Its not a new javascript engine.<p>Its not a new rendering engine.<p>So basically its just a different UI skin on chrome. That's cute, but its not a new browser.<p>It's the same browser with a slightly new UI.<p>Count me as skeptical and unexcited.<p>I am similarly unexcited by the 'it's browser' webkits views in android and ios, for exactly the same reason; they're dime a dozen, and lack any compelling reason to switch or use.<p>(Servo, by comparison, <i>is</i> a new rendering engine, with new features that make it extremely interesting)
MRU Tab Switching out of the box. Didn't expect that now that some shitty browsers (Chrome) can't even have it via extensions. I will never understand why someone intentionally removed ctrl+tab functionality from their browser (it's completely useless feature as "select tab to the right").<p>So I'll keep an eye on this for sure. Even though there are lots of missing features and couple of bugs that I noticed right out of the box. I hope they'll get to the point where they can maintain their own version of Blink, to get rid of some stupid choices they made (text selection for example).<p>Relevant (open-source) project: <a href="http://otter-browser.org/" rel="nofollow">http://otter-browser.org/</a>
I would like some more information. Like what engine is this based on? What JS engine? And I guess the source will not be open? (Why?)<p>Edit: Some more info here: <a href="http://thenextweb.com/apps/2015/01/27/meet-vivaldi-new-browser-former-ceo-opera/" rel="nofollow">http://thenextweb.com/apps/2015/01/27/meet-vivaldi-new-brows...</a><p>Seems as if it uses the Chrome engine.
I wonder about the differences to Opera then.<p>Edit: Found also this on the homepage (somewhat hidden under the "Web technology" tab):<p>We use JavaScript and React to create the user interface — with the help of Node.js, Browserify and a long list of NPM modules. Vivaldi is the web built with the web.<p>So it's like <a href="http://breach.cc/" rel="nofollow">http://breach.cc/</a> (<a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8952152" rel="nofollow">https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8952152</a>) then?
Why there aren't any screenshots?<p>One suggestion: 'A new browser for our friends' is nowhere a good introduction. It simply fails to explain to me the reason why I should care this in the first place.
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_10_1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/40.0.2214.89 Vivaldi/1.0.83.38 Safari/537.36<p>I think it's the first useragent string to contain 7 different browser/engine names.
Uninstalled.<p>"Title: Vivaldi End User License Agreement<p>7. Without limiting the foregoing, you are neither allowed to (a) adapt, alter, translate, embed into any other product or otherwise create derivative works of, or otherwise modify the Software ; (b) separate the component programs of the Software for use on different computers; (c) reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive the source code for the Software, except as permitted by applicable law;"
Color me interested. I'm currently fed up with more or less the entire current crop of browsers, so it would be nice to see a new serious player with some experience enter the field. Old Opera was a fantastic suite in its day, but new Opera is little more than a buggy hack of Chrome.
Tried it out, there are some problems with handling local hostnames. Tried visiting my localhost webserver but have to specify <a href="http://" rel="nofollow">http://</a> every time, even if I'm already on the site and just append something to the url it'll redirect me to google unless I first prepend <a href="http://" rel="nofollow">http://</a>. It's rather annoying considering I only edited the already loaded URL. It's easily a deal breaker from a developer stance point.
The very first thing I noticed as soon as I opened the browser is that the tabs don't touch the top of the screen when the browser is maximized [1]. This makes closing tabs much more difficult since you can't just move your mouse all the way to the top of the screen and middle click--you have to consciously stop moving the mouse before it leaves the tab.<p>I can understand why they don't touch the top of the screen: the tab stacking shows up above the tab. My suggestion would be to expand the tab to the top of the window, and then just make the tab stacking show up inside at the top of the tab. If not that, at least make the tab's bounding box touch the edge of the screen and leave the tab stacking on top of it.<p>I found a few more issues while typing this up:
1. The browser seemed to think my CTRL key was stuck or something. Typing in my password on imgur made it switch tabs and zoom out multiple times when I went to type some of the numbers in my password.
2. Copying the image URL from the address bar after I uploaded it didn't copy the protocol. The protocol was hidden since it's http, but that adds an extra step of typing "<a href="http://"" rel="nofollow">http://"</a> when I wanted to paste it here.<p>The browser looks like it has promise. I like the look-and-feel. I like that the address bar is the progress bar when the page is loading. Being able to add notes and screenshots also seems like it would be incredibly useful.<p>Overall, I'd give the browser another shot once you've made some more progress.<p>[1] <a href="http://i.imgur.com/xMOacR5.png" rel="nofollow">http://i.imgur.com/xMOacR5.png</a>
It is much slower than Chrome - check <a href="http://www.leboncoin.fr" rel="nofollow">http://www.leboncoin.fr</a> and try to move the mouse above the map. The lag is very noticeable.
> Built on Web Technology<p>I wish this trend would end. The few applications I tried out that advertised being built on web technologies were not very well integrated with the OS (UX wise), huge in binary size, very memory hungry and noticeably slower than native alternatives. It's not a selling point, imo.<p>Especially not when you consider how <i>big</i> a dependency webkit/gecko is and how much bugs and attack surface you're bringing in and are responsible for patching in your end product.
All I want is Spatial Navigation like in the old Opera. It was such a intuitive way to operate your browser solely with your keyboard. I really miss the old Opera...
I really like it! One thing that I'd like is for Bookmarks to be synced with Pinboard. Local browser bookmarks are no use for me (and I would presume a lot of people) because I use too many devices and too many browsers. I don't mind going to pinboard.in to view my bookmarks but it's nice to be able to quickly bookmark something using the native browser UI (rather than an extension).
