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Why I Quit OS X – Geoff Wozniak

454 pointsby jpace121over 10 years ago

96 comments

brianstormsover 10 years ago
I haven&#x27;t quit it, but the problems, annoyances, surprises, seeming ineptitude, and creeping iOSification of OS X that the author describes sure do resonate.<p>Every new major release of OS X is a day or week spent disabling things, shutting down Spotlight again, trying to restore things back to the way they were instead of the way some Designer with a capital D thinks they should be, for no other reason than, &quot;Beauty.&quot;<p>I just dread the idea of moving to Linux again. I don&#x27;t want to tinker that much. But I am worried sick that OS X is dying, in the sense that it&#x27;s becoming a platform to deliver people to Apple&#x27;s (and partners&#x27;) cloud services and sharing services and that&#x27;s it. Screw all of that.<p>One major shot across the bow was the loss of &quot;Save As...&quot; and the change to &quot;Duplicate&quot;. WTF, Apple? I now have to do 10 extra steps just to Save As.<p>It feels like Apple is abandoning its longtime users, the master users, the users who&#x27;ve climbed the pyramid, who&#x27;ve achieved a lot of game levels. It&#x27;s just going after that huge base of newbies and midlevel people who don&#x27;t notice or complain about all the changes that really, truly are not improvements. They&#x27;re just changes. That&#x27;s the problem in a nutshell: OS X changes because there&#x27;s new management that wants to put its stamp on things, regardless of whether it improves the productivity of the user or not.
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ggreerover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s important to notice that he&#x27;s switching to a desktop running linux. Running linux on laptops is still a gamble. Sometimes things work great. Sometimes you spend months trying to fix basic stuff like screen brightness[1][2] on hardware certified by Ubuntu.[3]<p>I think there&#x27;s a market for a linux distro that targets a limited set of premium hardware. I&#x27;d gladly pay money for an OS that worked out of the box on any MacBook or Surface Pro made in the past two years.<p>Edit: Many people are replying with brands that work for them. I&#x27;m glad they&#x27;ve been lucky enough to avoid problems, but I am making a different point. On Macs, OS X is practically guaranteed to work out of the box. Wifi, bluetooth, trackpad, screen brightness, power management, hardware graphics acceleration, resume from suspend&#x2F;hibernate, etc Just Works™. On Apple&#x27;s hardware, users never have to worry about kernel flags or special drivers. The same is not true for any combination of laptop brand and linux distro. I truly wish it were otherwise.<p>1. <a href="http://fujii.github.io/2014/03/02/thinkpad-edge-e145-backlight-brightness-issue/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;fujii.github.io&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;02&#x2F;thinkpad-edge-e145-backlig...</a><p>2. <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1318314" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bugs.launchpad.net&#x2F;ubuntu&#x2F;+source&#x2F;fglrx-installer&#x2F;+b...</a><p>3. <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201309-14195/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ubuntu.com&#x2F;certification&#x2F;hardware&#x2F;201309-14195&#x2F;</a>
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rubyn00bieover 10 years ago
I want to quit OS X but can&#x27;t until I get (as almost everyone else in the world has said):<p>1.) Laptop hardware&#x2F;construction that rivals Apples. I hate plastic. I hate it.<p>2.) A usable trackpad. Apple has by far the most usable trackpad and it works well. Windows&#x2F;Linux laptops force me to bring a mouse because the trackpads&#x2F;drivers are essentially crap by comparison.<p>3.) Hassle-free wireless and graphics card drivers. Linux I&#x27;m staring you in the eye poking you in the kidney. This isn&#x27;t always a crapshoot, but boy howdy can it be.<p>4.) An supported upgrade path. Too many &quot;PC&quot; manufacturers put their hardware out to pasture the day it&#x27;s released. No updates. No support.<p>Windows is largely unusable for me for development work[1]. Babun or cygwin make things better but I hate having this fucked off environments disconnected from the core of the operating system. It&#x27;s like working&#x2F;developing in a vagrant box without wanting to...<p>Linux is damn close but without a good hardware vendor it&#x27;s a no go. I could buy a Mac and install Linux on it, but what&#x27;s the point? Might as well just use OS X... and here we are.<p>[1] I want to emphasize the &quot;for me&quot; part. I&#x27;m not trying to say you can&#x27;t enjoy it, or that it&#x27;s across the board &quot;shitty&quot; by any means. I gladly recognize for some folks-- it&#x27;s wonderful.
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CrazedGeekover 10 years ago
I feel like I&#x27;m taking crazy pills, as Yosemite has been the best OS X release since Snow Leopard for me. Runs brilliantly, added a lot of nice features (Continuity and nicer widgets than Dashboard), looks better than Mavericks (and much better than Lion or ML).<p>Then again, I use a MacBook Air, which doesn&#x27;t usually seem to be the Mac of choice for people on here, so... <i>shrug</i>
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jwise0over 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve been considering this for a while -- especially after the Yosemite upgrade, in which my machine has been randomly hanging [0], and in which my machine gets noticeably slower (cmd-tab takes a quarter to a half a second to actually finish switching and repainting windows) over the course of a few days of uptime. OS X software quality is very clearly not a priority at Apple, which is a shame, because this machine is still the best hardware I&#x27;ve ever had the pleasure of using. I don&#x27;t know what my next machine will be, but if things go at the current pace, I imagine it won&#x27;t be running OS X.<p>My previous Linux machine was a Sony VAIO SZ, running Ubuntu 8.04; it did basically everything that I needed, and my only complaint that I&#x27;d have if downgrading to it today would be the reduction in battery life. Is there a great set of laptop hardware to run Linux on these days? What do people use when they just want a candy-reduced window system?<p>[0] MacBook Pro Retina 15&quot;, Mid 2012; periodically, usually while I am scrolling through a web page, the machine becomes unresponsive (sound stops, cursor stops), and a minute or two later, the machine powers off. Sometimes it reboots on its own; afterwards, there&#x27;s no kernel panic log. As far as I can tell, something goes wrong, and after a few minutes, the SMC&#x27;s watchdog timer gives up, and shoots the machine in the head.
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revscatover 10 years ago
I don&#x27;t get this.<p>I currently own three Macs: an early-2013 MBP (personal), a mid-2014 MBP (work), and a 2010 Mac Mini. All three are running Yosemite and all three work as flawlessly as can be expected. Which is to say: I have not experienced a single one of the issues that OP has described here.<p>&gt; The iOS-like GUI and &quot;features&quot; such as Launchpad didn&#x27;t resonate with me.<p>Then don&#x27;t use it Launchpad. I&#x27;m pretty sure I have never used Launchpad, except maybe once to see what it was, and it has neither gotten in my way nor caused any issues. I have to admit that I&#x27;m puzzled why so many people are so vocal in their complaints about it. If you don&#x27;t like it remove it from the Dock and forget about it.<p>&gt; I spent a lot of time going through the System Preferences, figuring out what I had to turn off in order to get my sanity back.<p>He links here to a Wikipedia page about Notification Center, the implication being that it&#x27;s a pain. Any device is going to have default settings you don&#x27;t personally care for. That&#x27;s why they are preferences.<p>&gt; Messages in 10.10 is a complete shitshow. It&#x27;s a stunning regression. I gave up on it shortly after Yosemite was installed. The content was frequently out-of-order, mislabeled as new, and the conversation usually unparsable.<p>I have not experienced this even <i>once</i>, let alone so frequently as to make Messages unusable.<p>&gt; There are lots of other little things that irk me: mds being a hog, distnoted being a hog, lack of virtualization, other system services mysteriously firing up, bogging the system down.<p>I ran into the distnoted issue on Mavericks, but it turned out to be a bug in emacs[1]. Once that fixed both disnoted and the cmd-tab problem were fixed. Other than that, thought, neither mds nor any other process has caused me any issues, ever.<p>&gt; It doesn&#x27;t help that the Macbook Pro I have is one of those lemons that overheats easily, thus kicking the fans into &quot;rocket taking off&quot; mode.<p>Oh. So there is defective hardware in the equation, but he&#x27;s blaming the operating system. Ok then.<p>[1] <a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/gnu.emacs.bug/s47kTTrcL4Q" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;groups.google.com&#x2F;forum&#x2F;#!topic&#x2F;gnu.emacs.bug&#x2F;s47kTT...</a>
brandonmencover 10 years ago
I did this once. Biggest waste of time, ever.<p>Went from NetBSD to OS X in 2002, then to Linux in 2008, then back to OS X in 2011.<p>I spend almost all of my time in cross-platform apps, but the little inconveniences of Linux on a laptop just weren&#x27;t worth the trouble back in 2011, and I&#x27;d be surprised if anything has changed since then.<p>OS X at its ugliest and least stable wipes the floor with Linux at its best, imo.
