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How to Get a Quant Job in Finance

179 pointsby sarahaover 10 years ago

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Rainymoodover 10 years ago
Interesting!<p>Thanks a lot for writing&#x2F;posting this. I enjoyed the read.<p>One thing I had to chuckle at was this:<p>&gt;Mark Joshi obtained a B.A. in mathematics (top of year) from the University of Oxford in 1990, and a Ph.D. in pure mathematics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1994. He was an assistant lecturer in the department of pure mathematics and mathematical statistics at Cambridge University from 1994 to 1999. Following which he worked for the Royal Bank of Scotland from 1999 to 2005 as a quantitative analyst at a variety of levels, finishing as the Head of Quantitative Research for Group Risk Management. He joined the Centre for Actuarial Studies at the University of Melbourne in November 2005 as an associate professor and is now a full professor.<p>Pure math to quant to actuary. It&#x27;s kind of funny how I see&#x2F;have met so many people that have gone this route. It&#x27;s like they got sucked into pure mathematics, then thought: shoot I really need to get some practical work done with this math! And afterwards, at a later stage in life they wanted to back out and wanted a stable, high paying, but still math heavy job (actuary!).<p>Does anybody here have any experiences with being on the &#x27;front office&#x27;? I&#x27;d love to hear them.
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chollida1over 10 years ago
Having hired a lot of quants and programmers in finance I can probably give a bit of background on what to expect:<p>Get this book, read it and understand it.<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Heard-Street-Quantitative-Questions-Interviews/dp/0970055277" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Heard-Street-Quantitative-Questions-In...</a><p>Quants tend to be in 1 of 3 categories:<p>1) pricing quants, you work for a bank or investment house like Goldamn. You know stochastic calculus very well, you know finite differencing like the back of your hand. You&#x27;ll know every way to look at a derivative product. You can program in matlab. You create the next big thing like CDO&#x27;s or CDS&#x27;s<p>If you love math, this is where you want to be.<p>2) Quants who trade You work at a hedge fund. You can program in python with scikit or use R. You don&#x27;t know calculus maybe as well as a pricing quant but you know some area of the market much much better. You know stats like its your mother tongue.<p>3) Risk quant&#x2F;programmer. You do modelling all day for a trader or risk manager. You can take a portfolio and model any feature that someone ask for. Var, beta, greeks, you can spit them out quickly. You know C++, excel and R. You might have been an engineer in a former life.<p>This is often considered the low position in the quant hierarchy. This is how some programmers break into the industry.<p>4) I lied there is actually special category 4). This is the professors of quants. You sit around all day and think about the next big equation, or how to model derivatives better than black scholes. If you are one of these people chances are your name is known in the industry:)<p><i></i>EDIT<i></i> someone asked if you can do these without a math degree. The short answer is probably not. YOu&#x27;ll need a math, engineering, or physics degree, unless you really are driven to learn hte math yourself.<p>A comp sci degree might work but you would be the exception and you&#x27;d be fighting up hill. Ask your self honestly, how many branches of mathematics have you self taught yourself and you&#x27;ll get your answer. For most the answer is none, for a select few the answer is yes.<p>Someone asked about brain teasers. They do get asked, you have to deal with it, whining in an interview that this type of question gives no useful hiring indicator won&#x27;t get you hired. I don&#x27;t ask them but they are common:(<p>We throw around brain teasers at work during the day trying to stump each other. I guess some of it is trying to look smart. Some of it is that we just really like to dissect any problem and figure it out.<p>I think the biggest reason for asking brain teasers is that at a hedge fund there are no rules for how to make money, excluding legal. They want people who can think outside the box. it turns out that its really tough to test for &quot;can the candidate think outside the box&quot;?<p>Trading is a higher stress job than most other math or programming jobs, what we are trying to see is not only are you smart, but can you think on your feet and not get stressed out, because if an interview stresses you out, whats going to happens when a $50,000,000 position that should be going up starts to go down.