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FCC chairman tips his hand on net neutrality

119 pointsby mikecarltonover 10 years ago

10 comments

justizinover 10 years ago
&quot;If Wheeler does propose to reclassify ISPs and regulate them under Title II of the Communications Act, that would be a stinging defeat for ISPs&quot;<p>I feel this adversarial perspective is unnecessary. Title II is good for anyone who wants to build a good Internet Service Provider.<p>If you&#x27;re an ISP, and you don&#x27;t want to build a good ISP, that&#x27;s bad for your business with or without Title II. Title II just provides a foundation for protecting customers of such idiots while they are in the process of going out of business.
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adwfover 10 years ago
What I don&#x27;t understand is how exactly ISPs managed to be declared <i>not</i> utilities.<p>Does no-one remember the really old acoustic coupled modems where you had to literally pick up the phone (utility) and place it on the receiver? All that happened was that we started plugging the phone line directly into an integrated modem - it&#x27;s still going down the phone line for most people.<p>An ISP <i>is</i> a telecoms provider and should technically already be regulated as one...
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ChrisAntakiover 10 years ago
Does anyone else see Title II as potentially opening the door to more competition?<p>From a recent article: <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/01/google-letter-fcc-title-ii/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.engadget.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;01&#x2F;01&#x2F;google-letter-fcc-title-i...</a><p>&gt; Mountain View pointed out that if broadband internet access is declared to be a Title II service, then Google Fiber should be granted the same access as other utilities to poles and other essential infrastructure. It went on to say that doing so would actually &quot;promote broadband deployment and competition.&quot;
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baldfatover 10 years ago
We MUST have true competition and instead of localized monopolies. This is the issue.<p>Government Regulation can potentially be very scary, but monopolies are 100% scary and even Libertarians should be against them.
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eliover 10 years ago
Title II would be exciting and a big change. I think it&#x27;s a good thing, but I can&#x27;t help but be a little worried about the unforeseen consequences.
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simon_weberover 10 years ago
Interesting. The race is now on between Wheeler&#x27;s Title II proposal and Congress Republicans&#x27; rumored Title X proposal [0].<p>[0] <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/12/19/congress-wants-to-legislate-net-neutrality-heres-what-that-might-look-like/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;blogs&#x2F;the-switch&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2014&#x2F;12&#x2F;19...</a>
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Zizzleover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m a bit worried that these stories floating around about title 2 being imminent will give the monopolies time to throw more money at the problem to make it go away.<p>i.e. &quot;convince&quot; Wheeler or get congress to pass a bill.<p>Or it could be a ploy by Wheeler. Make noise about full regulation, then make the carriers think they have won some concession when he negotiates and implements something lesser.
debacleover 10 years ago
I feel like this has been the Obama Administration&#x27;s plan all along, and that everything else has been mostly political theater - mostly to make ISPs look bad and force them to shoot themselves in the foot.
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skuhnover 10 years ago
The large American ISPs (i.e. cable and telephone companies) have made an enormous mistake with their recent attempts to create artificial network congestion to extract rent, and I&#x27;m glad that the FCC seems to think that this isn&#x27;t acceptable behavior. I still wish that the resolution wasn&#x27;t government regulation.<p>Everyone should be able to access the Internet, at a reasonable cost that covers their usage and makes a reasonable profit. No packages, plans, quotas or other nonsense -- no limits whatsoever. The fundamental costs of building a network lie in the instantaneous bandwidth provided and the oversubscription ratio, not in how many bits you move in a month or whether your data is going to this site or that site. This is not how things work right now for a lot of people.<p>Likewise, everyone should be able to serve content to these users, on equal footing relative to the legitimate costs that are being paid. If I&#x27;m YouTube, then I should pay (or make a mutually beneficial agreement to peer) for my transit, and my upstream providers should be incentivized to provide quality service (at risk of being replaced). This is how things work right now for most sites.<p>I think the root problem is that there is competition on only one side, the service provider side, where you can choose from tens or hundreds of transit partners. This side is undergoing substantial consolidation (not good), but I believe a significant part of that is because they have to keep getting bigger to compete with Comcast, et. al. It&#x27;s an arms race.<p>End user connectivity, on the other hand, has already been extremely consolidated since the late 90&#x27;s. There is almost no real competition in most markets, even if multiple providers exist.<p>Yes, a lot of people have two or more choices for ISPs at home or work. Generally it&#x27;s between the phone and the cable company (AT&amp;T and Comcast where I live). AT&amp;T is not competitive on performance with Comcast at all, not even remotely close. There are two other good options (who I always try to do business with, when I can) in the area: Sonic.net and Webpass. They are either limited in terms of performance or in availability (or both), and their respective userbases are a fraction of AT&amp;T&#x27;s or Comcast&#x27;s. They both support network neutrality.<p>Why do they support it when AT&amp;T and Comcast don&#x27;t? I think it&#x27;s because they aren&#x27;t monopolies who were gifted substantial control of Internet at public expense, they aren&#x27;t trying to be paid two or three times for the same bandwidth, and they aren&#x27;t trying to prop up giant unrelated dinosaur businesses on the backs of their Internet service fees. They&#x27;re both in one business, and they compete for that business, and they know that if they fail to perform adequately then they will lose that business.<p>This is what we need to bring to <i>all</i> ISPs everywhere in the country, and we need it way more than formal network neutrality laws. AT&amp;T, Verizon, Comcast, Time Warner did not build the Internet, so why do they get disproportionate control over it by virtue of having some buried copper that runs to my house? It is inconceivable to me that we might allow any of them to acquire more subscribers and more territories. They should be broken up.<p>If a company is allowed to have a monopoly in an area, fine. Maybe that makes sense. They should not be allowed to have a monopoly (or duopoly) that spans half of the country though. Chop up Comcast ala Standard Oil: one Comcast for every state (or even better, for every major metropolitan area) they operate in. They may still try to play shenanigans with Internet connectivity, but their bargaining power is now vastly reduced.
RA_Fisherover 10 years ago
One thing that disturbs me about the Net Neutrality discussion is that nobody&#x27;s talking about what we might be giving up. I&#x27;ve learned a lot about unintended effects of regulation. I have some ideas about what those might be, like reduced infrastructure investment by the ISPs, but as a community this discussion seems absent. Are there others out there that are concerned about the unforeseen consequences like I am?<p>In particular, it feels like Net Neutrality will remove the incentive for video streaming services to put investment into new and improved compression algorithms.<p>I worry about streaming video squeezing out simpler tcp&#x2F;ip.