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The Fire phone debacle

233 pointsby czr80over 10 years ago

38 comments

saosebastiaoover 10 years ago
This has classic Amazon politics written all over it. I&#x27;m pretty far removed from anything Kindle&#x2F;Fire related, but this was my best guess at what happened based off of the Amazon I know:<p>Jeff said make a phone (probably like 5 years ago). They pulled orgs apart and mashed them into this superorg with several VPs and dozens of Directors, with the software teams in Seattle but the hardware folks in a completely different city, and then told them to work it out. In the course of working it out, the hundreds of cooks elbowing each other in the overcrowded kitchen resulted in delay after delay, with the final feature set being a mashup of 40 different director&#x27;s flagship bullshit-o-tron that they expect to be promoted for (OMG...everybody is gonna think useless 3D stuff that kills the battery is so coool...I can&#x27;t wait to be reporting directly to Jeff!!!). Come crunch time, the product managers all schedule their SDEs to show up to a 2 hour meeting so they can discuss the same exact plan to ship on time that they discussed yesterday for 2 hours.<p>Now that it is a dud, nobody wants to touch it, so all the Directors&#x2F;VPs migrate laterally to different orgs (or quit) and then rinse and repeat. Meanwhile, the bug list grows bigger by the day, a handful of software engineers go crazypants optimization on a non-bottleneck feature, and all the sane people just hope for a day where we can forget about it all and focus on some other new whizburger.
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bambaxover 10 years ago
&gt; <i>When Bezos insisted that the original 2007 Kindle include a cellular connection so customers could download and access e-books from anywhere, people thought the idea was an exorbitant flourish (...) When Bezos encouraged a free-shipping initiative, executives pushed back, nervous about its impact on earnings. (...) So when it came to the Fire Phone, says one former product lead, &quot;Yes, there was heated debate about whether it was heading in the right direction. But at a certain point, you just think, ‘Well, this guy has been right so many times before.’&quot;</i><p>It must be extremely hard&#x2F;impossible to challenge Jeff Bezos when you&#x27;re... well when you&#x27;re not him.<p>However, the examples given here of Jeff being right, are about features that <i>benefit customers</i> (at a cost that some people thought was too high).<p>But the problem with the 3-D functionality wasn&#x27;t that it was costing the company too much. It was that nobody could figure out how it would be useful -- at any cost for Amazon, or the customer.<p>I remember the videos promoting the Fire phone with random people saying &quot;wow&quot;... they reminded me of the Windows Vista videos, with random people looking out their window and staring at deer in the morning sun.<p>If you have to pay actors to say &quot;wow&quot; in a video maybe there&#x27;s a problem.
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blisterpeanutsover 10 years ago
In my opinion, Amazon should have gone with a generic budget phone to augment their &quot;Amazon Basics&quot; line of dependable, economical cables, USB hubs, and so forth.<p>I would make it a plain, vanilla Nexus-like phone running vanilla Android with no skins and not tied to any contracts or carriers, but priced $50 less than a comparable Nexus 5 or whatever is the current Nexus. Or else, make it about $400 but throw in a year of Prime to sweeten the deal. Maybe add a couple of features to distinguish it, such as a microSD memory expansion port. Forget the lame Amazon AppStore, or at least provide both -- AppStore and Google Play, and let the customer choose.<p>Such a device might not sell 20 million units in the first week, but it would sell a heck of a lot better than the Fire Phone did. Heck, I would have bought one. I went with a Nexus 5 just a couple of months ago, after the very pricey Nexus 6 was announced. There&#x27;s a good market for a vanilla, plain Android phone, and Prime would make it a no-brainer.<p>The article makes Bezos sound a bit over-controlling and zany, but at least the author hastens to add that second guessing Bezos and Amazon is a risky business. Who knows? Perhaps the Fire 2 will get it right. (I hope Jeff&#x27;s reading this!)
