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My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

394 pointsby bouncingsoulabout 10 years ago

44 comments

downandoutabout 10 years ago
Though this isn&#x27;t as bad as many I&#x27;ve read, stories like this are the reason I have never applied to work at any of these large firms (Google, Apple, etc.). I have been a full-time developer for more than 20 years. I have 4 software patents to my name, one of which formed the basis of a startup that was acquired for $64 million. I know a few people at Facebook and Google (not at Apple), and I am definitely in the same league in terms of coding skills.<p>However, based on available information, I am 100% certain that I couldn&#x27;t successfully complete the on-command hypothetical coding exercises with someone standing over my shoulder, along with the other mental and social gymnastics associated with applying at any of these companies. I wonder how many other well-qualified people are out there that will simply never apply because of the drawn-out, intimidating hiring process.
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RandomBKabout 10 years ago
This all sounds like a typical &#x27;cultural fit&#x27; screening process. I can&#x27;t speak to SV firms, but many consulting&#x2F;banking firms use the same technique. It can be very frustrating at times, as you never get to find out what went wrong, especially if the interview itself felt like it went very smoothly. I just finished a long string of interviews for consulting and product management positions, and there is nothing worse than to get a &#x27;no, please try again later&#x27; without any feedback as to how you can improve.<p>At the end of the day, it comes down to being able to truly connect with your interviewers and breaking out of the typical question-answer format. It sounds like you almost reached that point - I&#x27;m not sure if the lunch was a standard thing they did with all applicants, but it did seem like they were really interested in you. It could be that the process came down to a handful of equally desirable candidates, at which point luck plays a large role in deciding who gets the job. I would definitely keep in touch with everyone you met, and apply again at the next opportunity.
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fenomasabout 10 years ago
I notice several comments about culture fit and not clicking with interviewers, but it&#x27;s worth keeping in mind that there isn&#x27;t always a &quot;reason&quot; for not getting an offer. Not related to the candidate, that is. Job openings sometimes disappear for random internal reasons, or there may have been another candidate for the same position who was objectively a much better fit.<p>I feel you have to look at job interviews like a hand of poker or the like. There are things you can do to increase your odds, but even with perfect play not every hand is winnable.
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GuiAabout 10 years ago
Posting as a French engineer who moved to the Bay Area a bit over 4 years ago, and has worked at a few companies of varying sizes and success in that time period:<p>Silicon Valley as an engineer is a demanding environment to be in, and like many such environments getting in is quite a challenge. As an outsider, you are at many disadvantages: you don&#x27;t know the culture, you don&#x27;t know how things get done, you don&#x27;t know who to talk to and who will waste your time, and so on. So to get in, not only are you fighting against all of these obstacles, but you also have to perform at the level which is expected of everyone, which might be higher than what you&#x27;re used to.<p>This means that the odds of getting in on your first try are quite, quite low. If your goal is really to make it there, you have to treat it as a numbers game - after 5, 10, 20 tries, you&#x27;ll probably get in. Or maybe if your dream is to work at Google&#x2F;Facebook&#x2F;etc., then the best way to do it is to first start working for a smaller, lesser known company that&#x27;s having a harder time hiring. Make yourself a name there, volunteer to give some talks, post some open source projects that&#x27;ll bring your name at the top of Hacker News for a day, and after a couple of years, knock again at the door of your dream company. Or maybe they&#x27;ll end up knocking at your door again very soon. Recruiters know very well that the number of false negatives is quite high, and that people can change very fast.<p>If you want to take part, you have to put in a lot of effort and personal work, and expect things to take time- you have to stay humble, and you have to keep pushing. I think it&#x27;s worth it. Some people don&#x27;t believe that it is, and that&#x27;s completely fine- but you have to know whether you want it or not. If you really do, then don&#x27;t give up on the first obstacle.
natchabout 10 years ago
The author has an odd interest in sharing numbers that, while significant, show that the point is being missed.<p>Sure, 700 billion is an impressive market cap for a company, but that&#x27;s not what it&#x27;s all about for the creative people of Apple.<p>$6,000 of your time, meh, we all invest that much in side projects, year after year, if not more frequently than that.<p>5,000 miles, yeah, so you took a flight, is this supposed to be a measure of something of significance? Yes we sometimes travel for interviews. Putting mileage numbers to it almost sounds like complaining.<p>17 hours of WWDC videos, that&#x27;s a sliver of a slice of what&#x27;s available. If anything, it&#x27;s an embarrassing number to admit to, for someone who claims to be an Apple UI expert.<p>Maybe this weird fixation on off-point numbers was a turnoff for the kind folks at Apple, I don&#x27;t know.