<p>Are you going to complain that the model says it should go up and the market isn&#x27;t being fair, or are you going to accept what&#x27;s happening and get back to work? You&#x27;d be surprised at the number of people who chose option 1.<p>I ask a bunch of questions that some people feel are brain teasers. In between questions I&#x27;l throw out what&#x27;s the square root of 225 to see how the candidate reacts. Good traders seem to be exceptional at mental math, with very, very few exceptions.<p>I&#x27;ll also ask alot of probability questions. Get ready to know what your expected payoff is if you gamble on dice games, its basically what you do every minute of the day when trading:)<p>Now if you are a programmer, how do you get into the industry? You need to know stats, machine learning, and programming, really well.<p>And I don&#x27;t mean know machine learning, like &quot;I tool an nlp library and stiched it together to do sentiment analysis on a corpus of text&quot;. I will ask what algorithms the underlying library used. You used SVM, great talk to me about your kernel selection methods. I want to know that you understand the math, and more importantly the assumptions and limitations of the library you are using.<p>The reason is that when you trade on a model that is based on your machine learning, I want to know that you know when it breaks. Finance is an industry that loves to model but has crashes that are predicted to happen 1 in 1000 year events happen every 10 years.<p>I love helping programmers who want to become quants get into the industry. Please feel free to ask if you have questions!
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rhodriover 10 years ago
I&#x27;d like to see an article titled &quot;Why Get a Quant Job in Finance?&quot;
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seongboiiover 10 years ago
There&#x27;s another way that hasn&#x27;t really been mentioned yet, and that&#x27;s to work for yourself via your own quantitative trading system or through Quantopian&#x27;s crowdsourced hedge fund (<a href="https://www.quantopian.com/managers" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quantopian.com&#x2F;managers</a>). Disclaimer: I&#x27;m an employee there
graycatover 10 years ago
I got an applied math Ph.D. with a good course in measure theory and stochastic processes from a star student of E. Cinlar and a lot in optimization, wrote my dissertation on stochastic optimal control, had a solid background in software, especially in scientific computing, including a lot of applied statistics, sent a resume to Fisher Black at Goldman Sachs, and still have his nice answer back that he saw no opportunities for mathematics in finance.<p>Jerked the chains of lots of headhunters and got nowhere.<p>I concluded f&#x27;get about it.<p>Maybe since then it&#x27;s changed.
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mlrtimeover 10 years ago
&quot;Hirers tend to be looking for strong programming and data management skills as much as mathematical ability&quot;<p>This cannot be over emphasized. You cannot just have an aptitude for math&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;probability. You will need to be able to write high performance production quality code.
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javaistheworstover 10 years ago
Not mentioned but important is coding - if you are a quant in an IB these days, you will be expected to do some level of coding - often C++, Python, and maybe some Excel VBA to plug things in for the desk to play with, while IT production-ise the rest intop the RMS and trading apps.
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ivancheover 10 years ago
&quot; Brainteasers are popular.&quot; Can somebody explain why? I&#x27;m genuinely interested, since in software dev interviews we see less and less brainteasers...
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tacomanover 10 years ago
Darn. I thought this said &quot;a Quaint Job in France&quot; and I clicked on it. I was disappointed.
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kofejnikover 10 years ago
commenting to bookmark (hope this is permissible here)
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0800899gover 10 years ago
great quant info in here
netherover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m filled with envy and rage over the fact I&#x27;m not good enough at math for this. I barely did above average in my grad level math courses in college (studied aerospace engineering). I worked my ass off; I should have breezed through it if I had the ability to be a quant.
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poppowover 10 years ago
The whole industry is in recession. Those stuck in it just mental masterbate about crap, knowing that automation&#x2F;ai will destroy their paradigm. In reality it&#x27;s boring and nothing like the energy and passion in start ups&#x2F;creative tech.