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overgardover 10 years ago
Apple has been doing a really bad job at UX for the last few years. (Disclaimer: I say this as a person where I&#x27;m currently surrounded by two iMac&#x27;s, a macbook pro, and an iphone, so I&#x27;m not exactly a hater).<p>The weird thing is I don&#x27;t even know what they&#x27;re going for.<p>There are two trends I&#x27;ve seen:<p>1) Be more like iOS (for example, the dumb reverse scroll (wait sorry, &quot;natural&quot; scroll&quot;) and removing things like UI elements reacting to hovering.) I have no idea what&#x27;s even clickable anymore. That&#x27;s idiotic. I get consistency, but you shouldn&#x27;t kick one platform in the knees to replicate the shortcomings of another. OK so touch screens don&#x27;t have hover. Still, I&#x27;d like to have that back on the desktop. It&#x27;d be nice to know what&#x27;s actually clickable.<p>2) Being more &quot;social&quot;. Like now all my OSX devices want to be connected to my phone, and tell me about every goddamn text message. And if I try to ignore this, I get berated by annoying login screens. &quot;Cancel&quot;. Hey maybe you want to see that screen again! NO! fuck off! I have no interest in iCloud, stop asking me five times to log in. Apple seems hell bent into annoying you into signing up for a lot of privacy degrading services.<p>Not only that, but they just choose bizarre fucking defaults. Like, if I sync my iPhone, it will pop up iPhoto automatically with all my recent photos. Jesus christ. On the plus side, I&#x27;m boring, so there&#x27;s nothing really there, but who the hell thought that was a good idea?!? Does apple have any idea what people actually use cell phone cameras for? Sure there are tame uses, but all the same, I mean jesus christ. That&#x27;s the dumbest default I&#x27;ve seen, and turning it off is basically impossible.
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jonhohleover 10 years ago
While I haven&#x27;t switched to another OS, Yosemite has been the worst release of OS X that I&#x27;ve used (I&#x27;ve been an OS X user since Jaguar).<p>The general rule is to wait until at least 10.x.1 (or later), but even now, there are still bugs that indicate that there is little to no structure release or QA process at Apple, and it&#x27;s likely that few teams have gotten the religion of testing.<p><pre><code> * In 10.0.0, systems on Exchange in our office would freeze after anywhere from 5-60 minutes. Only a hard reboot would make them responsive. * smart mailboxes no longer live update for me. I just have to trut that the messages I&#x27;ve deleted or moved will be gone when I manually reload the mailbox. * replying to calendar events in Mail no longer provides any indication that some action has been performed. (Maybe this is related to the smart mailbox issue above). * Calendar will just stop drawing every once in a while requiring a restart. * Calendar frequently barfs on event updates and requires reverting to the server version for any hope of reconciling the changes. * Safari frequently consumes all memory and all CPU for lighter workloads than I used to run (because I know it will go out of control at somepoint). * The background of the login screen frequently has graphical glitches which are likely caused by overwriting areas of graphic or texture memory (this seems to happen on Intel or dedicated graphics cards) * iPhoto forced a database update, crashed in the middle of the migration, and corrupted a decade old library. This happened immediately after time machine told me that it needed to start a new a backup and deleted my most recent good backup. </code></pre> With all of the pulled releases of iOS and Safari lately,I really hope someone at Apple is mandating some soul searching and release process changes. I&#x27;m not happy to act as Apple&#x27;s QA department.<p>Edit: formatting
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ZoFover 10 years ago
I feel like whenever I click on a Geoff Wozniak link it&#x27;s because the domain is &#x27;wozniak&#x27;.<p>e.g. - I think it&#x27;s Woz.
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lordbusinessover 10 years ago
Truth be told, I&#x27;m feeling the same urges. The golden age of my Mac was years ago. I switched to Macs in 2002, and had the most amazing computing period of my life between then and approximately 2011. Since then the random reboots of both the uncontrolled variety and controlled (though forced through needing to kick a random weird glitch) variety have increased to the point that I no longer consider my computer to be stable.<p>Frankly, it feels like Windows in the 1990s. No, I don&#x27;t have rose tinted spectacles of nostalgia on, something is broken in the way Apple produce OS X now, and I just can&#x27;t with good conscience recommend a Mac anymore. At least weekly I experience random lockups, reboots, temporary freezes, full freezes that require cold cycle, etc.<p>Yes, my computer passes all diagnostics. No, Apple haven&#x27;t found anything wrong. Yes, I&#x27;m incredibly technical and have decades of experience. Yes, I have fully re-installed and re-formatted and been through no end of measures to correct a phantom problem. No I&#x27;m not imagining things.<p>OS X just sucks compared to what it was a few years ago.<p>I&#x27;m not quite ready to abandon the platform, simply because I haven&#x27;t done the home work to find another hardware supplier to run some other OS on.<p>Does anyone have any pointers or suggestions regarding laptops of comparable build quality and design as a MacBook Pro? This physical device and form factor is the thing keeping me in the Apple world. Otherwise, I&#x27;m ready to jump ship.<p>To those on here with plenty of access to people who could shake things up, perhaps with a league of hardware engineers and industrial designers, and a healthy dose of funding, mark my words, there is room in this industry for a shakeup right now. I&#x27;ll bet dollars to donuts I&#x27;m not the only one awaiting a viable alternative.
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jmgtanover 10 years ago
After experiencing the awesomeness that is Continuity and Handoff, I wouldn&#x27;t give up OSX for Windows&#x2F;Linux. I do agree with some of his points about instability especially for .0 releases, better wait after a few patches before upgrading.<p>I do disagree about Yosemite&#x27;s installation time, coincidentally I just updated my wife&#x27;s 2011 MBA last night and it took around 40 mins. The funny thing is once Yosemite was installed everything works as expected, the only setup that I needed to do was relogin her Apple account.<p>Using Linux as your desktop entails doing a lot more setup and configuration, and it&#x27;s very tedious to constantly searching for solutions to functionality that should&#x27;ve worked right out of the box.
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tach4nover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m convinced there is a real productivity loss due to OSX&#x27;s limited notifications system.<p>On OSX you get a tiny little bubble in the upper right from your chat program and if you miss it, too bad. I&#x27;ve seen people resorting to shouting or tapping on shoulders because of this. Trying to do something as simple as change the font size was difficult or impossible.<p>On linux I get nice big notifications. If I miss or choose to ignore them, my WM highlights windows that need my attention and they stay that way till I get to it.<p>There are fixes no doubt, but this lack of &quot;customizability&quot; permeates OSX and seems to be getting worse.
