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Red Hat Asks Supreme Court to Review Software Patents

90 pointsby sutroover 15 years ago

8 comments

launicover 15 years ago
I am just curious if there is anyone here able to point a single useful outcome of software patents. I am a software engineer and I can not find any good in software patents. Copyright laws and trade secrete are enough to protect our work.
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dstorrsover 15 years ago
Last time I did a startup, it was made very clear to me that having IP was effectively a requirement; without it, our chances of getting investment money were enormously lower, and our likely value at M&#38;A or IPO would be lower as well. In other words, <i>not</i> getting a patent would significantly decrease the chances of success, and the eventual value of the company.<p>So I applied. The short version of the story: it was a revolting, morally abhorrent, tedious, timewasting and unbelievably <i>expensive</i> process. It costs $15,000 to apply for a preliminary patent which offers no protection, but does set the date of your priority. From the date you file the preliminary patent, you have 1 year to file the all-up version or all rights expire and you can't get them back. Doing this second version would have cost $50,000.<p>Throughout the application process, the lawyers made very clear that:<p>1) We wouldn't get approved or denied for 4-5 years.<p>2) We wouldn't ever know until the patent was actually granted if someone else had already filed one on it that had priority over ours, because some patents are not visible to a search.<p>3) The patent was going to be useless to us in court, because a) we would not have the money to defend it and b) we had probably invalidated it anyway by discussing the idea in public and/or having a publicly-visible (if unpublished) alpha version available before the patent application was filed.<p>4) Whatever protection it did grant was only in the USA; international protection was an entirely different ball of wax that we'd need to deal with separately, and probably couldn't have gotten or paid for even if we had wanted to.<p>Tell me how this does not describe an utterly broken system that discriminates against small companies?
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tsallyover 15 years ago
Red Hat is so kickass. We need more publicly traded open source companies.
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messelover 15 years ago
Fortune favors the bold.<p>But unfortunately, if you build something of great enough value patent holders will do their best to recognize their ideas in your solution.
aw3c2over 15 years ago
This is a prime example why commercial use of open-source leads to benefits for both sides. Some people think "commercial" == "bad" no matter what. Here you see that with commercial background, you might be able to help the greater good with your backing.
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Flipparachiover 15 years ago
It was nice, it could be better :)<p>Who does RH legal talk about here, anybody got link: "The brief of one large technology company even tried to argue that patents somehow benefit the open source community."?
knownover 15 years ago
Why there are no patents in Hollywood?
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jhigdonover 15 years ago
RedHat++