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Miserlou57about 10 years ago
About two years ago I was fast-tracked to interviews at Apple via recommendation.<p>About 9 interviews later over 4 spread-out days, I was told I had done quite well during the interview process.<p>Eventually I was not given the position because I was holding a beer in my LinkedIn picture.<p>They ended up paying my current employer (their vendor at the time) astronomical amounts of money to do the very same service, done by me, on-site.<p>Go figure.
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qxmatabout 10 years ago
The last big interview I had was with a four letter company in Canary Wharf. The interview &#x27;day&#x27; was me alone in a catered meeting room with a File-&gt;New assignment.<p>Despite end of the day praise and the acknowledgement that I&#x27;d be recommended for the next phase, not to mention a genuine rapport with the devs that sporadically popped in, the four letter firm acquired a software house and froze recruitment a week later.<p>I spent a day revealing tricks and patterns - something I charge a substantial daily rate - for nothing. But this is ridiculously common: the more effort required to interview the less likely I am to get the job.<p>Nowadays I&#x27;m happy to walk out of bullshit interviews where they ask open ended questions where only their answer is correct.<p>You get to a certain age&#x2F;experience where it becomes apparent that a good interview is an informal session where you have a meeting of the minds not an adversarial grilling.
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samdkabout 10 years ago
<p><pre><code> Note: after 25 minutes answering questions for a job you really want it’s kinda hard to shift to a question-asking mode. </code></pre> When I was looking for a job I found that it helped enormously to write down a set of questions ahead of time.<p>Some I liked:<p>What does a typical day look like for you?<p>What projects do you work on?<p>How long have you been at $company? How has your role changed since then?<p>If I were hired for this role, what would my first day&#x2F;week&#x2F;month look like?<p>Is there anything about $company that some people really like, but others might dislike? (For example, having an open-plan office.)<p>What tools do you use on a regular basis?
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steakejjsabout 10 years ago
EVERYONE does a horrible job recruiting. I think a very low number of companies are doing this correctly.<p>The thing about the process is one bad moment spoils the entire process for the candidate. Shallow&#x2F;No responses, or horrible questions, or something unprofessional being said during the interview.<p>It&#x27;s not just $AAPL it is everyone, but if you are an interviewer or a recruiter, please fight for the candidates to get good responses and good questions, especially if you fly someone across the globe to awkwardly sit in a room for 6 hours.
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sb8244about 10 years ago
Idk. Flaunting how much the process cost and how much income it lost was sort of put off for me.<p>It&#x27;s great to see insight into interviews, in general, but that just left a weird bitter note to the article.
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jedcabout 10 years ago
I used to work for Google and did a ton of interviews for roles where I was the hiring manager, as well as others.<p>One of the more painful things that I came across regularly was that we often had multiple great people go through the full interview process for a role, but could only hire one. Often 2-3 candidates could have done the job brilliantly, but we could only choose one. In that case, it tends to be really subtle things that shift the decision. (And this is where Google&#x27;s Unconscious Bias training is <i>vitally</i> important - <a href="https://www.gv.com/lib/unconscious-bias-at-work" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gv.com&#x2F;lib&#x2F;unconscious-bias-at-work</a>)<p>It sounds like that situation may very well be the case here: lots of expense (both time&#x2F;effort and $) and a long series of interviews, with a &quot;no&quot; at the end. (And in my experience those &quot;no&#x27;s&quot; are often blunt, no matter how awesome a candidate is, for cover-your-ass&#x2F;legal reasons.)