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devindotcomover 10 years ago
When I attended the launch, they had a hands-on period where I noticed a few of the issues people have pointed out in reviews. But every phone has issues.<p>More worryingly, I asked about a few things that the unique tech in the Fire Phone could be used for - nothing groundbreaking, just little suggestions: &quot;It&#x27;d be great to have the tilt controls do ____ here&quot; or &quot;Do you have plans to allow users to turn this on&#x2F;off?&quot; Things like that. Almost all were met with a &quot;wow, no, I don&#x27;t think so, we haven&#x27;t looked into that at all.&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t mean to suggest I&#x27;m some sort of UX genius or anything, these were just ordinary features one would expect to have been considered (and possibly rejected) based on everything Apple, Google, and Microsoft have done to advance the state of the art. Amazon hadn&#x27;t given a moment&#x27;s thought to any of them! Combined with the other stuff they tend to do in their original hardware, it cemented my thoughts that there&#x27;s some kind of weird naivete pervading their entire hardware process, and no one to even recognize it, much less address it.<p>I was pretty sure from the second I was given the phone to hold that it would be a dud, but felt it was possible that ingenuity might save the day. Unfortunately not the case, and it&#x27;s too bad because there&#x27;s so much cool stuff in there!
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dperfectover 10 years ago
Amazon seems to have truly become the Walmart of e-commerce, and I&#x27;m not just talking about what the company <i>does</i> (commerce), but rather what the brand represents.<p>That&#x27;s not necessarily a bad thing. Walmart and Amazon have proven that if you dominate the supply chain landscape and offer a huge variety with low margins, you can do moderately well (i.e. stay in business). But with so much being essentially commodity goods and services (physical and digital), you really can&#x27;t expect higher margins. So Amazon lives on, even after 20 years in the business.<p>But with that much history and branding (intentional and unintentional), you really can&#x27;t expect to create demand for your own <i>premium</i> products - competing with companies that have spent the same amount of time (decades) marketing themselves as design-driven, high quality, premium brands.<p>It appears that Amazon expects to pull a complete 180 with their brand overnight, as if a product itself (if it&#x27;s &quot;cool enough&quot;) can negate and rise above 20 years of commodity reseller branding.<p>Sounds a bit like the lone hacker who expects their next mobile app to explode with popularity just because it exists and might have a small edge on the competition. Except in this case, Fire Phone didn&#x27;t even have an edge. Still, I&#x27;m convinced that <i>even if it had been better</i> than the iPhone (or whichever best Android phone) in almost every way, it still would have been doomed for failure.<p>No one brags about getting the Walmart version of something. The same could be said for Amazon.<p>I do respect the company&#x27;s efforts to take &quot;bold&quot; risks. I also really want Amazon to succeed - I&#x27;m a very happy Prime and AWS customer, and I think their hardware is actually pretty good. I just wonder if the big bets would be better placed on products and services that better align with the brand they&#x27;ve created already.
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ursidaeover 10 years ago
For an example of the phone Amazon should have built, check out the Yotaphone 2:<p><a href="https://yotaphone.com/gb-en/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;yotaphone.com&#x2F;gb-en&#x2F;</a><p>Wonder if Amazon could buy them?
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serve_yayover 10 years ago
It was a huge flop, but I wonder how much of a problem that really is for Amazon. They&#x27;ll keep trying until they hit something that works for them. And they don&#x27;t make their revenue from devices - a phone flopping would be an unmitigated disaster for Apple. For Amazon I&#x27;m not sure why it&#x27;s anything more than a slight embarrassment. (Well, I guess a series of flops could damage their brand to the point that future efforts are doomed simply by association. That would be bad.)<p>The article seems to be making the point that this is an indicator of something wrong at Amazon but I am extremely skeptical of that. I think they just try stuff and see what works.