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GigabyteCoinover 10 years ago
Why choose any one operating system at all?<p>It&#x27;s pretty tough to a buy a run of the mill laptop (as I do every few years) without Windows pre-installed.<p>I have been triple booting Windows, Ubuntu, and Arch linux all from the same laptop for the past few years now and loving it.<p>Windows is great when I need stuff to &quot;just work&quot;. For example, when I want to quickly plug my laptop into the hdmi cable to watch a movie in better quality on my TV. Or if I need to quickly print out something on a random printer the plug and play features built into windows are amazing.<p>I spend most of my time using Arch Linux, with Ubuntu being my fallback if I really run into trouble (Arch can be... finicky. But I wouldn&#x27;t use anything else.) with what I am trying to do with linux.<p>I would probably have OS X on there too if it came for free with my laptop purchase to be honest.<p>With an SSD Hard Drive any operating system you desire is only a reboot and 15 seconds away. So why choose?
jqmover 10 years ago
Admittedly I&#x27;ve never used OS X and have been a Linux user for years (so I may have picked up some things along the way that seem like second nature now), but I&#x27;ve not had any troubles that so many talk about. i3 and KDE do everything I need wonderfully.<p>How much better are Firefox and Thunderbird on OS X? And media players and terminals? Because other than a calculator or an occasional spreadsheet, those are about the only native applications I ever use.<p>I am a thrifty guy, so almost never buy new laptops but used Thinkpads that are a few years old... this might explain why I don&#x27;t usually have any driver problems.<p>I just can&#x27;t figure out, for what I do, how OS X would be any better? Maybe one of these years I&#x27;ll get off my wallet and find out what all the fuss is about. Or maybe not.
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jseligerover 10 years ago
<i>The pangs of dislike started to show up in 10.7 (Lion). The iOS-like GUI and &quot;features&quot; such as Launchpad didn&#x27;t resonate with me. As things progressed, I became increasingly annoyed with the environment.</i><p>I&#x27;ve never seriously used Linux, but my recent &quot;upgrade&quot; experiences have not been good: <a href="http://jakeseliger.com/2015/01/01/5k-retina-imac-and-mac-os-x-yosemite-thoughts/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jakeseliger.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;01&#x2F;01&#x2F;5k-retina-imac-and-mac-os-...</a> . Finder crashes; FCP X crashes; a user account crashes; permissions problems; migration problems. Snow Leopard rarely if ever crashed.
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vandeaqover 10 years ago
I dual booted for years, and finally made the switch to Linux full time just over two years ago.<p>Configuring a fresh Linux install takes a bit of effort, but that effort is <i>adding things I want</i> to make it just the way I like, rather than removing unnecessary cruft to get it more or less how I like. That&#x27;s a key difference for me.
fubarredover 10 years ago
10.10 upgrade was a full reinstall PITA. But the tweaks, hackarounds (EasySIMBL, pqrs.org, etc.) and firewalls (icefloor and hands off) makes the pretty thing fairly usable.<p>Nit picks:<p>- iBooks uses up 100% of CPU randomly by pegging storeacountd, even without internet access.<p>- Mail.app is slow to start and hangs if using email rules to send notifications.<p>- Not all apps support a dark toolbar.<p>- There should be more UI LNF&#x27;s themes that are pluggable.<p>The cost of Linux though it dependency hell on both Fedora- and Debian-based systems that aren&#x27;t developed as a whole like FreeBSD or OSX, where library dependencies break things. Sure you can get ZFS going and basically compile most anything on a Linux box without having to wait for the web developers that don&#x27;t understand UNIX philosophy to maintain a technical dilettante&#x27;s popular package system. But really, you should be developing in isolated containers as similar to production as possible using something like Docker and Xen|KVM.<p>Also, the Linux kernel has bazillions of syscalls that change with the wind compared to *BSD and XNU (under a few hundred).<p>If I had to choose another OS, it would likely be PC-BSD. If that didn&#x27;t work, the BATNA would be Mint. Failing that: arch.
kevindicationover 10 years ago
My primary professional OS progression went something like:<p>Slackware -&gt; Debian -&gt; Ubuntu -&gt; OS X.<p>As with the author, I&#x27;m pretty sure I&#x27;m done with OS X. If I want to go back to Linux, what is the best path? Mint? Back to Ubuntu? Something new?
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devinover 10 years ago
Tiger was the most stable release I&#x27;ve ever used.<p>I haven&#x27;t upgraded to 10.10 yet. It just seems like a lot of useless pain. I have no need for any of the &quot;features&quot; they&#x27;ve added.<p>To be fair to OSX, when you do an &quot;upgrade&quot; in modern &quot;user friendly&quot; linux distros (Ubuntu, for example), you would be smart not to click the &quot;upgrade me to the next release&quot; button. It&#x27;s usually worse than the experience on OSX in my experience by a large margin.<p>I agree with the poster on almost everything he said, but I still don&#x27;t know if the pain is enough for me to justify switching back to linux. The amount of time spent configuring things is just wasted time. I lost the drive to spend countless hours tinkering years ago.<p>&quot;Turning things off&quot; in OS X usually is a preference pane option. Every now and then you have to do something a bit more elaborate to get the behavior you desire. I&#x27;d argue that on Linux, the time spent turning the things you want on and off is far more time consuming.
shurcooLover 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve noticed a pattern. If you&#x27;re unhappy with the &quot;default out of box experience&quot; of an OS&#x2F;distribution and you need to apply an increasing amount of tweaks&#x2F;hacks to get it to be the way you like, you will be unhappy and eventually switch away.<p>How &quot;pleasant to use&quot; the default experience is, and &quot;number of steps needed to be done&quot; after a fresh OS install are a very important metric to me. If see that metric going up, I will switch to something where that metric is lower. I care more about this metric than the end result usability (including personal tweaks).<p>Tweaks and adjustments are fine in the short term, but in the long term, if you&#x27;re unhappy with the design decisions and the direction the OS developers are making, there&#x27;s no winning.<p>I&#x27;m more happy to make small sacrifices and adjust myself to to like the default experience so that this metric can be lower, and I can enjoy using the OS more. But that&#x27;s me.
Igglybooover 10 years ago
Just an FYI to everyone else who saw the domain name and clicked through, this is <i>not</i> by Steve Wozniak, it is by someone unrelated named Geoff Wozniak. Good article however.
tunesmithover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m getting more interested in dipping my toes back into linux laptops, partly for privacy and control reasons, and partly because I&#x27;m finding it more difficult to develop on OS X as I am more frequently using micro services and docker and virtualization. I haven&#x27;t picked a platform yet though because I would like to see how &quot;free&quot; (libre) I can get for privacy&#x2F;control reasons, and it&#x27;s time-consuming to make the right choice - I see a couple Trisquel-related options including a 2006 Gluglug thinkpad (but it appears to be perpetually out of stock), and a &quot;novena&quot; (<a href="https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crowdsupply.com&#x2F;kosagi&#x2F;novena-open-laptop</a>) but it looks like that will still have some non-free stuff in it.
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LeoPantheraover 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve been using OS X since 10.2, though I keep a Windows box around for games. I also feel that OS X has become less stable and performant in recent years, and every now and then I spin up a Linux distro on a spare hard disk just to try it out.<p>These experiments rarely last very long, and almost always end because the video&#x2F;graphics support is just so terrible. I have yet to find a reliable way to play videos without horrible screen tearing.<p>But I don&#x27;t know what alternative there is. Windows&#x27; experiments with Metro was a disaster. PC-BSD has some really nice features (I love ZFS and use it on my fileserver) but has the same issues with hardware support, especially graphics hardware support.<p>I fear for the future.
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jackmaneyover 10 years ago
I came into the OS X game very late, starting at 10.8 (which was at a start up last summer). It took some adjusting, but in the end, it beats the hell out of Windows for a coding environment.<p>One thing that I loathed, though, was Messages. I find myself unable to make it work. Contacts? Nope, can&#x27;t find &#x27;em. Oh, wait there&#x27;s one--nope, it&#x27;s gone. Oh, wait, it&#x27;s there again. Oh, did you send a message? Nope, it didn&#x27;t get through. Sent another one? That one got through, but not the reply.<p>OS X is fine, but Messages is horribly, horribly broken. I could write better software, and I am a self-taught programmer.
