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The Robots Are Coming

69 pointsby dante9999about 10 years ago

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femtoabout 10 years ago
The article has this to say about Google Translate&#x27;s improvements in accuracy:<p>&quot;Translate has hoovered up gigantic quantities of parallel texts into its database. A particularly fertile source of these useful things, apparently, is the European Union’s set of official publications, which are translated into all Community languages.&quot;<p>The first thing I thought was &quot;what happens when the EU starts outsourcing its translations to Google Translate?&quot;<p>Is this the future of machine learning? The learning algorithms start by mining a corpus of human output. Once they get good enough, they replace the majority of humans that generated the corpus. We then enter an echo chamber of machines largely feeding off their own output. Consequently, improvement of the machines stagnates, but the machines are still doing a good enough job to keep humans out of a job. We then have a future of &quot;good enough that the cost of improvements can&#x27;t be justified, but bad enough to be irritating&quot;?<p>Humans have a sense of pride in their work, and will strive to improve for their own edification, even when the cost outweighs the benefit, or they have been told not to. A machine will just continue to deliver the level of service that the committee in charge tells it to.<p>Edit: fixed spelling
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hooandeabout 10 years ago
This article was fantastically well written and comprehensive. Worth reading if you&#x27;re interested at all in the topic of automation and its potential effects on the future of employment.<p>The narrative that machines will &quot;eat&quot; all the jobs leaving the mass of humanity unemployed is an easy to understand story, but it hasn&#x27;t ever come to pass and probably won&#x27;t for reasons that don&#x27;t need to be detailed in this comment. The nobel laureate Robert Solow compared it to worrying about the earth being struck by an asteroid. Possible, even worth consideration, but highly unlikely.<p>The idea that machines will dominate labor to the point where a few rich people gain all the profits from labor and the rest of us are left jobless and effectively under their control is equally unlikely. A gem from the article:<p><i>&quot;Capital isn’t just winning against labour: there’s no contest. If it were a boxing match, the referee would stop the fight.&quot;</i><p>Income inequality is probably the biggest problem facing our society today. But it can only go so far. If the majority of people don&#x27;t have jobs, no one will be able to pay for new iphones or driverless car service fees. Even B2B companies depend on B2C customers for revenue at some point in the chain. The basic, common sense economics of the world dictate that there are limits to inequality. The idea that machines will create a truly dystopian scenario is still the realm of science fiction, but that doesn&#x27;t mean that we shouldn&#x27;t take steps to address the problem.<p>Finally, I loved this quote:<p>&quot;Robert Gordon, an American economist who in 2012 published a provocative and compelling paper called ‘Is US Economic Growth Over?’ in which he contrasted the impact of computing and information technology with the effect of the second industrial revolution, between 1875 and 1900, which brought <i>electric lightbulbs</i> and the <i>electric power station</i>, the internal combustion engine, the telephone, radio, <i>recorded music</i> and <i>cinema</i>.&quot;<p>Worth noting that four of those seven inventions were created by one man. Not relevant to the topic of automation, just truly freaking amazing.
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crdbabout 10 years ago
These articles always exaggerate the disruptive potential of technology, the pace of change and the consequences, particularly ignoring the concept of wealth creation (the reference to Piketty was telling).<p>For example: I&#x27;ve been to China and Japan countless times in the last decade. On my last trip to both, I finally had Google Translate on my phone. The difference it made in communication - particularly in Japan - was phenomenal. Both ways - both in scanning local characters with the camera and getting an instant translation (you lose the fun of the restaurant roulette, but you no longer end up with mapo tofu by accident), and in communicating with the other side by typing your English meaning and showing the translation. I had a 20 minute conversation near Chengdu with our hotel manager, she would type her side into Translate, wait for the slow internet to send it over, we&#x27;d read, reply... we both wrote each other a long thank you letter before leaving!<p>What is relevant about this example: the job of &quot;translator for tourist&quot; has been created, not automated. Before I had Translate, I made do with sign language and the few words hastily scribbled or learnt before a trip. I didn&#x27;t hire a local to walk me around and talk to everybody. Conversely, I take the MRT in Singapore because it&#x27;s 80 cents a trip. If an automated taxi comes along for $2, I might take it, but doing the same trip for $10 is not something I&#x27;m interested in. This is added productivity for me, just as the flying shuttle enormously increased the quality of life of hundreds of thousands of housewives in the 18th century, instead of creating the &quot;mass domestic unrest from idleness&quot; allegedly feared by the ruling class.<p>Another point missing from the conversation is manager laziness. In my experience as a DBA&#x2F;data person, most companies do not care about automating away their reporting function (amongst other things). I&#x27;ve seen people doing &quot;manual joins&quot; (yes, that&#x27;s a manual lookup then copy paste each value one by one) as late as last year, in both tiny &quot;modern&quot; tech startups and enormous corporations with several hundred thousand employees; for the latter, 50MB files were &quot;big data&quot;. Today, you can run a DWH for a fairly large business with an employee working part time, provided he knows what he&#x27;s doing - with AWS and modern tools like Postgres, it&#x27;s incredibly easy to be high level - but few companies do it. Maybe it&#x27;s today&#x27;s relatively permissive high capital low opportunity environment, which tolerates very low IRR.