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zobzuabout 10 years ago
this is pretty close to the process we have here at &lt;undisclosed bay area company&gt;<p>And indeed, if you had to go through all this it means they very seriously considered you for the position. Now, the expenses they made mean little (even for a far poorer company) compared to the mistake of recruiting someone that did not fit.<p>There&#x27;s many reasons why someone would not be selected and sometimes it&#x27;s just that people didn&#x27;t &quot;click&quot; really.<p>I know that most of the time, recruiters word is &quot;if you&#x27;re not sure, better not hire than to make a mistake&quot; and sometimes people who could have been accepted and made a positive contribution to the team get refused. There&#x27;s even a bit of luck in that.<p>Thanks for sharing, though. I&#x27;ve never applied for Apple - albeit I guess engineering jobs get more tech stuff in the facetime interviews ;)
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whybrokeabout 10 years ago
It wouldn&#x27;t happen if it weren&#x27;t economically wise. Contrary to claims to the contrary there is no shortage of adequately qualified candidates and an endless and growing sea of unqualified. So randomly rejecting the majority of qualified candidates is a relatively small price since the hiring goal is to get rid of the vast sea of unqualified.<p>If there were indeed a shortage the practice would be reversed and companies would be willing to risk hiring unqualified workers in order never to miss the one candidate who can do the job.<p>But so long as there is a flood of less qualified workers along side a good number of skilled ones, the practice will continue or worsen.
sandwormabout 10 years ago
I cannot stand the whole &quot;culture fit&quot; gambit. It&#x27;s a job, not a country club. The idea that some people will &quot;fit in&quot; and others won&#x27;t and that this can be determined during an interview is naive at best.<p>What you get are a bunch of new hires who&#x27;s only qualification over the not-hired is that they put on a good show for the interviewers. I&#x27;d say they are the best actors, but that doesn&#x27;t cover those very good actors who make the mistake of playing the wrong part. Say you are willing to work through weekends to meet deadlines ... oops sorry, you guessed wrong. In this office that attitude is too competitive. We are going with those who guessed &quot;no, weekends are for relaxing&quot; and don&#x27;t think you would get along with them.<p>The message this sends to current employees is also evil: if you don&#x27;t fit in perfectly we don&#x27;t want you. So everyone shows up to work in costume, wearing a mask, because they fear standing apart. Bring the wrong suit or express the wrong opinion and you might not &quot;fit&quot; anymore. We often hear about a lack of visible diversity in IT. How can we expect to achieve visible diversity if we cannot yet tolerate emotional and cultural diversity? Employees and prospective employees should be judged on on their work product, not on their ability to emotionally camouflage themselves.<p>Did Office Space teach us nothing?
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brooksbpabout 10 years ago
I&#x27;ve had 9 on-sites in the past 4 months at both large companies and start-ups. A few reflections:<p>- Sometimes, a &quot;No&quot; means &quot;we like your career trajectory; we&#x27;ve identified you as a candidate that we want to follow up with in ~6 months&quot;.<p>- Sometimes, a &quot;No&quot; means &quot;we really like you; we think you&#x27;d be a fit here, we&#x27;ll be constructing this team in ~6 months&quot;.<p>- Sometimes, a &quot;No&quot; means &quot;we wont relocate; we wont fly you out here; we&#x27;re only considering local (e.g. Bay Area) candidates&quot;.<p>- Sometimes, a &quot;No&quot; means that it&#x27;s up to you to reflect on the situation. Take as many notes as you can during the process. Analyze what you said, wrote, acted, etc. It&#x27;s up to you to determine how you could be better.<p>- When you get to the on-site and have the opportunity to learn a lot more, things might not be all ponies and rainbows like you&#x27;d imagine. Be open to what you didn&#x27;t want to see, hear, or learn about. You might learn that you actually don&#x27;t want to work here.<p>- You&#x27;re racing against the clock. Balance is key. You hear advice about asking clarification questions, discussing trade-offs, etc. but at the end of the hour one of the most important things is the code you put up on that board. The interviewer will likely whip out their phone, take a pic, and that&#x27;s that.<p>- Coding on a whiteboard, with a stranger, in an unfamiliar environment, after traveling many miles... is... challenging. Without much practice, you&#x27;re at risk to fall flat on your face--I&#x27;ve face-planted my fair share, and it&#x27;s always fuel to get back at it again.<p>- Interview as much as you possibly can. You learn about companies, people, technology, industry, challenges, etc. Practice, practice, practice.<p>- Sometimes, recruiters reach out to you for an initial call (you&#x27;re excited), and then you learn that members of the hiring team haven&#x27;t even seen your resume (orly? u think i haz de skillz dear rekrooter?). You then never hear back from the recruiter, or receive an email stating that they&#x27;re not moving forward. I&#x27;ve only had a couple of these, but it&#x27;s enough for me to strongly dislike contact before any member of the hiring team has reviewed my qualifications.
robotresearcherabout 10 years ago
The lack of explanation about why they didn&#x27;t hire you is completely normal in California. Saying nothing at all ensures they don&#x27;t say anything that can be interpreted as discrimination, minimizing their legal exposure.<p>They have nothing to gain by explaining and plenty to lose if they say something stupid.