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PhasmaFelisover 10 years ago
One thing that stands out for me:<p>&gt; <i>I&#x27;ve gone back to a desktop system running Linux (for now) and while I consider it markedly inferior to OS X in terms of usability, it feels like a personal computer again.</i><p>I like that Woz recognizes that usability (interface design, etc.) is (a) not the <i>most</i> important thing, but (b) it <i>is</i> still important. The idea that usability is the only thing that matters are the reason why people are moving away from OS X; the idea that usability is just useless bells and whistles is why Linux has never gained a major desktop foothold. There needs to be a balance.
nathanvanfleetover 10 years ago
All extremely valid points. I don&#x27;t really see the upgrades to OSX as very useful and have made things strangely unstable (since it seems that even the basic OS gets broken on each release). I think OSX is still the best OS to use though even if it doesn&#x27;t look like it&#x27;s headed in a good direction (I also do xCode dev sooo...). I wonder if some of the tools to turn off these new features could significantly improve the experience, though you&#x27;d still need to wait a few months after a 1.0 release of the OS to wait for the basic stability fixes
tmikaeldover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m amazed that no one talks about the issue of Applications on Linux... I&#x27;ve been running OS X as the main OS for the last 6 years and Windows since before that ever since Windows 3.0.<p>Also tried most of the *nix favours throughout the years - but so far the apps have been unable to replace those on OS X.<p>What i failed to find as replacement on Linux:<p>- User friendly two-way firewall like Hands Off! or Little Snitch.<p>- File-organizer app like Hazel.<p>- Multi-tab-column file-browser like Pathfinder.<p>- Screenshot + annotation manager&#x2F;editor like Voila.<p>- Window layout manager like Moom.<p>- Adobe Creative Suite (Yes, i can run it in a VM - but it&#x27;s s l o w!)
akulbeover 10 years ago
I am &gt;&lt; close to quitting it myself, for all the reasons he mentioned. I started using OS X in &#x27;04 (on Panther) and have been using it almost exclusively until recently when the bugs of Yosemite made me run back to Linux a few times.<p>I used to <i>confidently</i> recommend OS X to people as something that &quot;just works&quot;. I can no longer do so. It&#x27;s a buggy steaming pile.<p>For me, one of the things that made OS X so easy to use was the quality of the third-party apps. Right now, I have no less than 80 third-party apps installed on my MBP. I keep telling myself that that is a LOT of money to invest, to walk away. But then I remind myself that is the &quot;sunken cost fallacy&quot;... I cannot get the money back.<p>I wish that many of the same third-party apps existed for Linux. I&#x27;d be <i></i>HAPPY<i></i> to pay top dollar for stuff on Linux, just like I did on OS X. But at this point, it&#x27;s just not there.<p>I will go back to using Linux as my main machine, and LOTS of workarounds for the productivity apps I have on OS X.<p>I already have a ThinkPad W530 that is an absolute beast of a machine (32GB of RAM, 3 SSDs w&#x2F;2.1TB of usable space), but I may trade in my MBP for a Chromebook Pixel. At this point, it&#x27;s closer to &quot;just works&quot; than anything Apple is offering. :&#x2F;
hnriotover 10 years ago
This is a rather pointless debate but I have to agree that OSX is getting too &quot;consumer&quot; for this audience. I have a Thinkpad and it runs Linux great. A lot of the problems people here refer to are really where they should be on a consumer operating system. I&#x27;ve noticed this over recent years, hiring new intake from the top schools every year has seen a change. When I ask them what they want for their development machine. It used to be Macs with a sprinkling of Linux&#x2F;Thinkpad but now I see most going for Windows 7. Since all of our software is linux based the client machine only needs to be able to run ssh sessions but it&#x27;s interesting how many hard core developers want consumer operating systems. I&#x27;d not dream of doing work anything other than a Unix system, but maybe that&#x27;s just because I&#x27;ve grown up with it. Starting out with HP-UX on HP-9000 machines, Apollo, Next, NetBSD, Netware, etc etc. When my machine doesn&#x27;t work the way I want it I generally know how to fix it on Linux. For the majority of people using a consumer operating system that has nice gui tools for changing things is usually better unless you know what you&#x27;re doing.<p>Coming back to ditching OSX, the recent Chrome&#x2F;Netflix ability has made a big difference for me. That was the one last thing that was a pain, it was always possibly, but not always very reliable and a little tedious, but now there&#x27;s nothing left (besides of course Photoshop) that doesn&#x27;t run on Linux. It&#x27;s really less about the operating system and more about what you want to run, if it&#x27;s games then windows, if it&#x27;s designer&#x2F;photographer then OSX, if it&#x27;s nerd (git&#x2F;gcc&#x2F;python etc) then it&#x27;s linux.
pwthorntonover 10 years ago
From a usability perspective, I consider OS 10.10 the best version of OS X ever (and I manage development and UX work in my day job). It&#x27;s the reliability and QA that has really been slipping with OS X in recent versions. There are a lot of bugs, many features take several patches to work properly, and with the yearly release schedule, a new version of OS X doesn&#x27;t really become stable until a new version is announced.<p>I&#x27;ve been using OS X since 10.1, and the reliability of OS X has taken a dive ever since 10.7 launched. 10.6 was certainly the high water mark for reliability in OS X, and probably the best traditional version of OS X (and a version that I&#x27;d recommend a lot of people and companies stick with if it were still patched).<p>Feature wise, I really like 10.10. It makes me more productive, the software is easy on the eyes, and the iOS and iCloud integration is pretty great. I like all of that. But I really wish Apple would stop trying to push out new OS versions so fast and concentrate more on QA. Even iOS has been seen some bug creep lately.<p>I get pushing iOS, since the mobile space is so new, but do I really need a new desktop OS every year built on a paradigm from 30 years ago?
thesumofallover 10 years ago
Usability also has taken quite a dive with recent iterations of OS X. iOS, Windows and Android are all not only much more obvious to use for the average user but are also much more pleasant to look at. For a lot of basic stuff I need additional software on OS X (e.g. Spectacle) and the OS feels burdened by all the various UI approaches for basically the same thing (Launchpad, Dock, Expose, ...)
zak_mc_krackenover 10 years ago
I recently did the same thing: switched my personal laptop from Mac OS (since 2004) back to Windows. Couldn&#x27;t be happier.<p>All my development environment transferred without a hitch (bash and git worked right out of the box) and compared to Windows 8, Mac OS feels like a clunky, antiquated OS.<p>I still use Linux (work desktop) and Mac (work laptop) but Windows is really where I feel I&#x27;m the most productive these days.
danbmil99over 10 years ago
What system to use for development is a good question. Both popular commercial OS&#x27;s (OSX &amp; Windows) [&amp; Canonical with Unity, FWIW] are moving inexorably towards a more mobile&#x2F;tablet&#x2F;touchscreen feel, with an ever-expanding set of bells &amp; whistles for their core consumers. I think OSX became fashionable again among devs over the last few years due to its out-of-the-box UNIX-like terminal and underlying software stack, plus installation tools such as Homebrew and PIP (along with base level disdain for anything Microsoft).<p>Presently I run Mint in virtualbox on my Surface pro 3, because native Linux support does not appear to be there for multi-touch screens and features such as the detachable keyboard. Multi-touch and some sort of tablet mode (ie virtual kbd) are critical to be able to develop and test apps that are destined for anything other than desktop-only status (meaning basically all of them).<p>Is there a decent combination of hardware and FOSS OS that really fits today&#x27;s agile&#x2F;mobile developer?