Animatsabout 10 years ago
Why it&#x27;s different this time: computers are so cheap and so general-purpose.<p>For decades, there have been many jobs that could be automated, but weren&#x27;t, because the machinery wasn&#x27;t cost-effective. It might have to be custom-engineered for the job, and if you didn&#x27;t have the volume, it didn&#x27;t pay. An automated hamburger outlet was built in the 1960s by AMF. There are machines for almost every picking job in agriculture, but much picking is still done by hand. There are still hand car washes.<p>Now, if a computer can do it, the computer will be far, far cheaper than a human doing it. The computer can also provide 24&#x2F;7 operation, and, even better, once one computer knows how to do something, a million computers can be doing it tomorrow. Deployment is very fast in this area.<p>The list of things humans can do and machines can&#x27;t keeps getting shorter. That&#x27;s not going to reverse. But what gets checked off next? More desk jobs.<p>Actual physical robots are still rather inept. That&#x27;s getting better, but progress is slow. What makes robots work? Money. For decades, robotics R&amp;D was under 100 people in the US, mostly at CMU, MIT, and Stanford. Then came the DARPA Grand Challenge, when DARPA told the universities to get results or robotics funding would be cut off. Suddenly entire CS departments were devoted to automatic driving. After that success, DARPA tried throwing money at Boston Dynamics. It took about $125 million to get the fieldable version of BigDog working. Now Google is in the game, spending who knows how much.<p>A key point in robotics, and AI generally, is that there&#x27;s now enough known that spending money gets results. There was a false dawn in the 1980s; look up the Fifth Generation project and the NASA Flight Telerobotic Servicer, notable failures. This time, though, many of the old ideas work, powered by four or five orders of magnitude more compute power, and lead to new ideas which also work.<p>Advanced robotics right now is about at the Xerox Alto level - there are impressive prototypes that work, but they&#x27;re not cost-effective yet. Robotics has not yet had its Apple II or IBM PC. (The Roomba is too dumb. The Dyson robot vacuum, though...) It&#x27;s going to take a while to break through the cost barrier, even once the smarts are there.<p>The implication for jobs is that manual labor is, in the near term, less at risk than intellectual labor. If your job is to do something where the inputs and outputs are through phone or computer, be afraid.
isaiahgabout 10 years ago
Fantastically written article. I found the most interesting question near the end. I&#x27;ve never been a proponent of socialism, but in a world where work can be filled by the push of a key by unquestioning automata, could it become viable?
LukeFitzpatrickabout 10 years ago
Google uses machine learning in emails, basic AI. Robots exist now. The concerning factor is when these 3 industries merge:<p>- iOT - Robots - Artificial Intelligence<p>Jobs, yes, lots of jobs will be lost. Experts predict that everything will be done by robots in the future: Medical, Education, Factory Work, Law etc.<p>I&#x27;d expect virtual companies like Occulus Rift, will be come the next thing, when job opportunities diminish.
mturmonabout 10 years ago
The torrent of money and talent going in to self-driving cars seems to be only increasing. One of the strong points of this smart and level-headed article is pointing out how disruptive this will be, and how fast the disruption can come. I&#x27;m aware that there will be a lot of benefits, but the problem is, they are not distributed evenly. Some people will lose.