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Ask HN: What do you do if some other startup got funding for your exact idea?

45 pointsby vishalzone2002over 10 years ago
We were working on an idea on the side. We also have an MVP. But the exact same idea got funding today from A list investors. I agree there are at least 2 sets of people working on same ideas but shall we keep going ?

31 comments

MalcolmDiggsover 10 years ago
I&#x27;d say that it sounds like a bunch of A-list investors just co-signed and approved your business plan. That&#x27;d be a clear signal to me to keep pushing and turn the heat up! It&#x27;s just validation; that other company isn&#x27;t eating your lunch yet. Unless you let them!<p>To put it another way: If you had zero well-funded competitors, you might have to second-guess moving forward. This is the opposite; this is a great thing. You just have to focus on becoming the Google to their Lycos.
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swalshover 10 years ago
I once listened to a talk from Alexis Ohanian about the founding of Reddit. He tells a story about how they found out there was this big new site called digg doing exactly the same thing their smaller site Reddit was doing.<p>They said cool, and kept on working.
petercooperover 10 years ago
I was listening to a podcast the other day where the presenter asked their listeners if anyone <i>hadn&#x27;t</i> heard of the ridiculously successful <i>Serial</i> podcast - he was bombarded with responses!<p>Unless you&#x27;re Microsoft or Google, there are <i>always</i> audiences in your niche who <i>haven&#x27;t even heard of the other guys</i>. I encounter this all the time in my own business.<p>So unless your business was something specific like creating a scheduling system for vetinary surgeons based in Utah, you&#x27;ve just had your business idea partially validated and you still have a huge audience <i>who are not yet your customers.</i> Be agile, outinnovate your competition, and use all the advantages you have. There&#x27;s room for both of you.
lubujacksonover 10 years ago
Definitely keep going, even if they seem better than you. Sometimes a VC track startup implodes fast while the turtle gets the prize. Things change quite a bit over time, in my experience.<p>What you have gained is free market research. Since they have funding, they are going to be fairly public about how they progress. Look at what they do, consider why they did it and weigh the responses. DON&#x27;T shy away from things that they are doing - if they had a great idea you didn&#x27;t think of, TAKE IT. If they have the same idea, don&#x27;t change it, look at their results and see if it can be improved. Otherwise, keep it the same.<p>You have the advantage of being reactive. Let them spend money and effort validating, you can focus more on executing.
shenoyroopeshover 10 years ago
What does &quot;same idea&quot; mean?<p>- Same problem being solved<p>- Same solution to the problem being solved<p>- Same solution to the problem with exactly same target audience and brand positioning<p>etc..<p>I hope you see what I&#x27;m getting at.<p>You need to look at your target customers and see if they are going to disappear - if no, then just keep working on the idea, and serve your customers well. If the space is such that the customers will use both products great. If you feel they are targeting the same segment and have already started eating your customers (and you can&#x27;t offer anything to them that will take them away from that product), cut your losses and pivot - see whether you can solve the same problem differently, more elegantly, or identify a different target audience (for e.g. move from consumer market to Enterprise, or target different geographies).<p>Think about it as a business - wanting to survive. Don&#x27;t compete for competitions sake - try to contribute the best you can. If someone else is doing a much better job than you at something, take a step back and see whether you can outdo them or it&#x27;s easier to do something slightly differently.
uptownover 10 years ago
Before Google there was Altavista.<p>Before WhatsApp there was ICQ.<p>Before Facebook there was MySpace.<p>First isn&#x27;t always that important. Whatever your current vision is ... it&#x27;s likely to evolve in ways your competitor may view differently. It&#x27;s rarely about the original idea, but often way more about how you execute, and how your idea evolves over the long-term.
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rl3over 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve had this happen twice with ideas I was actively pursuing. Both turned into YC companies, both successful, the latter meteorically so.<p>How you should respond often is dependent on the situation. The hard part is that the only person who is truly acquainted with the relevant facts is you (and your co-founder, if you are so fortunate).<p>The first time, I was blindsided by the launch of a startup I should have known existed. Despite doing tons of market research, it somehow flew under my radar, and the result was that I ended up wasting months of my time.<p>In that case, deciding not to play catch up to a company with more traction, funding and resources than I had, in a space with very little room for differentiation, was probably the right call to make. It burned, but in hindsight the decision to move on was almost certainly for the better.<p>Using that experience as a catalyst for the idea that followed, the second time there would be no blindsiding. Instead, I became aware of the other startup almost as soon as it came into existence. While not a threat initially, I watched over the course of a year as it became more and more similar to what I was working on, gaining incredible amounts of traction along the way. It felt like my product was dying in slow motion before even being born.<p>The only difference this time, was the particular space allowed for quite a bit of differentiation. While that&#x27;s a good thing, it also makes the questions you have to ask yourself that much harder.<p>After agonizing for quite some time, I came to realize most of my fears were irrational. Internalizing what it truly meant to have a <i>second mover advantage</i> helped tremendously on this front.<p>Now I think in terms of celebrating their success, and building off of it every way I can (in an ethical manner). The more successful they are, the more successful my product will be.<p>For anyone in a similar situation: chin up, don&#x27;t torture yourself, and try to build off of it in a positive way. It might have been that you were only in competition with yourself.