intopiecesover 10 years ago
This thread has and will attract a great number of malcontents (selection bias?) but it&#x27;s sufficient to say that the changes made to OS X, over the protests of power users, has significantly increased the value of the brand. Mac sales, after succumbing to a small dip in 2013, are now back at an all time high. [0]<p>[0] <a href="http://www.statista.com/statistics/276308/global-apple-mac-sales-since-fiscal-year-2002/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.statista.com&#x2F;statistics&#x2F;276308&#x2F;global-apple-mac-s...</a><p>So this appears to be the result of popularization, or appealing to the bottom line consumer, the one that throws away an old computer to buy a brand new one instead of replacing components piecemeal. The bottom line is: OS X&#x27;s changes are not made for you, and you&#x27;re right to switch to something that suits your needs. Additionally, the claims of ineptitude are misplaced, given the information about their recent sales. It appears to be what consumers want.
iamcreasyover 10 years ago
As a Windows and Linux user, I was expecting some technical information about what made him quit. There wasn&#x27;t anything specific as to why those problems occurred.<p>My brother had his first Macbook Air a few months back and he didn&#x27;t do the Yosemite upgrade as well. When I ask him, why? He replied, &quot;I don&#x27;t think the update have anything for me.&quot;
NathanKPover 10 years ago
That directory merge issue really was annoying. I had LaTeX installed and it spent a good three hours merging the LaTeX install directory. I restarted the install once because I thought it had gotten hung, but when it happened again after I restarted I found the debug console and realized what it was doing.<p>Yosemite really did have an extremely poor install process.
aceperryover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s interesting to hear about OSX crashing. I didn&#x27;t think that was common. I&#x27;ve been a linux user for the longest time, and have always had to tweak something to get it running the way that I wanted to. That doesn&#x27;t bother me since I like to do that kind of stuff. That and the fact that I&#x27;ve never had any problems with linux crashing, especially compared to Windows, has kept me on linux. But I know a lot of people who left linux for OSX because they didn&#x27;t like to tweak things and just wanted to get things done.<p>A friend recently switched from a mac laptop at work to a windows laptop which surprised me. While she has always been a windows user, I was surprised that OSX didn&#x27;t convert her to the platform. I also noticed that as more and more people start using macs, I hear more and more grumbling about them.
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ape4over 10 years ago
Apple is probably glad to be rid of nerd&#x2F;hardcore users.
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x0054over 10 years ago
I must agree with the author on the issue of software quality coming out of Apple. Perhaps slowing down and concentrating on quality is something Apple should really consider. We do NOT need a new release of the OSX every single year. Further, I think they should really decouple the OS from the other included Applications, like Mail or Face Time. Basically I would love to see OSX ship with Finder and Preview, and the rest of the usually included apps be an optional download.<p>I don&#x27;t understand why the Copy of OSX I am running should dictate which copy of Mail, Safari, FaceTime, or iTunes I use. Also, I would really love to see Apple package at least 2 release worth of API libraries in each release, so that apps that have yet to be updated to the latest OSX could still run without issues.
sandGorgonover 10 years ago
A lot of people here default to Ubuntu for Linux (including me), but I encourage those who are moving from OSX to give Fedora 21 [1] a shot - The Gnome 3.14 UI and the systemd integration is a wonderful experience.<p>If I was not so vested in the whole debian ecosystem, Fedora 21 would have been perfect.<p>For those who have only ever used OSX, you should know that you need a USB stick to build a bootable LiveUSB - this allows you to try Linux without actually installing it on your Mac [2]<p>[1] <a href="https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getfedora.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;workstation&#x2F;download&#x2F;</a><p>[2] <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#unetbootin" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fedoraproject.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;How_to_create_and_use_Live_US...</a>
cbhlover 10 years ago
Oddly enough, I switched from Ubuntu Linux to OS X because of upgrade pains of my own -- regressions in the Intel display drivers on my older hardware, suffering performance as a result of Unity, and cloud services making changes to messaging protocols in ways that constantly broke Pidgin&#x2F;libpurple&#x2F;Empathy.<p>At one point, I had a workflow consisting of a Chromebook + Chrome + GMail + Secure Shell[0] + Linux VPS running Ubuntu Linux. It worked pretty well so long as I could rely on there being a fast, low-latency, stable internet connection (say, at a university). Then I moved to the Bay Area. ;)<p>[0] Chrome Extension which purportedly contains OpenSSH compiled for Portable Native Client so that it can run inside Chrome. Convenient, but YMMV for the paranoid.
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ryan-allenover 10 years ago
I think the system upgrade experience in Windows 8 is much better than OS X is these days. That was my tipping point.<p>I run Win8 full time now (on a Macbook Pro), and virtualise linux with Virtual Box. It&#x27;s very solid and you can &#x27;do everything&#x27; as well as live in a terminal.
breatheoftenover 10 years ago
A lot of people are commenting about various OSX changes that they perceive as regressions over the years ... But no one has commented on my pet peeve so I&#x27;m going to share it in hopes that someone else out there will commiserate with me. They changed the default system-wide keybinding for option-b, option-f, option-d and friends -- now instead of invoking useful text manipulation operations (which are hard-wired into my psyche after years of emacs use), these key-codes now print useless unicode characters... First thing I do on a clean-install of osx is change the keyboard binding -- but its incredibly annoying that these bindings don&#x27;t work when I sit down at someone else&#x27;s mac ...
Or1onover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m curious if using a tiny computer such as ODROID-XU3 running Ubuntu and a Widows laptop could work for web development.<p>The pocket computer needs to be battery powered, able to run virtual machines and have ethernet&#x2F;wifi. SSH and Cygwin gnome-terminal (for tabs) could be used to connect from the Windows laptop.<p>I have been using Ubuntu for many years but there are a number of windows audio applications that do not run well under wine or OSX. This setup would allow me to do web development using Vagrant VMs, Photoshop etc and switch to audio work without having to reboot.<p>I have tried running Ubuntu guest VMs from windows and it&#x27;s not always ideal for development. There are issues with VMs inside VM that a pocket computer would not have.
bricestaceyover 10 years ago
I am like the author. Natively, I just use Google Chrome, iTerm2, and Android Studio. Otherwise, I don&#x27;t really do anything else (well, I do a lot from the CLI, thanks homebrew). It&#x27;s an amazing experience though. No complaints.<p>I will say my 2009 MBP core 2 duo with an HDD is slow and painful to use, but I upgraded to the top of the line in 2014 and I&#x27;m very happy. It doesn&#x27;t really surprise me. I mean, come on. What computer is he using? If he bought a new one I&#x27;m sure there would be no problems. If you can&#x27;t afford it, you probably shouldn&#x27;t be buying Apple anyway. It&#x27;s like a poor person complaining that skiing is too expensive. Duh.
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nnainover 10 years ago
I was planning to move to OSX and then Yosemite happened! Been running Windows 10 Technical Preview for 2 months on an i5, 12GB laptop and it&#x27;s been pretty stable. Just rebooted the machine yesterday after 4-5 days of heavy use; it didn&#x27;t even need the reboot. Even computer viruses seem to have been plugged. My only grudge is with the Web Development environment and unavailability of XCode on Windows. I use Ubuntu exclusively for all web development work.<p>Trying to make Windows 8, OSX and Ubuntu Unity more like mobile OSes was a really bad move. All that people want is a great desktop experience, why make a small 5&quot; touchscreen the inspiration for the desktop?!
phamiltonover 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve said multiple times that I use OS X because it&#x27;s the only unix with netflix.<p>Apparently that&#x27;s changed. I haven&#x27;t tried the latest ubuntu with chrome and netflix, but if it does indeed work I think I may try switching.
