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Testosterone is the drug of the future

341 pointsby mparramonover 10 years ago

27 comments

davakover 10 years ago
MD here. Just remember that women live longer than men. Although it&#x27;ll never be proven that hormones are part of that provess, I think it&#x27;s a good assumption.<p>Many males as they get older become more lovable and more pleasent to be around because of natural hormone declines.<p>There are a ton of health issues such as balding, coronary artery disease, prostate cancer, obstructive sleep apnea that are related to testosterone. Whether these clinics can find the correct cocktail to find a healthy balance isn&#x27;t clear.<p>I&#x27;m neither pro nor con. I&#x27;ve seen people who have been positively and negatively impacted by steroid supplementation.
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freshfeyover 10 years ago
As someone who went from 430 ng&#x2F;dl to 1024 ng&#x2F;dl naturally in about two years time (from age 23 to 25) the only thing I can say is don&#x27;t jump to too many conclusions here.<p>- Your testosterone should be naturally high if you&#x27;re below 30 (and male)<p>- If not, something is wrong and you need to fix it (start with blood work, check your diet, move)<p>- If you testosterone is in the normal ranges (blood work recommends between 600 and 1200, which is ridiculous), you&#x27;ll feel good 80-90% of the time<p>- the 10-20% are probably psychological worries that you might have, start meditating<p>- I didn&#x27;t get huge muscles or less body fat with more testosterone (huge myth that I thought would change for me)<p>- TRT is used heavily in pro-sports (look for UFC fighters and bodybuilders, they have the most experience, since a lot of them are doing it)<p>- TRT is a problem if you keep going for too long, because your body just doesn&#x27;t produce testosterone as it used to, because it expects it from the outside, so below 35 or rather below 40 year olds: don&#x27;t sign up for this too quickly.<p>- Cold showers&#x2F;baths do work, but probably not for increasing your testosterone, still, do it from time to time :)<p>- Intermittent Fasting helps immensely with boosting your testosterone naturally.<p>I can provide more info or details&#x2F;specifics if wanted&#x2F;needed.
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johnwardover 10 years ago
I&#x27;m 28 now and I have hypogonadisn and have experience using T and other options like clomid. My total T was &lt;120nd&#x2F;dl. The lab range for this is usually 300-1000ng&#x2F;dl. I was severely depressed. Moody and very angry. I experience &quot;roid rage&quot; in the opposite of what most people think. When my T is low I am a completely different, awful person. I literally thought I was going to kill myself.<p>I finally went to the doc. Got the blood work and was put ona low dosage of Testosterone. Enough to get me to the 500ng&#x2F;dl range. My quality of life improved dramatically and I was the happy and productive person I used to be. I felt like I did in my early 20s instead of like I was approaching 50. Now I have to take clomiphene because the T kills my fertility. Clomid gets my hormones to the 500ng&#x2F;dl range but I do not feel the same. My brain is &quot;foggy&quot;. I&#x27;m not as sharp as I was. I&#x27;m up and down with my mood. On a higher dosage of clomid I even had experience where my brain just didn&#x27;t make sane decisions. I rammed a car one time in traffic. I ran over my mailbox backing out of my garage, even though I did this thousands of times before.<p>Testosterone can be a miracle for some people. It saddens me that it get such a bad rep for being used&#x2F;abused by athletes.
