TE
TechEcho
Home24h TopNewestBestAskShowJobs
GitHubTwitter
Home

TechEcho

A tech news platform built with Next.js, providing global tech news and discussions.

GitHubTwitter

Home

HomeNewestBestAskShowJobs

Resources

HackerNews APIOriginal HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 TechEcho. All rights reserved.

To Revive Wallet, Google Tries to Wrangle Unruly Partners

26 pointsby maverick2over 10 years ago

11 comments

maverick2over 10 years ago
Google is in dire need for a marketing unit, that educates regular consumers about the possibilities of the applications and products Google has. Otherwise Google always ends up with low traction for a lot of its products. And sometimes these products are killed.<p>It seems Google wants to do consumer tech only to get money to be able to do high tech. But otherwise it has no real interest in consumer tech.
评论 #9082588 未加载
评论 #9083274 未加载
mikestewover 10 years ago
To revive Wallet, Google needs to make it usable. I&#x27;m not exactly unsaavy to the ways of a phone, but on the last phone I had with NFC there was no explanation of how to get it to work at POS (and how to set it up it all isn&#x27;t very clear). Does the phone need to be awake? Do I need to run an app? I tried it once, didn&#x27;t work, never touched it again. Mobile payment is something I&#x27;m just not going to put a lot of effort into.<p>Contrast to Apple Pay. Held the phone up, prompted for fingerprint, done.
评论 #9082197 未加载
评论 #9082925 未加载
评论 #9082212 未加载
评论 #9082918 未加载
评论 #9082037 未加载
评论 #9084424 未加载
jusben1369over 10 years ago
All Google&#x2F;Apple articles (which used to be MSFT&#x2F;Apple 20 years ago) Things are easier for Apple because they control everything in their domain. This however creates powerful enemies who are locked out and threatened. This creates a real opportunity for Google. However everything is much harder for Google to do because it doesn&#x27;t control the entire ecosystem like Apple.<p>Rinse and repeat
评论 #9082710 未加载
评论 #9083557 未加载
mycodebreaksover 10 years ago
Paywall bypass<p><a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=0CB8QqQIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fto-revive-wallet-google-tries-to-wrangle-unruly-partners-1424392928&amp;ei=enbnVMvrBMHboATS1oLIDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNEhBCuh1mhD4Y8CYL9zuagnlB1WAg&amp;sig2=D8MN3Aj2Ib2TrrdOZkY_3A" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;c...</a>
评论 #9082362 未加载
lnanek2over 10 years ago
I still remember the Google IO where I lost my ticket because Google Wallet error&#x27;ed out. The JavaScript was really amateur and just left the user sitting at a progress screen forever in the case of an error. I don&#x27;t really consider it a serious API considering it can&#x27;t handle load. They should just outsource to PayPal or someone who can do payments right.
Navarrover 10 years ago
TL;DR: Google trying to work with banks to get some sort of deal going on. Google trying to wrangle it&#x27;s phone partners like Samsung who are trying to implement their own payment platform.<p>WTL;DR: Apple is superior because they have complete control over their ecosystem (WSJ&#x27;s opinion, not my own)
free2rhyme214over 10 years ago
Non paywall link:<p><a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=0CB8QqQIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fto-revive-wallet-google-tries-to-wrangle-unruly-partners-1424392928&amp;ei=Nn3nVPKJHs3UoAT41oHYDg&amp;usg=AFQjCNEhBCuh1mhD4Y8CYL9zuagnlB1WAg&amp;sig2=KxUgXxAxgUlqQ6Sp9G7vwg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;c...</a>
higherpurposeover 10 years ago
If the new new new (how many times has it been relaunched so far?) Google Wallet doesn&#x27;t support the same kind of tokenization as Apple Pay, but instead continues to sell tracking data to merchants and banks and whatnot, then Wallet remains dead to me.
rockshassaover 10 years ago
Please remove this link, it is paywalled and therefore useless for most people
Nexxxehover 10 years ago
Paywalled for me.
评论 #9081746 未加载
ThinkBeatover 10 years ago
Text of article:<p>Google Inc. is reaching for its Wallet to keep pace with Apple Pay, but differences in the two companies’ mobile businesses mean it won’t be easy.<p>The Internet-search giant is trying to marshal an unruly coalition of device makers, wireless carriers, banks and payment networks to shape a new version of its Google Wallet payment service, in some cases by offering them more revenue. Google hopes to unveil the new service at its developer conference in late May, said people familiar with the matter.<p>Google, however, exerts less control over the smartphones that use its Android mobile operating system than Apple Inc. does over its iPhones. Smartphone makers and wireless operators offer many flavors of Android devices, with different preloaded apps. Each player has its own priorities, and changes made on behalf of one player can inconvenience the rest.