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mikebelangerover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m getting the same feeling lately with OS X. I think part of the feeling stems from other operating systems improving, thus making OS X not as attractive by comparison. I switched to OS X in 2007. At that point, Windows was a mess, and most Linux distros were hard to configure. OS X seemed like a breeze back then. Nowadays, Windows has improved a lot, and a lot of Linux distros have greatly improved their usability. OS X just doesn&#x27;t stand out like it used to.<p>To top it off, Apple has shifted their focus from &#x27;it just works&#x27; to &#x27;buy a new iPhone&#x2F;iPad for no reason&#x27;.
graycatover 10 years ago
My term for OP&#x27;s agony is <i>mud wrestling</i>.<p>I feel the pain:<p>&lt;rant&gt; YMMV<p>#1 Problem in Computing: Poorly written documentation to explain the system, tool, program, whatever. The OP had this problem.<p>#2 Problem in Computing: System management as in hard&#x2F;software selection, installation, configuration, monitoring, updating. The OP had this problem, too.<p>#2.1 Special Problem: System security. The source of my most recent case of mud wrestling.<p>#3 Problem in Computing: Hard&#x2F;software design that results in tools that are efficient and effective to use. Yup, OP had this problem.<p>#4 Problem in Computing: Everything else. Maybe OP didn&#x27;t have any of these problems!<p>YMMV &lt;&#x2F;rant&gt;
o_____________oover 10 years ago
Photoshop remains the reason I haven&#x27;t used Linux as my primary OS for a couple years now. I held out for a long time, but it&#x27;s just a singularly useful piece of software with no reasonable equivalents.
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kzahelover 10 years ago
I can recommend trying a chromebook. You get a &quot;linux&quot; (crouton) laptop with excellent battery life and you don&#x27;t have to spend hours upon hours of wrestling with custom wifi firmware, etc. The only drawback is that disk space is extremely limited, and there is still no real &quot;mid-range&quot; version (they all seem to have shitty non-IPS screens except Toshiba&#x27;s latest). Also if you press space bar and then enter upon booting it&#x27;ll wipe your chroot! :-) And if you need virtualization or custom kernels, also probably not a good fit.
RoseOover 10 years ago
I got fed up the other week and on a whim switched to Xubuntu on my 2013 MBA and other than no drivers for the PCI based webcam (Apple webcams no longer sit on the USB bus) which I barely used anyway, everything is pretty much fine apart from a few quirks (Trackpad settings and brightness control which were easily fixed). I had a Time Machine backup just in case if I hated it.<p>If anything after spending years using various distros on servers it makes sense to start using it on the desktop too as it is exactly the same experience I&#x27;m used to, with a bonus of a GUI.
na85over 10 years ago
I just do not get why people complain about Pulse.<p>Don&#x27;t get me wrong, I think Poettering is a blight on the Linux landscape but I&#x27;ve installed pulseaudio dozens of times and never had a problem once.
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dba7dbaover 10 years ago
Yosemite is turning out to be like Windows Vista. It&#x27;s a shame because I have such good memories of the real Yosemite National Park.<p>Dang it, why did they have to use Yosemite as the name of this OS?
mbillie1over 10 years ago
I appreciate the points made, but without comparisons on a point-by-point basis, I&#x27;m still left wondering what the specific linux runes are to replace OS X - even for this one user.
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helmsbover 10 years ago
I was a diehard Mac user for nearly 15 years and just recently switched back to Windows (bought a Surface Pro 3). Couldn&#x27;t imagine going back at this point. I&#x27;m one of the few people that actually likes Windows 8 and it sings on the Surface. There are a lot of things I miss about the Mac, specifically the high quality independent apps but having a super portable machine that can serve as my tablet and my laptop is so much nicer than my MBP&#x2F;iPad combo.
elrodeoover 10 years ago
What frustrates me most in the recent time is the wall of bugs I face in Mac OS X and Safari particularly. It is getting so ridiculous that even some Apple-pages do not work in Safari for me, s.t. I have to switch to Chrome to get the content. For example, opening this URL:<p><a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/PH18686?viewlocale=en_US" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.apple.com&#x2F;kb&#x2F;PH18686?viewlocale=en_US</a><p>results in just a white page in the latest Safari on Yosemite.
chmarsover 10 years ago
According to the article, the author was using Firefox, a non-Apple mail client and a non-Apple terminal client. That made quitting OS X of course not that difficult …<p>In spite of all annoying and time-consuming issues with OS X, I could not afford to switch to Linux, especially not in a business context. SaaS could help, however, the leading SaaS provider are US-based and I can therefore not used them for legal reasons, e.g., due to data privacy legislation.
drivenover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s meaningless to comment on the &#x27;usability&#x27; of &#x27;Linux&#x27;. That&#x27;s the only fault I&#x27;m finding in what is otherwise quite a good piece of consumer feedback, highlighting the lack of choice given to users throughout the life cycle of proprietary operating systems. A major issue is the necessitation of online accounts and the focus on sharing content, which is still completely irrelevant to many users.
caternover 10 years ago
In the escape to Linux, I encourage looking at Fedora. Fedora 21 marked the start of an effort to create a developer-focused &quot;Fedora Workstation&quot; version of Fedora (alongside Fedora Server and Fedora Cloud products). I&#x27;ve been using it since its first release last month and I&#x27;ve been really impressed. Check it out: <a href="https://getfedora.org/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getfedora.org&#x2F;</a>
bscliftonover 10 years ago
Apple is a hardware company, plain and simple. Software is always going to be a second class citizen in their ecosystem. I was really mad at Apple during the switch from 68k to PPC and they completely lost me when going from Mac OS Classic to OSX.<p>If you chose Mac and you&#x27;re looking to use a platform for a decent amount of time without upgrading hardware or having your environment break, you&#x27;re going to have a bad time
GoofballJonesover 10 years ago
Weird, productivity was the reason I quit Linux. I spent nearly half my time &#x27;tweaking&#x27; things to make it run the way I wanted, instead of getting things done. I honestly love Yosemite. Still searching for the &quot;iOSification&quot; people talk of though.<p>Meh, to each their own. It always amuses me though that people have to tell the world why they&#x27;re going to switch to a different OS.
MBlumeover 10 years ago
I find it interesting how much agreement there is, not just that OS X is now declining, but that Snow Leopard in particular was the high point.
mark_l_watsonover 10 years ago
After running Yosemite from an upgrade for a long while, I recently did a complete disk wipe and a fresh install without using my time machine backups. This is just one data point, but the effort was worthwhile because my system feels faster and more solid.<p>I had done Time machine installs for years, and I probably had a lot of cruft.
cgijoeover 10 years ago
I find that OS X (even 10.10) is perfectly usable after applying many of the famous dotfile hacks by mathias bynens: <a href="https://github.com/mathiasbynens/dotfiles/blob/master/.osx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;mathiasbynens&#x2F;dotfiles&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;.osx</a><p>These restore my sanity :)
aareetover 10 years ago
I find it peculiar that he spends the whole post complaining about OS X and then proceeds to say that he switched to an alternative that he considers &quot;markedly inferior&quot; to OS X. Doesn&#x27;t seem like there was value to his quitting at all besides a &quot;change of scenery&quot;.