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stevepotterover 10 years ago
I went through a major testosterone-related health scare when I was 31 (4 years ago). I was in the midst of launching a startup. Stressed out, financially strained, hardly sleeping, hardly exercising, drinking too much. I thought I was eating right but turns out I wasn&#x27;t. I began feeling like an empty shell of my former self. And yes, it totally affected my sex drive. Went to doc and had blood work done. My test levels were about 200, which would be acceptable had I been 70 years old. I was terrified.<p>After ruling things out, the doc prescribed me Androgel, a gel-based test delivery system. You rub it on your shoulders and it absorbs in. But you have to be careful to not let it get on other people. I had a baby girl on the way and sat there thinking that I never want to worry about touching my wife or daughter. Plus this wasn&#x27;t a temporary treatment. You are a slave to it, and pay about $10&#x2F;day for it. Oh, and it turns out people, especially younger men, have a higher chance of stroke on that stuff. That&#x27;s no life, so I decided to try and cure it naturally.<p>And I did. My testosterone is normal now (forget the exact number). And I feel great. It was simple. First, I started strength training. Weights, especially compound moves like squats, will build test levels. And helps with sleep. Check out stronglifts.com if you want a good starting point.<p>Second I fixed my diet. Check out the book The Perfect Health Diet. I learned I was not eating enough good fat. I started using more olive oil, coconut, ghee (butter), and quality rumen meat. It made a huge difference.<p>Finally I cut out the stress. The startup ended up not succeeding but that had nothing to do with me deciding to ease up. I&#x27;m happy I did and learned a valuable lesson that health comes first.<p>So there&#x27;s my story. If you are going to supplement, be prepared for a long bumpy ride. And remember you can boost it naturally.
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hellodevnullover 10 years ago
&gt;I was just at the gym watching the 30-year-olds at the pull-up bar building muscles in three weeks. And I’m at the pull up bar and nothing’s happening<p>While many of you are thinking that he&#x27;s making excuses (he might be) or that the other guys worked long and hard to build muscle, I can relate: I&#x27;ve been lifting weights three times a week for the last four years. I still look average, and yes I&#x27;m eating and exercising properly.<p>I believe it might be something to do with testosterone. I was always skinny, high body fat and frail. I worked super hard to even start exercising, eventually I was able to get into routine but still now I feel like I should look much better after all this time.<p>What&#x27;s the deal with testosterone in UK? I&#x27;m 27, is it likely that I can get it? Are there home test kits I can get (reliable ones)? Do testosterone boosters actually work (I can&#x27;t verify without testing)?
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jesstifyover 10 years ago
Transwoman here, and I have some personal experience in this regard. I&#x27;ve been on T blockers for about 2 years, and I have seen significant mood, hair, and skin improvements, not to mention a lower resting heart rate. My chances of getting prostate cancer have been reduced to basically nil, which is pretty great. A significant portion of the benefits are from the estrogen, but just reducing bioavailable T does make a big difference in skin, mood, and hair. On the flipside, a close friend who is a transman (meaning he is on T), and when he went on it, he became very aggressive and prone to angry outburts, developed significant acne, and a very significant increase in body hair. So... ya know, just be careful so you don&#x27;t end up having crazy moodswings and back-ne
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toadiover 10 years ago
Read about it 15 years ago in a Belgian magazine. A Belgian doctor was claiming the same.<p>To be quite honest I use it already for 15 years and indeed it changes you. It helps me to be in &quot;sana in corpore sano&quot;. Let&#x27;s hope the negative health impacts on long term are not to bet so my body stays sano :)
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ajarmstover 10 years ago
This article seems pretty imbalanced. Modifying your natural endocrine levels (and the decline of testosterone with age in men is natural) can have significant unanticipated long-term effects (witness the problem with estrogen replacement therapy in women).<p>A quick Google Scholar search pops up paper with titles like &quot;Serum testosterone is associated with aggressive prostate cancer in older men&quot;, &quot;Increased heart attacks in men using testosterone: the UK importantly lags far behind the US in prescribing testosterone&quot;, &quot;High Estrogen in Men After Injectable Testosterone Therapy&quot; and &quot;A review on the relationship between testosterone and life-course persistent antisocial behavior&quot;. There is clearly medical literature that contradicts the rosy view indicated by the article&#x27;s sources.<p>I would have liked to see the article discuss those issues and the associated studies.
yummyfajitasover 10 years ago
Can anyone link to a gwern-style review of it?<p>Unfortunately a google search for the same just yields a bunch of T-Nation style spam aimed at wannabe bodybuilders.