ffnover 10 years ago
Depends on your idea and your plan of execution, I&#x27;d say.<p>If your idea is to build a social network or similar community thingy where value is directly proportional to how many people use it and your monetizing strategy is to get big enough to make money off of advertising, then you should pivot your idea.<p>On the other hand, if your idea is to provide a service or product that has value even if only 1 person ever use it (e.g. you file out people&#x27;s tax forms with 1 click of a button, you host adult fetish videos, you write funny stories, you make ridiculous little wooden figurines of LoL &#x2F; Dota characters, you make low-calorie edible women&#x27;s undergarments for men, etc.), then you should keep at it.
jastrover 10 years ago
&quot;If you give me an amazing idea, maybe I&#x27;ll give you a dollar for it&quot;.<p>Good ideas are ubiquitous and are neither necessary nor sufficient for building a successful company.<p>They have spent the last few months raising money, not building a product. They will likely end up doing this again.<p>They now have a different incentives than you. Their investors will encourage them to sacrifice short term growth for potential explosive growth (likely to the detriment of the company).
learnstats2over 10 years ago
Yes, your idea is validated, like everyone said. So that&#x27;s good. But there&#x27;s more...<p>Make sure your version of the idea is differentiated in a way that&#x27;s not too easy to reproduce.<p>You make a good version of your idea =&gt; they have more money =&gt; they clone what you&#x27;ve done and market it more effectively =&gt; not a winner for you.<p>&quot;Do it better than them&quot; is the right idea, but they should be thinking the same about you.
evo_9over 10 years ago
That&#x27;s exactly what happened to me and I almost lost my house in bankruptcy going to the limit trying to compete. Ignore the advice that your market is validated - your market is gone is more the reality.<p>Cut your losses and move on. Seriously, there are plenty of other untapped markets to try out, don&#x27;t burn your bank accounts needlessly like I did. I lost all my savings, my 401k and almost my house.
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AngeloAnolinover 10 years ago
As long as you don&#x27;t see any hurdles&#x2F;impediments (i.e. legal, copyright, patents, etc) on your idea, then by all means keep pursuing it. Otherwise, it may make more sense to move on to the executing on your next idea.<p>I&#x27;d also like to point out that keeping pursuit of your idea, you should ensure that what you are offering would be at par or greater than the one which got recently funded.
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throwaway_x2over 10 years ago
Going anonymous for that one...<p>I am in a similar situation. I am trying to bootstrap my startup, and someone who has exactly the same idea got some funding - I don&#x27;t know how much, I would guess between $500k and 1M.<p>I spoke to the guy about two months before he got his funding, to see if we could work together, and at the end I chose not to because it was clear to me that he had no clue on how to build the product we both had in mind.<p>How did I react to the news of his funding? I personally took it well. I am not too worried about competition given the size of our market, so it validates my idea. And if things don&#x27;t go well with my unfunded startup, I will probably be able to get a job for him, so it becomes an insurance for me.<p>So, unless your product is in a very small niche, you shouldn&#x27;t worry about that. I don&#x27;t recall his exact essay, but Paul Graham said that what kills startups is not competition, but rather the lack dynamism to try and try new ideas.<p>best of luck!
dqdoover 10 years ago
It depends on your market. Some ideas are winner take all (e.g., Google, Facebook, Linkedin, Youtube) while other ideas can have multiple major market players (e.g., Uber, Lyft, etc.). Depending upon your market, you may or may not have to worry.<p>In my opinion, the best way to a successful start-up is to ensure that your own economics works (cost of customer acquisition + cost of serving customer &lt; life time value of the customer). If your company can be profitable, it really doesn&#x27;t matter what your &#x27;competitors&#x27; are doing. In fact, focusing too much on your competitors can be a very bad thing.<p>If you idea falls into the camp of winner takes all, then you will need to raise money to capture the market.<p>In reality, very few start-ups fall into winner take all and the fact that there is funding in this space is a good thing. You don&#x27;t ever want to work on an idea that cannot be validated in the market.