SwellJoeover 10 years ago
I have primarily used Linux on the desktop, and then laptop, since 1995. It wasn&#x27;t always painless. Still occasionally is not painless. But, neither is Mac OS X or Windows, and the Linux desktop&#x2F;laptop experience is, by far, the best it&#x27;s ever been. The pain just takes different shapes, and I&#x27;ve never seriously considered switching to Windows or Mac for my primary OS, though I&#x27;ve always had a Windows partition available to boot into and I&#x27;ve occasionally had a Hackintosh to play with.<p>When it comes down to it, the conveniences Linux gives me far overshadow the minor pains of having to Google hardware before I buy it to make sure there are drivers. Even on this front, I&#x27;ve almost completely stopped doing it...I&#x27;ve bought several pieces of hardware on a whim in the past few years without thinking, &quot;Oh, wait, will this work?&quot; then plugging it in and have it Just Work. No driver installation, no Googling for errors, just a working camera, sound card, MIDI controller, etc. The major hardware makers, like GPU and network vendors, are all on board. If you buy quality hardware, it is almost certainly gonna work with Linux (and all that old hardware that stopped working with Windows several years ago, due to no new drivers, is still working in modern Linux; this is true for me of two 24 bit audio interfaces, and a MIDI controller).<p>The command line experience of Linux is simply superior to the alternatives. Mac OS has bash, sure, but all the stuff is in the wrong place with crazy long paths, and all of the software is installed via ornery dysfunctional package bundles from Apple (or from an alternative source, like MacPorts or similar; I truly hate the package management situation on Mac OS X). The command line feels clumsy and bolted on, even though there&#x27;s UNIX at the core of Mac OS X.<p>Actually, a huge part of it probably comes down to package management, for me. Package management is so bad on Windows and Mac OS X, and so good on Linux (yum and apt are just really excellent), that I feel a little dirty installing stuff on those platforms. Being able to choose from thousands of packages, especially developer packages, having all the Perl modules I use already packaged and easy to install, having all the Go and node stuff packaged up nicely and ready for tinkering, having a lot of the system built on Python and shell scripts with the source readily available, all of this stuff just adds up to a tinkerers dream.<p>I feel like I learn something new when I figure out problems on Linux; I feel like I&#x27;m being punished when I run into problems on Mac OS X or Windows, even if I get them solved. It&#x27;s just such a different feeling. I&#x27;m sure for someone who isn&#x27;t technically minded, the experience would be the same...an opaque system that isn&#x27;t working right. But, for me, when I&#x27;m able to patch something and send it off to the maintainer, I feel happy and content. I feel frustration when I run into problems on Mac OS X or Windows. All systems of the size and complexity of a modern OS have problems, it&#x27;s just a difference of how they get resolved that makes the difference.
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bradorover 10 years ago
I did the same last year. 2 weeks and I moved my life out of the Apple ecosystem to Win 7&#x2F;android. It&#x27;s nice to feel happy to sit at a computer again and have everything just work and feel mine again.<p>I recommend you look at your options and consider the same.
m3talridl3yover 10 years ago
My solution has been to have multiple computers at my desk. Windows for &quot;serious work&quot; (like playing music, youtube videos), and a text-only linux machine (well, a fullscreened terminal emulator, I need the GUI for clipboard functionality).
mavdiover 10 years ago
For me it&#x27;s the fact that so many of the new wave of techs are mainly focused on Linux. Docker being one. I think OSX is losing it&#x27;s hacker status. Linux as an open source OS will eventually take over in this market.
zeckenover 10 years ago
Am I the only person who likes Yosemite? The interface is cleaner, spotlight isn&#x27;t useless anymore, and messages now works with regular texts as well. Nothing is really broken from previous releases either...
aoakenfoover 10 years ago
Somebody should start a new computer company (out of your garage of course) by customizing Linux for Mac hardware and call it Orange<p>Orange computers in a nutshell:<p>- beautiful hardware<p>- minimal OS features. no bloat.<p>- works out of the box<p>- a solid Unix environment for development
mkawiaover 10 years ago
Is there a faster file search than in linux in the latest FileBrowser(gnome&#x2F;nautilus) . It&#x27;s crazy fast ,no indexing and finds files in huge hard disks in seconds .
mvkelover 10 years ago
Kind of lame that Geoff cites usability issues as being the main reason he switched to Linux, then tweets that usability issues weren&#x27;t the reason he switched.<p>I don&#x27;t get it.
hisyamover 10 years ago
Why do some people hate Launchpad? I use it all the time and I like it.<p>If you don&#x27;t like it just remove the Launchpad icon from the dock and don&#x27;t hit the F4 key.
markragesover 10 years ago
I made the same switch a year ago and I&#x27;m happier back in Linux.<p>It was the breakage of Spotlight-Preview integration that removed my last reason to stay on OS X.
everyoneover 10 years ago
He should try windows 7. I have experience doing many different computery tasks (cad, photoshop, making music, programming,making games + the usual) on linux, windows and osx (+ messing with android and iOS (and DOS and the c64&#x27;s os back in the day)) Windows 7 is in my opinion the best modern OS for personal productivity ie. getting stuff done without much fuss. I also feel in control of it. I have it set up exactly the way I want (for best performance) and updates are very unintrusive and tend to mainly be security updates.
elberto34over 10 years ago
Just trying to get itunes to work on a PC was enough to make me swear off Apple products . Like windows 8, too much clutter and other annoynces
inancgumusover 10 years ago
@inancgumus: @newsycombinator Completely disagree. Only agree with Launchpad and it does not decrease any usability either.
owenwilover 10 years ago
I don&#x27;t think Yosemite is as bad as people are making out; there have been some odd bugs, but many of them are caused by odd legacy migrations from old laptops or botched upgrades it seems. A fresh install seems to fix many problems experienced by many.<p>Even if OS X Yosemite is buggy, I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s worth the switch to Linux for a desktop machine. It&#x27;s a step backwards.
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inancgumusover 10 years ago
I completely disagree. Only agree on Launchpad and it does not decrease any usability either.
sameertoothover 10 years ago
Now I&#x27;m curious if Steve Wozniak still uses OS X...?
gchokovover 10 years ago
To me, this guy is a drama queen. More like, getting old and refusing to learn. &quot;Mac OS X is not personal anymore.&quot; Really?