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return0over 10 years ago
I wonder if it is possible to compare today&#x27;s T levels with men of 100 years ago or even more. It could be that the industrialization and urbanization has caused a massive change in T levels because of natural reasons (less sun, less exercise, less anxiety, processed foods, tight clothing, what have you)
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codingdaveover 10 years ago
Maybe I am overly cynical, but...<p>There are a lot of reasons that people may be tired and not in optimal health as they age, testosterone being just one. So when testosterone comes around, and is being pimped by high-cost cash-only doctors, it looks to me as much of a way for a doctor who hates the current medical industry to escape it, and build a high income private practice, as much as a truly holistic approach to improving their patient&#x27;s lives.<p>I just have some inherent distrust of people who get rich quick when I blindly accept whatever they are selling.
dr_over 10 years ago
Assuming there are a significant number of men on here who hope to some day have a family, it&#x27;s inportant to note that a significant side effect of exogenous testosterone administration is male infertility. Simplified, the excess testosterone in the blood stream sends signals that shut down the hormones essential for sperm production. This may not matter if you are mid life or older and already have children, or if you don&#x27;t plan on having any, but otherwise do NOT take exogenous testosterone.
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basicallydanover 10 years ago
I totally get the argument for using testosterone for sex changes.<p>But as a man who takes his health and fitness into his own hands, I can&#x27;t help but wonder if something like testosterone would become slightly addictive. Is it something one can use to get out of a slump and then stop taking, or is it more that when one gets to a certain age, it becomes necessary for staying at desired fitness levels?
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ninguem2over 10 years ago
Be very careful. Usually low T has no discernible cause but sometimes it is caused by a (treatable but potentially very serious) cancer of the pituitary called a prolactinoma. Testosterone treatment can mask the symptoms until is too late. See an endocrinologist before embarking on these &quot;over the counter&quot; treatments.
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DonCarlitosover 10 years ago
Don&#x27;t forget that Testosterone &quot;feeds&quot; prostate cancer, and that most men will have one variety of prostate cancer or another by age 75. It&#x27;s often slow growing, but if one feeds it, a different story. So potential &quot;T&quot; users should think twice about messing with this particular hormone.
tormehover 10 years ago
It would be nice to have broader shoulders, but an increased sex drive sounds inconvenient. Life is just more dignified without so much neediness. I don&#x27;t get why anyone (without a more sex-hungry partner, ie most men) would want that. Is it just a gender stereotype &#x2F; bro thing?
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jrileyover 10 years ago
I found DHEA in the natural aisle of local grocery store under $10. I take a low dose daily (in my early 30s). Worth researching.<p><a href="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydroepiandrosterone" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dehydroepiandrosterone</a>
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Xcelerateover 10 years ago
I have a hard time believing this. My testosterone level is 1,114 ng&#x2F;dL naturally and I sure don&#x27;t feel pumped full of energy and ready to go all the time (I&#x27;m 24). And I was even a D1 athlete. All it means for me is a greater risk of prostate cancer (which both my grandfathers had). My doctor was concerned about it being that high.<p>Also, I think the rumors about men with high testosterone being aggressive or having a &quot;player&#x2F;alpha&quot; mentality have been disproven; I don&#x27;t remember which journal that study was in. I&#x27;m about the least aggressive person I know. If anything, I&#x27;m too passive and have a difficult time expressing what I want.
adrianoconnorover 10 years ago
Presumably if you go this route you can&#x27;t enter any organised sporting events or do any form of competitive racing? Just saying, because as you get older, if you start getting some fitness back you&#x27;ll possibly want to start challenging yourself this way -- look how many vets enter triathlons and marathons, ride gran fondos etc. I&#x27;d see supplements like this as a last resort, for when a changed diet&#x2F;exercise regime etc. haven&#x27;t worked.