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pkayeabout 10 years ago
My own experience from a few years back. I had relevant skills for some technology they were ramping up and got an call from them 1 hour after I submitted my resume. Next day did a phone screening and they wanted to interview me in person. The interview was for two days with 18 people. Most were coding and problem solving questions with engineers and then some management. I did correctly one all questions except one I got incorrectly and one I stumbled a bit. In the end I didn&#x27;t get the offer because I was not enthusiastic enough. Apparently because I also mentioned I was interviewing at a startup. Honestly I felt I could contribute more to the startup than be a cog in the wheel at a big company. In hindsight the startup was more lucrative for me as an individual...
techhackblobabout 10 years ago
If software development was not a creative process then such algorithmic&#x2F;IQ test interviews would be very relevant. Unfortunately for those wasting their time with such interviews it is a creative process. A recent Nobel prize in economics was given to Daniel Kahneman for his work proving such gut instinct interviews are a failure. When I first left college and was bad at software development I passed those tests, got into software firms and got my experience. Now even though I write software everyday for my clients I wouldn&#x27;t pass any of those interviews. Zuckerberg is right - younger people are smarter (at passing those tests).
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pistleabout 10 years ago
From surveying the comments... If companies are willing to spend the time and money vetting you, why are you not looking at them the same way?<p>Despite the headlines, market cap, cache of the name of the company on your CV, how can&#x27;t you have as many questions coming up to put at them as they have for you?<p>The only time I&#x27;ve been turned down for a job that looked like it could have &quot;dream job&quot; aspirations to it, I had to say that 1) I totally knew and agreed with why they were declining and 2) felt they knew exactly why I would not likely feel comfortable coming in with them in a way that fits just right.<p>You should be seeking out, within reason, what day 1, month 1, and year 1 are going to be like. You should be seeing how they fit into your life path as much as they are seeing how you are going to get them through the issues that made the added headcount necessary.<p>What OP left me with, literally, was &quot;I&#x27;m not a dummy b&#x2F;c they brought me in.&quot; It&#x27;s such a dry, objective review that it makes me think they were along for the ride instead of taking the wheel. It could well be just a personality-based thing. The OP has an apparently sterile passion for design and&#x2F;in documentation.<p>Interviewers love passion and resonance - or at least they should at some place you really want to be. Nobody should have to pry things out of you. And then, they want to be able to agree with you and your view on technical passions and interpersonal rapport. Are you hard-working, objectively talented, opinionated-but-open, and do you seem ready and able to complement or enhance them?
makeitsucklessabout 10 years ago
When I read these stories, I always wonder how many qualified people would actually subject themselves to such a pathetically long interview process?<p>I imagine that companies with such processes only get candidates that are extremely compliant and lack self-esteem. Because most people I know would politely tell the employer to go f themselves after the 3rd screening call.<p>Are these long drawn out, humiliating application processes typically American or does this happen in other countries as well?
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hyperlinerabout 10 years ago
Unfortunately, laws make it really difficult to provide candid feedback to candidates in the US.<p>I always call my candidates and ask one simple question when they don&#x27;t get the job and after I tell them they won&#x27;t be getting the job: do you want the usual HR rejection reason as in &quot;you don&#x27;t fit the profile we are looking for&quot; or &quot;we have a candidate that better fits the business need,&quot; or do you want me to give you 3 suggestions on how you could have done better? If the latter (they always want feedback, don&#x27;t we all?) then I go into very specific behaviors. The majority of these tend to fall in two camps: you did not prepare for the interview, or you did not demonstrate a specific skill or experience and this is how I think you can get it.<p>100% of the people I have given feedback have never come back to sue my company or me for rejecting them. Many have followed me and one has actually followed me, interviewed at another place I went, and got the job then.