marauder2369over 10 years ago
another guy who needs it to be complicated to feel superior about his computer skills. Messages in Yosemite is amazing. sms and phone calls perfect. hand off is a revelation. and it&#x27;s just damn gorgeous
gregjorover 10 years ago
Remember that Macs are primarily sold to consumers looking for a nice home laptop, students, and certain creative professionals. If Linux is even an option for you, and you&#x27;re reading and commenting here, that says you are probably not in any of those groups.<p>I&#x27;ve used Macs since 1984, and I&#x27;m on my second MBA, following two MBPs and too many Apple desktops to count. I have also owned many, many Windows PCs. My work is almost entirely on servers running Linux. I am familiar with all three setups.<p>As a developer Windows is too much of a pain, mainly because it&#x27;s not Unix, so I can&#x27;t even come close to duplicating a typical server setup. Windows has steadily improved over the years but I soured on it a long time ago, and even now I wonder how serious developers can use it, unless they are developing for Windows. Typical Windows laptops are terrible quality (I buy one or two every year for my kids), and the nicer Windows laptops are just as expensive as a MacBook, but with worse battery life, and of course they&#x27;re running Windows. If you think OSX has been polluted with iOS ideas, look at what happened with Windows 8.<p>I&#x27;d love to run Linux on a laptop, and I&#x27;ve done it a few times, but the overall experience always gets frustrating. I can live with tracking down drivers and fixing incompatibilities during an install, but I don&#x27;t want to keep doing it. Having software at every level -- drivers, OS components, applications -- coming at me from so many uncoordinated sources just creates a level of DLL Hell (shared libraries and drivers) that makes me wistful for Windows 98. Linux is a good server OS, but as a desktop&#x2F;laptop OS it&#x27;s an also-ran for a variety of reasons that everyone here already knows.<p>I travel a lot (digital nomad, I guess) so overall build quality (durability) and battery life are the most important features in a laptop, for me. The MBA and MBP are clearly the best available right now, though I&#x27;ve seen high-end Lenovo and Sony laptops that appear equivalent to my Macbook, but with poorer battery life (I get 9 hours on my 13&quot; MBA), and the same or higher price tag. I don&#x27;t have time or patience to waste non-billable hours trying to twist the OS and UI into my vision of perfection. I don&#x27;t even want a desktop background picture. I&#x27;m not a teenager trying to personalize everything.<p>Most Mac users are not going to install a lot of apps, or try to tweak the OS, or make many demands on their system that Apple didn&#x27;t anticipate. For most Mac users the experience is good out of the box. The more you fuss with it the more likely you will break something, or introduce an incompatibility, or get some crap application or browser extension on it. Developers and hackers (and gamers) are most prone to this, and they will struggle with their computer no matter who made it or what OS it runs. They&#x27;re like teenagers customizing a car, then complaining that their Toyota Corolla isn&#x27;t reliable, gets poor gas mileage, and overheats now that they&#x27;ve overriden all of the defaults and tweaked it to suit their personal style.<p>I&#x27;m not saying OSX is perfect for me out of the box, but it&#x27;s close enough. I don&#x27;t need to bolt a spoiler on the back, lower the springs, install new rims, and replace the fuel injection chip. I&#x27;ve disabled Launchpad (easy), Dashboard (easy), excessive notifications (easy), iCloud (reasonably easy), transparent windows (easy), accessibility&#x2F;usability shortcuts and gestures I don&#x27;t like (easy), and installed some newer versions of Unix apps I use (usually easy, but can go wrong -- try doing it on Windows). I don&#x27;t like iPhoto taking over when I plug my phone in but I managed to turn that off -- maybe it helps that I use an Android phone.<p>My MBA is used at least four hours every day and travels in a backpack. It&#x27;s up for weeks at a time, I usually only have to reboot it for an OS upgrade or patch, or if I run the battery dead. I use Yosemite, it seems OK, no better or worse than previous OSX releases. I don&#x27;t have problems with wi-fi, audio, overheating, or battery life. Maybe I&#x27;m just lucky but that&#x27;s been my experience with every Apple laptop, and it has not been my experience with any Windows or Linux laptop.<p>Macs and OSX have real issues, sure, and there&#x27;s no reason not to discuss them. But if you are experiencing frequent crashes, freezes, bugs, dead battery, etc. it&#x27;s most likely because of something you&#x27;ve done, or maybe a faulty machine, than a conspiracy at Apple or a decline in their software QA. Just remember that you are by definition not the mass market Apple sells to. That mass market is very happy with Apple&#x27;s products, as their sales and stock price continue to demonstrate.<p>Disclaimer: I worked for Apple more than 25 years ago, I have nothing to do with the company anymore except as a user of their products.
geerlingguyover 10 years ago
FYI this was not posted by &#x27;the Woz&#x27;, but rather by the unrelated Geoff Wozniak. I imagine many others may have clicked through owing to the domain.
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caryhartlineover 10 years ago
Um, okay? This is like being told why someone switched office chairs.<p>This only got to the top of Hacker News because of this guy&#x27;s last name.
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_almosnowover 10 years ago
Apple&#x27;s screwing it up with software. Too bad because they undoubtedly had the best OS ever.<p>I remember seeing a few posts here and there where people complained about performance degrading each time they upgraded OS X. My last 3 laptops had been Mac&#x27;s (a White Macbook, then a Macbook Pro from 2010, then a Retina Macbook Pro from these days...) and while I feel &#x27;satisfied&#x27; I also kind of noticed that performance is always worse, and somehow the more I upgrade, the more I feel like a pain the ass when I use that computer. Since there are no serious benchmarks on to this (I wonder why) I always thought that it was more of a &#x27;feeling&#x27; than something real, or that maybe, sure there was a bit more lag but I&#x27;m running more &#x27;advanced&#x27; software.<p>So yeah, that was me dreaming about how $4,000+ dollars on laptops had not gone down the drain when I paid a visit to an old friend. I asked my friend to borrow his computer because I needed to check an email and he did. Old friend&#x27;s Macbook is one of these [1], that is, a laptop that wasn&#x27;t even top of the line TEN YEARS AGO. I&#x27;ve opened and became surprised that battery still worked. &quot;Dude, have you ever replaced the battery on this?&quot; &quot;Nope&quot; &quot;Weird, maybe he just doesn&#x27;t use it too much&quot;... Laptop woke up almost immediately, it had OS X Tiger running... Tiger... not even leopard.<p>And then I started using it... HOLY F<i></i>* (excuse the expletives) I WISH MY F<i></i>* RETINA MACBOOK WORKED LIKE THAT. Everything was smooth, Firefox opened like immediately (no SSD obv. but ok maybe it was already on RAM), I was able to finish my work and read a few articles and I felt really comfortable the whole time, and I want to clarify on this, I didn&#x27;t felt that I was using a computer to do my work, that was kind of the magic that Apple products used to have (all of them, even iPods...). Now I&#x27;m always like, oh I gotta do this, click ... wait ... open this ... wait ... send this ... wait ... change this setting ... wait. Now I can state it for sure, Apple is really screwing it up on its software.<p>I haven&#x27;t dropped Apple because fortunately for them, most other laptops feel even worst (at least they haven&#x27;t screwed the trackpad yet...) but as soon as a well-made Linux notebook appears I&#x27;m out.<p>[1] <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/MacBook_Pro_situated_on_a_wooden_table.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;upload.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wikipedia&#x2F;commons&#x2F;2&#x2F;24&#x2F;MacBook_P...</a>
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ehack1971over 10 years ago
This should be deleted from Hacker News,complete waste of our time. Linux or OS X is a preference and based on needs and personal preference. Who cares about this person on why they left OS X. Idiots.
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pikachu_is_coolover 10 years ago
Wow, talk about clickbait.
zkhaliqueover 10 years ago
I warned about this back in the day, when iOSification was on the horizon. The trouble started after Steve Jobs died. Yes, iOS before him had problems but nothing like what came after. The obsession with &quot;wheeee we can get rid of all skeumorphism&quot; caused Apple to become a follower and not an innovator, and took away focus from things that really mattered.
mountainhackerover 10 years ago
What a lame post. If his goal is to make his life easier, working on Linux every day is a laughable solution.
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Tamazyover 10 years ago
I was about to quit OS X, because of problems like those :<p>- MacBook Pro fans -&gt; rocket mode<p>- Mail app is not enough sync with my iPhone -&gt; only 1 kind of flag available<p>- I&#x27;m working with dropbox, and when I want to use Pages on iCloud, I&#x27;m obliged to move my file in the special iCloud directory... so annoying<p>- When I edit some stuff on my Pages app, it&#x27;s not possible for anybody to read&#x2F;edit the file online (iCloud.com). Also the SaaS is really slow compare to Google Drive.<p>- Message app is not totally sync on my devices... I mean when I read a message on one device, it&#x27;s still unread on an other...<p>- iTunes isn&#x27;t so easy to use...<p>- safari isn&#x27;t so cool compare to chrome or firefox<p>- right click &quot;new file&quot; DOESN&#x27;T EXIST<p>- etc.<p>Then I realized Linux, Ubuntu are not so sync either and have many other problems and Windows isn&#x27;t an option.<p>Do we have the choice after all ? I&#x27;m still waiting for the futur OS 11 to fulfill my queries...
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S_A_Pover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m sure this guy is savvy but I think that he gets much more credence due to his last name being Wozniak. Sorry but any post saying &quot;why I did ____&quot; seems to rub me the wrong way. I would have much more respect for a post that outlined issues found and how to reproduce them than a &quot;I&#x27;m tired of this so you should be too&quot; kind of post. personally I don&#x27;t ca if you know or like&#x2F;dislike what I use to work. If I wanted apple or anyone else to fix a problem I would file a bug report for this items I can&#x27;t deal with as opposed to throwing a hissyfit about how my needs aren&#x27;t being met by a company.
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ehack1971over 10 years ago
Remove this article, not relevant to this site and why he left OS X means nothing to anyone else or the hackers out here. I use both and love OS X, but does anyone care why?