot;, I&#x27;m inclined toward &quot;X has a short attention span&quot;, or &quot;X is hyperactive&quot;.<p>The same perspective is taken by &quot;victims&quot; of ADHD, parents, and members of the media alike. I think we&#x27;d all be better off if we stopped speaking of these conditions as external forces acting upon the self, and instead, as mutable characteristics of the self.
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