<p>Further complicating Google’s task is that some of its “partners” have plans for their own payment services. Samsung Electronics Co. , the biggest maker of Android phones by number of units, plans to unveil its own payment service next month using technology from LoopPay Inc., a payments startup Samsung acquired this week. A person familiar with the Samsung-LoopPay deal said big smartphone makers envision few benefits from cooperating with Google Wallet.<p>By contrast, Apple controls the iPhone’s hardware and software, giving it a big advantage. Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook said last week that Apple Pay was only possible because of this control. “Imagine trying to do this with several different companies,” Mr. Cook told an investment conference. “You’d be pulling your hair out.”<p>Persuading Android partners and financial-service companies to support its payment service requires Google to “herd the many cats involved,” wrote Tim Sloane, a payments analyst at Mercator Advisory Group, in a January research report. “It’s a mess,” he added in an interview.<p>Still, Google has to aim for success, because Apple Pay could become a draw for people to buy iPhones, instead of Android phones. Mr. Cook said last month that Apple Pay accounted for $2 of every $3 spent using contact-less payments on the largest payment networks.<p>Apple Pay “has changed the dynamics” of mobile payments, said Marc Freed-Finnegan, a former Google Wallet executive who is chief executive of retail-technology startup Index Inc. “If payments become a standard feature of phones, Google has to have a service on a par with Apple or better.”<p>A Google spokeswoman declined to comment. Omid Kordestani, Google’s chief business officer, told investors last month that Google is working on a “fully functional payment system” that goes “beyond just tap and pay.”<p>Google launched Wallet in 2011, allowing owners of some Android phones to pay by tapping on retail checkout terminals equipped with a wireless technology known as near-field communication. But most large U.S. carriers refused to preload the Wallet app on their Android phones. They also blocked the service from accessing a chip that stored credit-card information, because they were working on their own payment service.<p>In 2010, AT&amp;T Inc., Verizon Communications Inc. and T-Mobile US Inc. formed Isis, later renaming it Softcard. The service failed to gain much traction, and Google is now in exclusive talks to acquire it as a key component of the revived Google Wallet, people familiar with the matter have said.<p>The three wireless carriers are more willing to work with Google these days, because they get no revenue from Apple Pay, the people familiar with the matter say. Mr. Freed-Finnegan said that’s created an incentive for Google and the carriers to cooperate. “Certainly Apple isn’t working with the carriers,” he said.<p>The three carriers and Softcard declined to comment.<p>In talks with the carriers, Google is offering to pay them to feature Wallet prominently on their Android phones and is dangling the promise of more revenue from advertising tied to Google searches made on the phones, according to the people familiar with the matter.<p>For Google, one big benefit of having a popular Wallet app would be the data it could collect on consumer purchases, which would give the company something besides website clicks to demonstrate the effectiveness of its ads. That could drive up ad prices, and carriers would share in the gains.<p>Banks are playing their own waiting game, to see how many carriers and device makers cooperate. Hundreds of banks are participating in Apple Pay, but most are interested in reaching Android users too. Android smartphones accounted for 47.6% of U.S. smartphone sales in December, a fraction less than Apple devices, according to Kantar Worldpanel ComTech.<p>Banks pay Apple a small fee for each transaction because Apple’s security measures reduce their fraud-prevention costs. Apple Pay users’ credit-card information is encrypted and stored on the phone, so merchants never see it.<p>Google is talking to banks and payment networks, including Visa Inc. and MasterCard Inc., hoping for a similar deal, according to people familiar with the situation.<p>Google’s situation is more complicated. In 2013, it eliminated a requirement that payment information for Wallet be stored in hardware, because the carriers had prevented Wallet from accessing the data that way. Its alternative, a software-based approach known as Host Card Emulation, may require banks to upgrade their antifraud systems. Mr. Sloane, the Mercator analyst, said the associated costs and disruption may make banks less willing to share fees with Google.<p>—Daisuke Wakabayashi contributed to this article.<p>Write to Alistair Barr at alistair.barr@wsj.com