whizzrdover 10 years ago
Read the leaflets for this product: side effects may differ depending on the region of application ;)<p>AU: <a href="http://www.besins-healthcare.com/pdf/testogel%20patient%20information%20leaflet%20%28Australia%29.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.besins-healthcare.com&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;testogel%20patient%20in...</a><p>US: <a href="http://www.besins-healthcare.com/pdf/androgel_PI.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.besins-healthcare.com&#x2F;pdf&#x2F;androgel_PI.pdf</a>
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bikamonkiover 10 years ago
<a href="http://www.drugwatch.com/testosterone/side-effects/" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.drugwatch.com&#x2F;testosterone&#x2F;side-effects&#x2F;</a>
anigbrowlover 10 years ago
<a href="http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;submarine.html</a>
aleccoover 10 years ago
This is quack science. I wouldn&#x27;t exchange temporary muscular gains for getting bald and other nasty long term side effects.
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6stringmercover 10 years ago
Big fan of supplementation...growing up as a couch potato that medical professionals said should never, ever lift weights due to a physical handicap, I had a lot of body image issues. The fact I really enjoyed comic books didn&#x27;t help my perception either. Just take a look for yourself and the way the Super Hero bodytype looks like. Straight up juiced[1].<p>Then, I started natural using a book from the library. Weightlifting actually helped manage a lot of my physical handicap - by being stronger, I was reducing the wear and tear on my body. Well, because I still wanted to break through to another level, I started researching supplements. Using the mind to grow the body.<p>Protein, Glutamine, BCAAs, Tribulus, ZMA - all of them are natural ways to increase physical strength and also grow into a lean, muscular person. They were good, and eventually I found my way to some PH products. If 19-Norandro was good enough for Mark McGwire (it wasn&#x27;t he was on the real stuff, that was just a cover story), then I was game to try it! Worked great, enjoyed it but also knew that doing so over a long period of time would have side effects. Eventually 19-Norandro got banned. There are chemists doing great work in the field (I&#x27;ve got my eye on one vendor in particular), and they&#x27;ll always be 1 step ahead of the law, IMO.<p>I did a couple more different products but never stacked to the point where I&#x27;d need PCT. Honestly, I think budget and liver damage fears were my driving motives. Just look at Arnold - he had to have heart surgery, and I&#x27;d bet a lot of money it&#x27;s related to the muscle being exposed to years of heavy steroid doses[2].<p>These days I avoid PH or the juice outright. As I age, I might get back into the scene, but it&#x27;s a crap shoot. There are far, far too many placebo type products out there, and the really good stuff has side effects that must be planned for, otherwise the whole quality of life part goes down, and where&#x27;s the fun in that?<p>Overall, I&#x27;d say TRT&#x2F;PH&#x2F;Juice are definitely not for everybody, but they&#x27;re not inherently evil. Sort of like alcohol. Not everybody can knock back a dozen beers during a weekend marathon session at home and still be productive &#x2F; nice &#x2F; etc, but it&#x27;s possible depending on the individual.<p>[1] Freshman year of University the next door neighbor was a Pre-Med, about 5&#x27;2&quot; and 205 lbs. We became pals and he let me in on the steroid secrets (cycling, GHB for sleep, etc). We did have a good laugh talking about how comic book characters reflected different steroids: Want to be Captain America? Deca. Wolverine? Winstrol. Sabretooth? Deca + Winstrol! It was a joke in a lot of ways, but kind of not...<p>[2] Arnold is coming! <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sHvWYAzIRo" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8sHvWYAzIRo</a>
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netherover 10 years ago
You can get (expensive) testosterone (DHT) cream from dhtcream.com. No prescription, legal everywhere.
lafar6502over 10 years ago
I wonder what will be the effects of all these tons of testosterone goingh through humans into water, soil and all other organisms.
svantanaover 10 years ago
Is it just me, or did this article completely assume that it&#x27;s reader is male?
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