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A Library to Last Forever

40 pointsby mgcreedover 15 years ago

5 comments

yannisover 15 years ago
Sergey Brin makes a convincing case:<p>&#62;The agreement limits consumer choice in out-of-print books about as much as it limits consumer choice in unicorns. Today, if you want to access a typical out-of-print book, you have only one choice — fly to one of a handful of leading libraries in the country and hope to find it in the stacks.<p>I did my PhD thesis pre-web! I wrote to authors to get copies of PhD theses and obscure books. It took months to assemble material that I needed. I am for it although I dislike the current form of Google Books, but as Sergey says, there is opportunity for competition here.
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shrikantover 15 years ago
Isn't this a bit like preaching to the choir? At this point I would think the only people who oppose this are either the Google-overlord-fearing folk (who can never be appeased anyway), or other companies who are suddenly alarmed that they didn't have the balls to make a first move in this space.<p>To the latter - tough cookie. To the former I would like to ask this: other than the shadow of the Big G, what do you truly see wrong with Google Books?
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Kadinover 15 years ago
Seems like a reasonable and cogent response to some of the anti-Google sentiment that has been floating around.<p>Although I'm not a huge fan of the Google/Guild arrangement -- I would have preferred a true solution, in the form of orphan works legislation, but I know that's unlikely -- it seems like the best hope for saving orphan works and getting them into a format where they can be preserved and used. I hope that where Google goes, others will follow, as has been the case with some of their other products.
mynameishereover 15 years ago
This was written by one of Brin's staff (probably), and I have to wonder why a semi-reputable institution like the nytimes would publish a public relations piece like this as an op-ed.<p>Anyway, if google released all of these books in the wild, you could bet your ass that they would sue-to-death anyone who crawled and re-published them.
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gojomoover 15 years ago
I work for the Internet Archive, which has agitated against the Google Books Settlement, but I don't work on the Archive's books projects and I speak only for myself here.<p>In my opinion, Google Books is wonderful. The problem is the Settlement. It's an abuse of the class-action process to obtain certain monopolistic privileges -- making Google the only company with the right to preemptively scan out-of-print books while waiting for authors to come forward.<p>It was wrong for the Author's Guild to be given class status sufficient for them to grant that blanket permission. It was wrong for Google to choose a purely self-interested bilateral settlement with the Guild rather than continuing their original fight for the very same fair use principles that enabled searching the web -- the presumptive right to index even copyrighted material as a transformative use.<p>Brin is justifiably proud of their technical progress scanning so many books, but that early lead is not, as Brin implies, a reason to grant the leader even more privileges -- as the default scanner, the default collector of fees, and the de facto manager of the entire 'Rights Registry'.<p>Instead, that early lead is a reason for extra scrutiny, to ensure that no cartel-like arrangements or effective monopolies arise -- either organically or by court order -- that reduce competition and author/reader choice.