bengali3over 10 years ago
&gt; As an investor you have to ask yourself, Is this company doing too many things?<p>I&#x27;d be more inclined to ask: Are they winning at enough things? If no, then are they doing enough things?<p>One of my favorite quotes that I gathered last year is from Jeff: &quot;Risk is a necessary component of progress&quot;
aethersonover 10 years ago
This article really reminded me how much Apple screwed up to let Android get a foothold. Look how unassailable the Apple and Android are now -- you can&#x27;t get a foothold at the bottom of the market because it&#x27;s hugely fragmented and there are no profit margins, while at the top of the market you&#x27;re taking on beloved brands and have to try crazy over-the-top bets to get in the door -- which usually backfire.<p>Android could have been the Fire Phone of its day. The earliest Android phones were just amazingly bad compared to the iPhone. But iPhones were only available on AT&amp;T. Do you live in an area where AT&amp;T had no service? Your only choice was an Android. iPhones insisted for years on having exactly one clearly unpopular screen size. Want a 4&quot; screen? Your only choice was an Android. Apple refused to develop a downmarket phone. Want something less than a flagship? Your only choice was an Android.<p>That window has closed. iOS has finally filled in all the places it used to suck (well, maybe except for developing an economical model, but last year&#x27;s phone looks better now than it used to, and in any case Android filled that niche to the overflowing).
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sekasiover 10 years ago
Bold or irresponsible move? Not sure. Given the incredibly low profit margin of most non-iphone smartphones on the market today (I think the average samsung profit margin on a phone is $11) I can&#x27;t help but wonder what the real source of revenue was planned to be.<p>Increased shopping through mobile? Make your android&#x2F;ios products better?<p>It just never made any sense, but I guess many successful products don&#x27;t make initial sense either.
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pbreitover 10 years ago
I don&#x27;t get the Fire phone at all. iPhone users are never going to switch to it. Can&#x27;t see Android users switching either. I appreciate that they tried some new things such as Firefly (although that is apparently available on iOS&#x2F;Android, as it should be), the gestures and some of the other UI differences. But the 3D stuff is lame and the overall aesthetic is dreadful.<p>The Kindle is apparently doing well and makes perfect sense.<p>And 2 of my new favorite gadgets are Fire TV (vocal search is the way to go) and Echo (very well done an a no-brainer at $99).<p>ps I got my Fire phone for $199 no-contract with free year of Prime ($99 net unlocked).
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pbhjpbhjover 10 years ago
&gt;&quot;it now sells for 99 cents&quot; (OP) &#x2F;&#x2F;<p>Where can I get one for 99c, in UK on ebay [new] they&#x27;re about £200 (~$300) on O2 network or £250 unlocked. Lowest monthly for a contract is £28.
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jayessover 10 years ago
So one product didn&#x27;t pan out during its first iteration. Not exactly the end of the world.<p>This also makes me wonder if they are rolling out the Echo the way they are because of Fire Phone. Invitation only and a (presumably) demand-driven supply chain.
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umbsover 10 years ago
&quot;In October, Amazon shocked shareholders when it reported a $437 million net loss for the quarter, its biggest in 14 years.&quot;<p>Please pardon my ignorance on Accounting. I don&#x27;t have basic Accounting 101 knowledge, but please help me understand this. If I, as an individual, loose certain amount of money, it is most likely from my savings. Otherwise, it must be on my credit card, which means, I lost the bank&#x27;s money. Eventually, I need to repay.<p>How can a company that hasn&#x27;t made much profit over the years, loose $437 million? If it hasn&#x27;t made profit, it has no savings. Clearly &#x27;someone&#x27; is giving Amazon credit. I assume its the investors. But in what form does Amazon borrow money? Does Amazon issue bonds and raise money? Does it issue more shares&#x2F;stock? In short, how is Amazon getting so much money and loosing it in each quarter.<p>Any links to read will also be helpful.
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programminggeekover 10 years ago
My feeling on the Fire phone was just that they build the wrong phone for their audience. They built the Moto X when they should have built the Moto G.<p>There is a market for a really solid Android phone for say $150 off contract. Amazon could have partnered with any number of prepaid providers and also normal providers to have &quot;the best deal in wireless&quot;.<p>They built a whole market around driving down prices and reaching a mass audience, then they compete with top end phones. If the Kindle Fire was $500, it would have flopped. The $600 Fire Phone DID flop.<p>It feels like Kindle tech&#x27;s value proposition is quality technology at an unbeatable price. The Fire Phone didn&#x27;t hit that at all.