yumrajover 10 years ago
First of all will agree with whatever has been said so far, that this is a sort of validation that the idea is not totally bonkers. However the validation at the moment is from investors, not customers - which is much more important.<p>Also, you benefit from the second mover advantage in the sense that you get to learn from them and also benefit from the market they create and improve upon it.<p>However, one thing to note.. you said you&#x27;re working on it &quot;on the side&quot;, while the other company just got some funding which not only implies that now they have money but also that they were most likely already doing this fulltime. So, if anything, you need to make a serious decision right now - whether you want to drop it or pick it up fulltime. Most likely keeping on doing it on the side is not going to cut it anymore since the race is now on..
tlbover 10 years ago
It depends why you want to start a company. If it&#x27;s because &quot;this product needs to exist&quot;, you may have lost your motivation. If it&#x27;s because &quot;this product is inevitable, and I believe I can do a better job than other people&quot;, then keep at it.
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apiover 10 years ago
On the plus side, think of it as a type of market validation. A bunch of investors think your idea is solid.<p>On the minus side, try to avoid focusing too much on competing and not enough on listening to the market directly and reasoning from first principles. It&#x27;s good to watch this competitor and learn from them, paying particular attention to their weaknesses. But it&#x27;s not good to fixate on them and direct your attention to trying to &quot;beat&quot; the other guy instead of giving the market what it wants. The market is your customer, not your competitor. It&#x27;s also good to try to do things a little bit differently so your product doesn&#x27;t end up being a mere imitation -- if you do that, you&#x27;ll probably lose.
benologistover 10 years ago
The only people you should worry about are your customers who don&#x27;t know you exist, don&#x27;t know someone else had a similar idea, and don&#x27;t care that a small group of people who are generally appalling at picking good companies chose that one.
bdcravensover 10 years ago
Validation is cool. But there&#x27;s a couple of questions you have to ask yourself:<p>1) Do I need to go from an &quot;idea on the side&quot; to full-time? Pretty sure the funded company has multiple full-time folks.<p>2) Is it possible to function without funding? This totally depends on your business. If it&#x27;s a SaaS app that can be funded by customer payments, you&#x27;re probably ok. If it&#x27;s a consumer app that relies on network effect (marketing spend), you may have issues.
chiphover 10 years ago
There&#x27;s a bunch of VCs who will invest in a space, once another firm has made the initial investment in a different startup. The bandwagon effect is real. Your mission (should you choose to accept it) is to contact those other VCs, get funding, and ship a customer-pleasing product faster than the other guys.
tzmover 10 years ago
Cool, validation. But what type of validation? Market, team and&#x2F;or product, etc? Seems there&#x27;s more to their offering than market and ideas. I&#x27;d be looking deeper into why they are validated. Then I&#x27;d step on the gas pedal.
brudgersover 10 years ago
A list investors mostly fund companies that go bust by pushing to go big. They grow massive or fail or become irrelevant. Odds are you and the people you know use Facebook more than Myspace.
thaumaturgyover 10 years ago
Go out, go watch a movie or have dinner or hang out with friends or whatever. Get some sleep. Then wake up tomorrow and keep doing what you were doing anyway ... and do it better than them.
ralphaelover 10 years ago
Thank them for market validation and get stuck into it. Lots of people have ideas and then produce MVP&#x27;s. But execution and level of funding will determine who survives.<p>It&#x27;s not a zero sum game.
discardoramaover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s not the idea itself, but the execution. Do you think Facebook was the first social network? Or Google the first search engine? Or Reddit the first social news site?
AznHisokaover 10 years ago
It&#x27;s not even validation. A huge majority of funded companies fail. Just go about your business. Investors, even A+ ones != paying customers.
rafaquequeover 10 years ago
Ship it. The idea is now valid and you can learn from their mistakes.
aetover 10 years ago
Think of Paypal and X.com -- how&#x27;d that work out?
OceanPowersover 10 years ago
think of competition as market validation.
biomimicover 10 years ago
They&#x27;ve validated your space. Learn from their mistakes. Hijack their customer feedback. Do it better than them. Think of ways to partner with them. Keep your enemies closer. Make it simpler than they do for the consumer or enterprise. Yahoo, Excite, AllTheWeb, HotBot, Lycos etc were all search engines before Google. Compuserve, Geocities, TheGlobe, Friendster and MySpace were all essentially social networks before Facebook.
Animatsover 10 years ago
This is why you want to get patents before spending time and money.
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