I hope they make it, sure looks interesting. I kinda miss old-Opera, it was great for its time.<p>I wonder what their business model is. How does one earn money off a browser nowadays? They seem to focus on being a complete browser suite, old-Opera style. Do they plan to sell it as an app? Sell web services (mail etc)? Convert all encountered amazon links into affiliate links? (har har)
My gods, it looks more like Opera12 than the latest Chropera. I'm so very tempted to start using this as a daily driver right away!<p>And I got an error when trying to register on their forums (edit: solved through IRC), oh well. I wonder if they even considered doing something similar to now-defunct Opera Unite. That thing rocked.
If you were looking for screenshots (since this is a wrapper around blink) they are buried here under the Press Resources link:<p><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ljm9h48qn2x3v33/AAAmdrTw2ISsKKQNRNHk-73ka/Screenshots?dl=0" rel="nofollow">https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ljm9h48qn2x3v33/AAAmdrTw2ISsKKQNR...</a>
Hey cool, a new bowser which seems function-<p>oh for fucks sake it's goddamn node.js again. Stop this shit. I don't need a node runtime taking up 400MB on top of an already memory hungry browser. I don't need a browser using and abusing fucking javascript to run.<p>Looks good though, and features seem interesting.
I'm downloading Vivaldi now. Chrome's safe-download mechanism doesn't like it.<p>As much as I like the idea of writing a browser using web technologies, most attempts so far have been pretty lacklustre. I'll wait until it's finished to pass final judgement on Vivaldi, but I don't really want the old Opera UI and features on top of the browser engine that the current Opera uses.<p>Also, I'm waiting for someone to just make a nice plain web browser. I don't want a mail client built in, I already have one of those. I don't want panels everywhere that I can't hide, nor do I really want a note taker. All I want in a browser is the minimal amount of UI around a fast browser engine that has lots of green boxes on caniuse.com.
- design layout looks cluttered. coloring of the ui to match the website is not a good idea. you cant really distinguish between browser and website, gives me a cluttered feeling.
- ui feels slow and flickering after some clicks
- double click on yosemite doesnt maximize instead it mimizes the window
- dont know why a modern browser needs todos, mail, notes and contacts. we have apps/webapps for that already.
- dont fetch stuff from google servers on startup
- tab grouping is useless for me, split screen etc. would be more useful imo
- integrate a service for bookmarks or deliver an api. local bookmarks are so 1995.
- rename it, vivaldi sounds very oldish and boring.
511 points on HTML5Test [0] on Linux with Vivaldi. That's more than I get with Chromium (481) or Firefox (449). Vivaldi feels already quite nice but not finished (e.g. flickering of the preview images in vertical tabs when switching the tabs) and generally a tiny bit slower when changing tabs in comparison to chrome/chromium, my default browser at the moment.<p>Definitely keep it installed for now, probably won't use it daily.<p>[0] <a href="https://html5test.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">https://html5test.com/index.html</a>
So good to see the single character keyboard shortcuts from the old Opera, although some functionality is working differently, need to press 1 and 2 twice to switch back and forth? It used to be that 1 and 2 would go to next and prev tab, but now 3 and 4 seem to have been assigned for those.<p>1 (cycles bt. tabs?), 2, 3 (next tab), 4 (prev tab), z (back), x (forward)
I have been using this browser for the last 4-5 hours. It is fairly good. However, some pages like Dr. Dobbs and Vivaldi's own forum makes all shortcuts fail. The only solution seems to be to alt-tab to some other window and then use the shortcut. That said, the browser is really neat to use.
I really like the way they've implemented tab previews. I can hover at over the tab and it'll show its thumbnail or I can drag the menubar down under the tab bar and all the tab thumbnails show at once. It makes more sense to me than the way Apple implements it in Safari.
"A new browser for our friends", as in the developer community? That seems like a lot of effort to build a browser for a very small group of users.<p>The sad truth of browsers is that most people use whatever comes on their machine. A lot of times that would be IE - lots of people I know/companies in the UK still use IE out of a lack of knowing any better. Some more savvy users will use Chrome/FF but that's because they realise it has a lot of benefits over IE or are shamed into not using IE.<p>This doesn't really offer any 'wow' features that entice me as a web developer to try it, so your average user is even less likely to try it. And really, when making a browser, your target <i>needs</i> to be the masses because otherwise no web dev is going to support your browser if it requires even the tiniest of special treatment in their code.
Looks good, not sure about the nav changing color to match website styles but that is an interesting approach.<p>Having mail built in is not useful for me, but I wonder if it will support other email providers eventually (gmail etc)?
Looks good! I think the first thing you could do with is a public bug tracker/feature request system. I think the forum format is particularly badly suited to managing feature requests and tracking bugs.
UI should be minimal. I dont't understand why all this buttons, dashboard should be visible by default. It looks like kids picture book, distractions everywhere.
My first thought was: "Crap another browser. Fun times." - but I guess it will be alright since everything seems to run on bootstrap & co anyways ...
Tab stacks, cloned UI, tab previews, integrated mail.<p>Someone is targeting Opera-like experience and damn, I like it.<p>I am not sure about liking it being another incarnation of Chrome inside though.
I love the Tab Stacks idea.<p>IE tried to do that years ago by coloring tabs, but then you ended with a rainbow in your face instead of really (abstracted away from you) grouping.
I like how there's already Linux versions out as early as this. Unusual.<p>Seems like a cross between Opera and Chrome. Will have to keep an eye out for this.
the #1 thing I want from my browser is tree-style tabs (<a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/" rel="nofollow">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...</a>)
I downloaded it without any expectations, and I must say I'm impressed. It even runs our Chrome only single page app very well and fast. I'm looking forward to seeing where this one goes.
no ctrl+shift+t??
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Well, I know I'm not your average user, but a website that only displays a spinner to noscript users doesn't exactly make me very confident that this browser will help to make a better www.