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New NSA Documents Shine More Light into Black Box of Executive Order 12333

255 pointsby moover 10 years ago

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justcommentingover 10 years ago
John Napier Tye tried to change these policies and practices before resigning from the State Department earlier this year. His story is spine-chilling for anyone who cares about these issues and is well worth reading in full, e.g.:<p>&quot;Before I left the State Department, I filed a complaint with the department’s inspector general, arguing that the current system of collection and storage of communications by U.S. persons under Executive Order 12333 violates the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures. I have also brought my complaint to the House and Senate intelligence committees and to the inspector general of the NSA.&quot;<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/meet-executive-order-12333-the-reagan-rule-that-lets-the-nsa-spy-on-americans/2014/07/18/93d2ac22-0b93-11e4-b8e5-d0de80767fc2_story.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;opinions&#x2F;meet-executive-order-...</a>
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npkarnikover 10 years ago
Extralegal power has always been a mainstay of the federal government. For 20th century examples, the FBI was notorious for monitoring and blackmailing Civil Rights leaders (associating the movement with communism), especially MLK. Japanese internment during World War II was authorized by FDR&#x27;s executive order 9066.<p>There is literally no <i>legal</i> basis for most of the NSA&#x27;s activity. But there is plenty of extra-legal handwaving that justifies the NSA&#x27;s behavior...executive orders, &quot;secret court&quot; FISA rulings, all culminating in the use of this intelligence to assassinate and indefinitely detain&#x2F;torture those (citizens and noncitizens alike) who are a &quot;continued and imminent threat&quot; to the United States.<p>&quot;Slippery slope&quot; arguments used to seem weak and contrived. But I honestly can&#x27;t help but feel we&#x27;ve reached pretty close to the bottom of that slope. In the sense that I feel like our government just kind of makes stuff up as it goes along and only occasionally responds well to the strongest forms of shame.
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matt_morganover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s election day in the US. Please join the ACLU<p><a href="https://www.aclu.org/secure/become-freedom-fighter-join-aclu" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aclu.org&#x2F;secure&#x2F;become-freedom-fighter-join-aclu</a><p>and remember that we can make this an issue to which politicians must be sensitive.
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freddealmeidaover 10 years ago
I certainly don&#x27;t understand why any such authority can be given.
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alandarevover 10 years ago
But it seems to be absolutely <i>OK</i> to spy on all the people who use Celsium?
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