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marcusgarveyover 10 years ago
&gt;Clearly, Amazon isn’t yet on the same side of the &quot;loved&quot; spectrum as the brands Bezos named in his memo. Devoted fans of Apple, Nike, and Disney will spend any amount of money just for a small taste of their products and culture. Amazon certainly isn’t in the same camp as supposedly &quot;unloved&quot; brands like Walmart—far from it. But Amazon just isn’t as cool or beloved as Bezos might hope.<p>People also fall out of love, as they have done at one point or another with many of the examples mentioned here. Be essential, that&#x27; s much better.
noisy_boyover 10 years ago
When it comes to phones, Amazon was in a great situation. It didn&#x27;t have any baggage in terms of older models. No risk of cannibalizing existing models if the new phone is superior. It completely knew the strenghts and weaknesses of its competitors. All it had to do is plug the weaknesses and provide something which is superior. Something whose uniqueness lies not in useless 3-D gimmicks but solid features which other leaders are overlooking.<p>For example:<p>1. Provide a truely great display. This is not necessarily to trump others but something which is just a must. The display is the face of the phone.<p>2. Provide two SD card slots. Which market leading phone has them? None. With 2x128 GB sdcards (which also happen to be sold by Amazon) and say, 64 GB internal storage, the user gets 320GB of storage. On a phone. Unique? Yes. Useful? Hell yes.<p>3. Provide two SIM card slots. Granted, there are a whole bunch of phones that provide them but usually not in a phone with 320GB storage.<p>4. Massive 4000mAh battery. Make the phone slightly bigger, say 5.5 inches to manage heat. As numerous very successful large phones have proven, a big display is not a bad thing for a lot of people.<p>Without getting into the drawbacks of not latching into the Play Store ecosystem, the hardware i.e. the product itself would have generated so much positive buzz.<p>Unfortunately, focusing on solid and useful features is often overlooked and in case of Amazon, it squandered a great opportunity.
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SwellJoeover 10 years ago
I have a Fire Phone. I couldn&#x27;t resist, when they were $199 and include a year of Prime (which I already pay for), it&#x27;s $100 for a quite high end piece of hardware. And, the hardware actually is really great. Camera is great, display is great, touchscreen is great. 2GB of RAM and 32 GB of storage. It&#x27;s very high end phone hardware at a very low end phone price.<p>That said, it&#x27;s an awful phone. The OS feels clunky and old. The 3D stuff is, as mentioned in the article, gimmicky and pointless. Firefly is just annoying (it seemingly pops up at random, as if to say, &quot;Hey, wanna buy something? You should totally buy something.&quot;). The interface, where it has diverged from Android, is confusing as hell. Menus pop up when you rock the phone, or shake it, or something, I dunno. It just randomly pops stuff up sometimes and I don&#x27;t know why or how to replicate it. The status bar is disabled by default and the launch screen is more limited and frustrating than the original launch screen on the G1 (the first Android devices). Camera comes up every time I try to adjust the volume because the buttons are right next to each other. This also seems to be a trigger for Firefly...maybe. I honestly don&#x27;t know how Firefly is called into existence, but it&#x27;s popped up dozens of times since I&#x27;ve owned the phone, none of which were times I wanted it.<p>Amazon built the phone Amazon wanted. It&#x27;s not a phone designed around customer needs&#x2F;wants, at all. They even pulled out a bunch of functionality for seemingly no reason other than they want people to buy more things from Amazon. For example, you can&#x27;t use your music on the device as a ring tone or alarm (a feature that has existed in Android approximately forever). But, Amazon will sell you ring tones.<p>It is possible to sideload the Google Play Store, which is one redeeming characteristic of the phone...so, I have GMail, Firefox browser (which is not in the Amazon store, but can also be sideloaded), calendar, docs, etc. But, it&#x27;s still not a pleasant phone experience. The UI is needlessly opaque, and the unique features of the phone are pointless or annoying. The unique features are also not at all discoverable. I didn&#x27;t know Firefly could recognize music and art, that&#x27;s kinda neat. I don&#x27;t know how to use any of the buttons and movements to make the phone do things. They seem nearly random when I try to use those features, which is quite frustrating.<p>I gave it, I think a 3 star review, at Amazon, on the strength of the hardware, the very low price, and the fact that Google Play Store can be sideloaded relatively easily. But, I would never recommend it for someone who isn&#x27;t a tinkerer. It&#x27;s just too confusing, and the native apps (for email, maps, etc.) are weak.<p>Edit: And perhaps the most frustrating thing is that there is no back button. You have to do a swipe gesture from the bottom (the very bottom, or it scrolls instead) of the display. I sometimes find myself having to attempt this a half dozen times to make it work. It is <i>incredibly</i> frustrating; and worse, I find myself doing it on my Nexus 7 (which <i>has</i> a back button and doesn&#x27;t respond to this gesture). It&#x27;s training me to be their kinda stupid.
