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GoGo does not need to run “Man in the Middle Attacks” on YouTube

77 pointsby declanover 10 years ago

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sandstromover 10 years ago
Certificate Transparency[1], a public log that makes maliciously issued certificates easier to detect, will roll out in Chrome [for EVs to begin with] this spring. FF will probably follow.<p>It doesn&#x27;t solve all CA problems, but it does soothe some.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.certificate-transparency.org/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.certificate-transparency.org&#x2F;</a>
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barnabyover 10 years ago
This post assumes that GoGo are doing a MITM simply to block YouTube in order to prevent their network from being congested. My assumptions would be that<p>1) GoGo are blocking youtube in favor of their in-flight paid media services not just for badwidth<p>2) GoGo&#x27;s MITM attack has little to do with media content but rather more about being able to read all the communications of passengers for &quot;national security&quot; purposes.<p>If they are decrypting and logging your traffic (including passwords) and communications, then I assume their scheme can be defeated by a VPN. If you want to send intimate messages to your lover, or discuss a political protest while in flight, without some nosy GoGo employee reading it, then probably using OTR (like Cryptocat or pidgin&#x2F;adium), PGP (like mailvelope, enigmail), and ZRTP (Redphone&#x2F;Signal) are a pretty good idea.
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whyleycover 10 years ago
Why are they even pulling this MITM trick in the first place ?<p>Can&#x27;t GoGo just &quot;blacklist&quot; streaming sites at a DNS level and deal with the problem before a connection is even made to a high-bandwith destination ?
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cornewutover 10 years ago
The problem is not that they are doing this, but that they can.<p>This is a technology problem and it will not be fixed by shaming offenders (GoGo probably didn&#x27;t have any evil intentions at all).
Animatsover 10 years ago
What we need is not &quot;HTTPS Everywhere&quot; (which I sometimes call &quot;Security Theater Everywhere&quot;) for static content. We need content signing without encryption for bulky content. The W3C proposal for this is called &quot;Subresource integrity&quot; (<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/SRI/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.w3.org&#x2F;TR&#x2F;SRI&#x2F;</a>). The &quot;integrity&quot; attribute is applied to links, like this:<p><pre><code> &lt;a href=&quot;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;example.com&#x2F;file.zip&quot; integrity=&quot;ni:&#x2F;&#x2F;&#x2F;sha256skjdsfkafinqfb...ihja_gqg?ct=application&#x2F;octet-stream&quot; download&gt;Download!&lt;&#x2F;a&gt; </code></pre> This also applies to IMG, EMBED, LINK, etc - any content.<p>This is a huge win for caching systems. Any cache in the path from browser to server, seeing that, can use a cached version of the content. Because cache content validity is defined by the sha256 hash, there&#x27;s no cache expiration time issue. You can load JQuery once and use it all week. Caching systems can even index their cache by hash, and deliver data loaded from a different site. What a cache <i>cannot</i> do is change even one bit of the content. Such data tampering will be caught by the browser. (W3C is trying to figure out what to do about streaming data.)<p>As for &quot;bufferbloat&quot;, that&#x27;s usually mis-identifying the problem. The real problem is usually bad queue ordering at a choke-point router. FIFO queuing at a choke point will not work well. At a router where there&#x27;s significantly less outgoing bandwidth than incoming bandwidth, you need some kind of fair queuing, so that big flows don&#x27;t starve out little ones. Most Cisco routers support that. On the other hand, there&#x27;s nothing wrong with buffering up lots of content for a single flow if you have the space. If you&#x27;re loading a big image or a video stream, temporarily stashing a full TCP window of it in the router is just fine. It will be delivered and will play out eventually.<p>Ideally, you&#x27;d like full fair queuing, but it&#x27;s somewhat computationally expensive. There are approximations to fair queuing that work reasonably well, and are being designed into DOCSIS cable routers. See (<a href="http://people.cs.clemson.edu/~jmarty/AQM/AQM-DOCSIS.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;people.cs.clemson.edu&#x2F;~jmarty&#x2F;AQM&#x2F;AQM-DOCSIS.pdf</a>) If you&#x27;re using expensive bandwidth like a satellite channel to an aircraft, you definitely need something smarter than FIFO.<p>(I used to work on network congestion, a long time ago. See RFC 970, 1985. <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc970" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;tools.ietf.org&#x2F;html&#x2F;rfc970</a>)
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