Mahnabout 10 years ago
Sounds like a pretty standard process, I was actually expecting it to be more convoluted for a company of their size.
joslin01about 10 years ago
Out of curiosity, why the title 700 Billion? What is the purpose of this in how it relates to the article?<p>Regarding the article, yea, seems pretty standard. Sorry you didn&#x27;t get the job
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dba7dbaabout 10 years ago
I also recently went through an interview process lasting over 3+ weeks, 3 separate interviews with 4 different people. Initial phone interview and skype for the other 2. Oh and add to that tech tests lasting over 3 hours, completed after screening interview.<p>In the end I didn&#x27;t get an offer, with a one liner explanation.<p>I was grateful that they even gave me a chance and hold no hard feeling against them BUT I&#x27;m pissed about the waste, on my and their part. On the days I had the interviews, I wasn&#x27;t productive at all as I spent time preparing, managing my nervousness (pacing around), and decompressing after interview. Those are a few days I won&#x27;t get back. Even without putting monetary value on it, I think all can agree it is a big waste.<p>After all that, all I got was a stinking one liner explanation, that I wasn&#x27;t a good fit. What was the tech test for?<p>One person on the team I talked to seemed as if he hadn&#x27;t seen my resume until the interview time. He was going down my resume and asking questions and I could tell that it was his first time reading it. And I also feel that was the person that gave thumbs down.<p>I hope their accounting knows that 1 person cost the COMPANY nearly 6 man hours of their employees, for nothing.<p>EDIT: From what I&#x27;ve seen previous jobs, managers and team members are asked to interview the candidate, not necessarily say yes&#x2F;no based on the resume alone.<p>Not that anyone will listen but I think it would help if HR asked managers&#x2F;team-members to give up&#x2F;down on each resume before calling in for interview. If enough give down, don&#x27;t call in for interview. Save time for all.
drewblaisdellabout 10 years ago
&gt; Overall, I’m pretty happy my work caught someone’s attention and that I had the opportunity to meet all these people.<p>This is a really cool way to sum up the article.
ryanSrichabout 10 years ago
&quot;Talent Shortage&quot;
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crimsonalucardabout 10 years ago
If you&#x27;re too good, they often won&#x27;t hire you for political reasons. It&#x27;s unjust but I think it happens a lot.
convivialdingoabout 10 years ago
Seriously, I think a couple of hours and a lunch is all that is needed to consider most positions. Management and directors can be more prolonged.<p>Developing a workforce is about cultivating good leadership, a balanced diversity of thought, improving raw talent and most importantly tenacity.
cpncrunchabout 10 years ago
I noticed quite a few grammatical errors while reading this blog post. Normally this wouldn&#x27;t be a big deal, but if the person is looking for a job writing documentation then it could be a problem.<p>Some examples:<p>&gt;I personally don’t see money as a measure of worth, but as a freelancer and well, running my business, should not and cannot ignore it.<p>&gt;Calls are 30 minute-long, informal, you’re explained how the process works and what to expect next.<p>&gt;The first call was with an internal Technical Recruiter, given my interest, I had a call with one other team lead before being redirected to the Developer Publications lead.<p>(I have no idea what this last sentence actually means).
DyslexicAtheistabout 10 years ago
&gt;&gt; I invested around £4000 (~$6000) of my time (2 weeks @ £400&#x2F;day rate) into that article, I’ve written 8 of the total 16 topics I intended to, and replicated dozens of Apple logos which I made freely available on Dribbble. (terrible ROI)<p>that&#x27;s dedication<p>&gt;&gt; So when Apple asks me if I want to help improve their Developer Documentation: I’m in.<p>(rofl) I have never seen anyone put in so much effort&#x2F;investment for so little return. IMO his creativity and drive belongs in a start-up. pearls to pigs I guess, but sure he doesn&#x27;t see it that way
kkotakabout 10 years ago
Thanks for sharing your experience. Bottomline - don&#x27;t let any person&#x2F;company judge your competence. If you&#x27;ve got the chops, you&#x27;ll excel at what you do. So, go build it.