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VLMover 10 years ago
Amazon&#x27;s simplified big picture strategy is the application of perfect execution to dominate a market. They&#x27;re really good at it. They optimize the whole process from the website, to the box magically appearing at my door two days later. For books and food and ebooks and &quot;stuff&quot; in general, I find that ability to perfectly execute rather important, and they get lots of my business. They&#x27;re the kings of detail orientation. Process failure is not an option.<p>They thought they could execute perfectly on designing and shipping phones. I believe they can. The problem is the market for phones doesn&#x27;t care about flawless execution. Legendarily the existing network providers suck and the existing phones aren&#x27;t too great either but people love them anyway and never make their buying decisions based on who&#x27;s most likely to ship on time or least likely to crash.<p>They would fail exactly the same way if they tried to sell fast food or American cars or car insurance, where nobody cares about quality and only want low price. They would be a huge success in something like medical supply logistics (don&#x27;t they already sell stuff like that?) or aerospace (spaceX better look out)<p>The challenge for them is trying to sell perfect logistics, perfect performance, perfect execution in general to markets where people currently really don&#x27;t care. I think they are running out of consumer markets that they don&#x27;t already dominate where people care about flawless execution.<p>Its interesting that all the stuff I use with my phone comes from Amazon. Case, bluetooth ear piece, BT headphones, charger, cable... I&#x27;d even buy a phone from them, although I&#x27;d buy the phone I want, not a fire.<p>Also note they&#x27;re good at shipping a variety but not good at making anything. I never want Amazon&#x27;s XYZ, ever. I want an XYZ, and Amazon is the best in the business at getting a XYZ delivered to me.
kbrwnover 10 years ago
E-ink is what made Amazon a device company. Copying the Yota phone seems like it would have been a better bet then going with the 3D gimmick. Yota has a really interesting product but hasn&#x27;t really gained support due to a few issues (there isn&#x27;t really Android SDK support for e-ink screens) that Amazon could have easily solved.
bscliftonover 10 years ago
&gt;<i>&quot;We’re trying to break the mold of how TV has been made for the last 75 years,&quot; Amazon Studios content chief Joe Lewis explained, before dropping a familiar Bezos trope: &quot;It’s still Day One.&quot;</i><p>At least cable TV has a way to deliver most of the content consumers want, even if it sucks and is overpriced.<p>Further fragmenting the market with <i>Yet Another Marketplace</i> in the quest to regain that 30% only hurts the consumer IMO. I personally want nothing to do with locking myself into an ecosystem. Apple, Google and Amazon will never see my cash for eco-system specific purchases.
throwaway1x7qover 10 years ago
I was there for a year. On that team. This article is quite inaccurate.
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andrewmutzover 10 years ago
It is extremely difficult for large organizations to create the sort of innovative leaps that startups can create.<p>Amazon is attempting to do this. They have been successful in many different ways, but for every winner they create they need to create multiple losers. The fire phone seems to be one of these losers, but time will tell.<p>I really admire Amazon&#x27;s tolerance for failure. Most large companies would never take such risks.
