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The Importance of Anxiety

52 pointsby Nowyouknowover 10 years ago

12 comments

TeMPOraLover 10 years ago
All cool and great, but can you now give me something to shut that feeling off? I would be, like, million times happier (and financially stable) if I didn&#x27;t feel constant anxiety towards things ranging from existential questions to work to relationships, anxiety that reduces me to someone who needs to read HN at work and watch sci-fi shows in huge batches just to stay sane. I&#x27;ll side with Kant here, anxiety is a feeling that keeps you from &#x27;having your capacities under your control&#x27;.<p>I&#x27;ve been struggling with that for over six years now. Big part of the problem is that anxiety is the very way for your mind to answer the question &quot;is this right or wrong&quot;? It&#x27;s hard to think your way out of things if your brain fires up &quot;it&#x27;s still wrong!&quot; alarm randomly.
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throwaway567894over 10 years ago
When I feel bad for a while (a few weeks maybe) I often turn to meditation. When I do, I invariably notice that there&#x27;s a weird background process in my head that ambushes me with things I feel ashamed about on an almost predictable schedule. I&#x27;ll be sitting there counting to 10 over and over, starting over at 1 if I notice I&#x27;ve become interrupted, then &quot;Hey remember that time you got so drunk at a party that you threw up on your friend&#x27;s living room?&quot;<p>I&#x27;ve started thinking of it as like my consciousness is a circular saw blade and there&#x27;s this one bent-sideways tooth, like once a revolution it catches on something horrible in my past and drags it out and makes me look at it. It helps a little to recognize it, to be like, &quot;oh yeah, this is the 10-minute self-shaming, right on schedule.&quot; But it doesn&#x27;t help as much as, you know, that not happening.
jobuover 10 years ago
It recently occurred to me that humans probably have a baseline level of anxiety, and this causes us to find things to worry about (no matter how trivial).<p>Over the past several years I&#x27;ve had growing issues with anxiety, and I had found myself fretting about a passing conversation with someone that doesn&#x27;t know me and likely will never see again. It wasn&#x27;t even like the conversation went that badly, so why was I replaying it and worrying about it? Logically it made no sense, but it keeps happening over little things like this. The only way I can explain it is that life has been going well and I haven&#x27;t had any significant things to worry about for a while. Now my brain seems to be working overtime to find hidden dangers.
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crimsonalucardover 10 years ago
The article describes how anxiety helped an individual navigate through a social situation... but who&#x27;s to say allowing anxiety to control your behavior is better then having calm rational judgement dictate your actions?<p>In the past where people would declare formal duels in response to some verbal insult, anxiety was a relevant response to save your life. But in this day and age where people have much more to gain and very little to lose when being assertive and fearless in social situations, anxiety has become an excessive and prehistoric response that is largely irrelevant to the times and culture we live in.<p>Here&#x27;s an example relevant to most men. Why aren&#x27;t we talking to that hot super model at the bar? What do we have to lose? Nothing. What do we have to gain? Everything. The logic is inescapable but why are we still scared? Because in the past hitting on a super hot model meant dealing with her alpha male partner who could kill you in a duel. The emotions we feel are evolutionary relics from prehistoric times that were designed to keep us safe. These emotions are now largely irrelevant because murder and combat in our society is both frowned upon and considered a crime.
dgreenspover 10 years ago
Let&#x27;s extol the virtues of fear and hate, while we&#x27;re at it.<p>Yes, it&#x27;s normal to get anxious sometime, just as it&#x27;s normal to get angry sometimes. Someone who never, <i>ever</i> gets angry could be suspected of bottling up their feelings (but we can&#x27;t be sure). Our emotions aren&#x27;t under direct voluntary control, so if we find ourselves getting angry, or anxious, or fearful, we must aim not to freak out, or criticize ourselves for it, or become anxious about our anger, angry about our anxiety, fearful of our fear, or any other such downward spiral. Emotions are normal; they are ok.