frade33about 10 years ago
I really have no idea, what criteria is the most important for apple. However for me, when hiring these points hold most value in the order they are mentioned.<p>1. Type of Person. (Preference to be given to a positive, honest, candid, compassionate, less focused on money and more dedicated to and focused on job&#x2F;skills and friendly person).<p>2. Skills level.<p>Author apparently failed at the money vs dedication. If you are more focused on money than skills&#x2F;job., you are a big no-no. in my books.
brooklyndudeabout 10 years ago
My experience interviewing at Apple, don&#x27;t let them know you know more then them (guess common sense, did i get the &quot;then &amp; than right?), you ain&#x27;t getting the job. Sorry to say you have to dumb yourself down to work at these major companies, it&#x27;s a pretty big ego game at play.<p>Actually it&#x27;s probably like that across the world, but sometimes you luck out and actually get to work with just awesome people.
bonn1about 10 years ago
Maybe Apple is overdoing the hiring process but I think it&#x27;s the right approach especially for a company like Apple. I rather risk to decline ten good candidates instead of hiring one wrong one. Hiring not fitting people will cost the company so much time and money that a expensive hiring process is justified. Question is which hiring process leads to good fits only but this is a different discussion.
vijucatabout 10 years ago
The &quot;Are you good enough for us?&quot; interview process is seriously broken, maybe even neurotic, considering that the excessive focus on weeding out false positives actually ends up rejecting too many good people such as you who would end up contributing a LOT.<p>The inequation is :<p>Savings due to reducing false positives &lt;&lt; Loss due to increased false negatives.<p><i>10X lower</i><p>It takes intelligence to realize this, because weeding out false positives (LHS) is a Realized profit : your workplace is full of smart people and you get to say, &quot;See, our process works&quot;, while the RHS is an Unrealized loss : you never got the chance to quantify how much you lost by rejecting the next amazing employee.<p>IMHO, everybody needs to get off their high horse and start accepting employees after <i>gasp</i> just a cursory inspection of resumes &#x2F; qualifications &#x2F; blog posts, or even more radically, random <i>double gasp</i> selection of 10% of candidates who meet the minimum criteria. Give everyone a long probation period, and allowing them to seek feedback frequently as to how they can influence the decision to hire them on a more permanent basis so that the final decision will not be a surprise binary event.<p>Hire for passion and ability, not just &quot;the best&quot;; how can you know the best among a sample if you never gave them a chance to score <i>at the job</i> (NOT <i>looking good in an interview</i>)?<p>I have been surprised many times by hiring non-superstars and then finding out that there are many dimensions to doing a job, such as perseverance and sincerity, that they can bring to the table that can tilt the final score in their favour.
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thrillgoreabout 10 years ago
I find that ranting about a company&#x27;s hiring procedures is a quick way for their HR department to quickly strike your name from the &quot;Future Followup&quot; file.<p>Apple is the richest company on Earth. Criticize their means and methods when they&#x27;re in Chapter 11.
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dpwebabout 10 years ago
Can&#x27;t help but wonder how Jobs or Woz would have reacted to that when they were young?<p>I get the feeling they would call the company &quot;assholes&quot;, of course there wasn&#x27;t quite the celebrity culture of tech and money back then.
igauravsehrawatabout 10 years ago
I don&#x27;t get it. They have the right to reject. What&#x27;s wrong ?If you want to change their interview process get selected and change it !<p>Don&#x27;t defame google,apple,fb ..etc interview process. (Humble request)
thombrnabout 10 years ago
We live in an age of inversion. Many things are the opposite of what makes sense.<p>- You have to interview, and prove you&#x27;re worthy, to become a slave<p>- You have to pay to look at ads (ever been to a movie theater, or sat in a plane with screens in front of you?)<p>- You have to pay to get cancer (ever buy a cigarette?)<p>It&#x27;s interesting, because the other way makes way more sense. If you&#x27;re going to be a slave, you should get to pick where. You should be paid to look at ads. You should get paid to get cancer.
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Vecriosabout 10 years ago
Isn&#x27;t this why they are a top-tier company? I mean, their selectivity is what makes their company great as a whole.
hansabout 10 years ago
when i interviewed, at the end of the day, the dude went out of his way to tell me they&#x27;d let me know, no matter what, either way, in a few days. Then crickets .. i still resent how he was so insistent that i would hear from them. Just be honest jackass har har.