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TheMagicHorseyover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised at how clueless the Fire phone is described to be, given that the Amazon products I am familiar with (Kindle, various AWS services, Prime, Instant Video) are actually rather good.
chuckcodeover 10 years ago
With apple charging 30% of revenue [1] for in app purchases I&#x27;m sure that Bezos and others will continue to be concerned about the platform as well as the content. Might be a better strategy to partner with android than start a new ecosystem but I&#x27;m sure they want to have more control over the platform.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.macstories.net/stories/a-discussion-about-apples-unsatisfactory-in-app-purchase-policies/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.macstories.net&#x2F;stories&#x2F;a-discussion-about-apples-...</a>
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fidotronover 10 years ago
I think the missing piece of discussion here is what&#x27;s alluded to in the article: Amazon, or at least a critical mass of decision makers at Amazon, want to become aspirational. It really is in the same category of Costco or Walmart, but they constantly wish they could go higher end for higher margins. The Fire Phone is a demonstration of what happens when these two worlds collide. It is a box shifter&#x27;s definition of a high end phone.<p>I admire Amazon a lot, but this one was a misfire.
guiomieover 10 years ago
&quot;When Bezos insisted that the original 2007 Kindle include a cellular connection so customers could download and access e-books from anywhere, people thought the idea was an exorbitant flourish that would eat into profits. But his prescience was part of what made the Kindle a smash hit.&quot; ...<p>Really? Anyone can back this up? I would have thought the opposite. I didn&#x27;t buy the 3G Kindle because it was more exepensive, all I cared was the eink display.
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jphover 10 years ago
The Fire phone is a gorgeous hardware success in my opinion -- if you try it, it&#x27;s fast and sleek. The Firefly scanner is super-convenient for shopping.<p>The show-stopper issue for me is the UI. It feels as if screen elements are sloshing, or hard to find, and the UI is hard to use when I&#x27;m in motion.<p>I expect the UI will be easy for Amazon to solve. The phone is a version 1 and a strong debut -- even if it didn&#x27;t sell well.
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blhackover 10 years ago
I wonder if we&#x27;ll ever see on-demand assembly of stuff like this.<p>Amazon doesn&#x27;t have to invest anything into phones that might not get sold, just &quot;raw materials&quot; that get assembled into phones on demand in their fullfillment centers.<p>Any unassmbled processors, screens, cameras, etc. just get sold back onto the market if the phone doesn&#x27;t gain success.
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varunjuiceover 10 years ago
Amazon should&#x27;ve focussed on an inexpensive handset with Amazon services for shopping built in to it, and launched it in emerging markets. This would give it a shot to get to the next billion. Heck, it could&#x27;ve even provided free data if a user does a certain amount of shopping on Amazon a month.
PaulHouleover 10 years ago
Hey everybody wants to sell a $700 flagship phone since the profit is so high the trouble is does anybody want it?
minusSevenover 10 years ago
I haven&#x27;t seen the fire phone yet but isn&#x27;t it too early to say its a disaster. They have only just entered the market and are obviously going to get better.
comrhover 10 years ago
Makes you wonder why any company would get into hardware.
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CamperBob2over 10 years ago
<p><pre><code> But will all of Bezos’s risk-taking ultimately pay off? &quot;They make no money!&quot; former Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer exclaimed in a recent TV interview. &quot;In my world, [that’s] not a real business. I get it if you don’t make money for two or three years, but Amazon is, what, 21 years old?&quot; </code></pre> I don&#x27;t know many people who have made money betting against Jeff Bezos, or lost it betting against Steve Ballmer. (iPhone, anyone?)
osehgolover 10 years ago
despite the criticism it has some seriously cool features like firefly and &#x27;MayDay&#x27;. Not everything has to gel in with the consumer right away. He&#x27;s casting the net far and wide, and keeping his foot in the devices game. That&#x27;s awesome.
blueskin_over 10 years ago
As son as I saw the fire phone, I knew it&#x27;d fail. It&#x27;s an Android phone without any of Android&#x27;s advantages, weak hardware, and the only purposes it seemed to serve is to facilitate users buying more stuff from amazon (imagine that!).
taigeairover 10 years ago
interesting insights on the PMing process
ninvover 10 years ago
Jeff should spilit the Amazon in to two companies, Amazon.com and Amazon Research Labs. Amazon.com will be the old Amazon and he can continue his &quot;copy the latest gadget or trend&quot; in Amazon Research Labs.<p>I think he should shut down everything and focus on AWS and Amazon.com only.
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