<p>However, doing what a negative emotion says to do usually doesn&#x27;t work out as well as doing something else, in my experience. While we can certainly find evolutionary justifications for the things we feel compelled to do under the influence of these emotions, that doesn&#x27;t mean they are helpful. Fear tells us to flee, to avoid, to destroy, or to deny. I&#x27;ve read that highly successful people who seem fearless do feel fear but just aren&#x27;t as bothered by it. I think this says the exact opposite of the OP&#x27;s message, which in this analogy would be The Importance of Fear: It Tells Us When to Run Away. The hard part about fear is acknowledging it and not running away. That is called courage.<p>Similarly, anger. When you are fighting with your wife (or co-founder), they may say something that you take personally and it hurts your feelings. You are outraged. You strike back, and a fight breaks out. Ok, that&#x27;s fine, that&#x27;s normal. But one of you, at some point, has to ignore the anger voice that tells you to defend yourself at all costs, and to attack your enemy&#x27;s weaknesses. Yes, your partner has become your enemy, thanks to anger.<p>Anxious drivers don&#x27;t drive better than non-anxious drivers. I may have moments of anxiety when I drive, such as if I notice a car about to merge into me and I swerve. Perhaps the anxiety plays a physiological role in helping me respond. However, it takes many seconds for the feeling to subside, during which time the anxiety is not helping me, it is hurting me. It also seems naive to identify the <i>feeling</i> of anxiety with the biochemistry of responding to an urgent situation. We could just as well say anxiety is a psychological state which is a harmful byproduct of the physiology.
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AceJohnny2over 10 years ago
For the others in the thread looking for a solution to their distracting background anxiety, I&#x27;ll add my datum that regular exercise (in my case, swimming) has helped immensely. It&#x27;s something I only picked up well into adulthood.
afarrellover 10 years ago
The article talks most about moral anxiety because it is targeted toward philosophy students, but I&#x27;ve been looking for a while for insight into survival anxiety.<p>Growing up male, I was always morally anxious about the possibility that I would harm someone else accidentally or (when I was considering joining the military) through violence or (when I became sexually active) through misinterpreted signs of lucid enthusiastic consent. A thing that I&#x27;ve never fully been able to grapple with is anxiety around the possibility of being assaulted or having violence done to me and I feel like this makes me fail at properly empathizing with many of the women I&#x27;m friends with. Does anyone know of anything I could read or watch besides Gavin, Captain Awkward, or MVC? I feel like I just don&#x27;t get it and, well, feel anxious about that.
adwfover 10 years ago
I&#x27;d replace anxiety with introspection in this article and it sounds a lot better. I wouldn&#x27;t necessarily consider anxiety to be a virtue; for many, it&#x27;s a crippling affliction.<p>The examples in the article are really more about an introspective approach to life. About really considering our actions and the behaviour of the people around us. Anxiety as a disorder is more about being <i>too</i> introspective, rather than being introspective in itself.
grokkableover 10 years ago
Evolutionary psychology tells us anxiety is necessary for the survival of the species. This is obviously the case in social interactions as they can change our status&#x2F;value in the social hierarchy which increases or decreases our chances of survival.<p>Like jobu said - humanity has a baseline of anxiety.<p>What about when our anxiety is severely deviant?<p>Meditation and Eckhart Tolle changed my life. Unfortunately, I still need to use medication sometimes when I get attacks.<p>There&#x27;s so much I&#x27;d like to type out about not being the contents of our mind, Libet and free will, meditation, etc. It&#x27;s only taken me 20 years to understand and I always feel like I want to tell everyone since I figured all of this out two years ago. But you can do it yourself. Buddhism, Tolle, meditation. Meditation got me to CBT. CBT brought me to Buddhism which brought me to Tolle.<p>vis a vis prostoalex&#x27;s post - Tolle&#x27;s right.
flycaliguyover 10 years ago
Can somebody do me a favour and help me shake the anxiety I&#x27;ve been feeling since the Snowden leaks? Has anybody else found themselves stressed out by the implications of a technological surveillance state being constructed right in front of us?
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thewarriorover 10 years ago
Try taking Ashwagandha.
partitionover 10 years ago
Aka the importance of mentally being a headless chicken. You&#x27;re not being &quot;introspective&quot; or otherwise &quot;deep&quot; when anxious. You&#x27;re just applying a blanket negative bias to all of your observations, and then looking around mostly to confirm the bias. Anxiety is crippling, full stop.