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mikekcharabout 10 years ago
I have been working at a smallish startup for the last 2 years and have spent a lot of time hiring people. You have not asked for comments about what might have led to your rejection, so feel free to disregard this free advice. Obviously I don&#x27;t have enough information to give you real feedback, but perhaps the following will be helpful.<p>By far and away the biggest reason we tend to reject junior&#x2F;intermediate people who have had a decent interview is that their view of their own level and our impression of the same level appears to be grossly at odds. We don&#x27;t expect junior people to know how to do everything, but rather hire people where we can see very good growth potential. We have an exceptionally low attrition rate, so this has worked out very well for us.<p>There were several things in your web page that would raise immediate warning flags for me if I were to see it in an interview. As others have mentioned, the attention to numbers makes me feel that you are justifying yourself. For example, the translation of the time you spent on a personal project to money makes me feel that you are trying very hard to make it sound impressive. The details about how many hours a course took and how you spent many more hours making notes makes me think that you want this to be a very impressive thing.<p>Please don&#x27;t take this as a personal attack. It is a very good thing to be proud of your accomplishments and to use the good feelings as a springboard to your next project. The only problem is that you will find that these accomplishments will really pale when compared against the many people who have nurtured side projects for years, written hundreds or thousands of pages of peer reviewed documentation, designed and given courses (as opposed to taking them), etc.<p>My point is not to discourage you -- just the opposite! I love to see CVs where people take initiative and invest their own time in things they love. No matter how small the thing might be, it always has the potential to be a seed that grows into a tree. But if I get the sense that you are over valuing your accomplishment I am left to wonder -- is that all this person is capable of? I am looking for amazing growth in the applicant. Can they do something 10 times more impressive with some guidance? 100 times more impressive? Or will they hit a glass ceiling and say, &quot;This is as good as anyone could reasonably expect me to be&quot;.<p>Even if someone has potential, they don&#x27;t always have the maturity yet to bring that potential to fruition. My advice is simple. Present your accomplishments with no embellishment or sales pitch. If they are impressive, then the interviewer will be impressed. If they are not impressed, then you have a very real opportunity. Ask the question, &quot;What would make you impressed and can you help me get to the point to be able to do that?&quot; If they can, then the job will be yours. If they can&#x27;t then it is not a job you want anyway.
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kjs3about 10 years ago
I got roped into one of these idiotic interviews at a Very Important Company.<p>Them: How would you solve (well understood, theoretical and tedious to solve problem). Me: I&#x27;d Google it. Them: That&#x27;s cheating. I want to understand how you think about the problem. Me: We&#x27;re not in school. You&#x27;d be paying me to be efficient and solve problems. Why would I waste time on something I can Google. That&#x27;s how I think about the problem.<p>And that was about the end of it.
yeukhonabout 10 years ago
I like the following interview style (I was interviewed for a security full time position at a well-known SV company like this):<p>Skip introduction...<p>1) start with basic textbook questions like what is authenticity and authentication or XSS<p>2) catch what the interviewee said and build questions (e.g. I said something about private key so interviewer asked me about pro and cons of asymmetric and symmetric encryption). Oh yeah - know your shit because they are going to catch you! It&#x27;s okay to say &quot;I don&#x27;t know.&quot; Being straightforward earns respect. My interviewers didn&#x27;t penalize me much (well I just graduated from college...).<p>3) the next couple interviews again starts with introduction, then deep dive into what the team does, what the team is building at a high level, then proceed to ask me my interest. Here i would talk about my ideal projects, show them high level how I would go about implementing my idea, challenges I face (and also why I have to build one; are there any existing solution and are they not adequate). Take caution of your words - know the things you say aloud.<p>Somewhere in those 4-6 interviews, add a programming sessions if you haven&#x27;t done so (for me I skip that and went to onsite because of internal referral).<p>I didn&#x27;t get an offer probably because I didn&#x27;t quite know what I really want to build. My idea was too generic and probably too &quot;child play.&quot; It was a really intense and yet fun interview. This interview process allows interviewer and interviewee to see if they are a match or not quickly and pleasantly. I always look back at this interview and believe that the rejection is just and great for me and for the team. I wasn&#x27;t a match and I won&#x27;t be a match any time soon. I am still exploring techniques, interests and ideas.