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Show HN: Advertising-Free Search-Engine

55 pointsby deusuabout 10 years ago

22 comments

rileyteigeabout 10 years ago
I searched for &quot;History of aviation&quot; (no quotes) and got<p>1) History in the HeadlinesThe Secrets of Ancient Roman Concret<p>2) Watch History Topics Videos Online - History.com<p>3) Ohio — History.com Articles, Video, Pictures and Facts<p>as my top three results. It&#x27;s an ambitious problem to tackle, but it has to be able to give me better relevance for me to consider using it.<p>EDIT: For a comparison, I ran the same query on Google:<p>1) History of aviation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<p>2) History of Flight - NASA<p>3) history of flight | aviation | Encyclopedia Britannica
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concertoabout 10 years ago
I think relevance is the thing to work on. I did a search in a space I know a lot about and the majority of first page results were domains for sale. The company I have an interest in, which is the first result for certain keywords on Google and Bing, wasn&#x27;t to be found anywhere in the first 4 pages on here. It would be interesting to hear a bit more about your plans for moving this forward.<p>I have a few questions it would be great to hear about either here or in a follow-up blog post:<p>* Is your reimplementation in JS a translation of your current from Pascal or a redevelopment?<p>* Why have you decided to move from Pascal to JS rather than spending the effort improving the current implementation?<p>* What lessons have you learned from your current implementation that you are attempting to overcome with your new version in JS?
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DanBCabout 10 years ago
I searched for my name and none of the first ten results was about me, or about any of the other people called &quot;Dan Beale&quot;. But nicely it didn&#x27;t return a bunch of filth based on my other surname, &quot;Cocks&quot;, so that was nice.<p>It&#x27;s a shame that a couple of replies or so harshly negative. Perhaps this submission would have been better received if it had been a blog post about how you created you engine; how it works; problems you have with it; and so on.<p>Search is not --despite the Google behemoth-- a solved problem so there&#x27;s still space for creative thinking.<p>EG the search on a manufacturer&#x27;s website is often hopeless. You emd up with a list of 8,000 widgets and need to iust scroll through them page by page. Amazon search is bafflingly poor. Ebay search has some sub-optimalities. (People can list &quot;case for mp3 player £1.99&quot; and &quot;mp3 player £35&quot; in the same listing, so a search and sort by price will sort by the cheaper case price.
frikabout 10 years ago
It reminds me of a similar open search engine with good search results: <a href="http://www.gigablast.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gigablast.com</a>, <a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6152839" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=6152839</a><p>Ten years ago, the EU sponsored Exalead to become a Google competitor. Nowadays the company is owned by Dassault Systèmes (3D CAD Catia): <a href="https://www.exalead.com/search/" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.exalead.com&#x2F;search&#x2F;</a> , <a href="http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Quaero-Erster-Vorlaeufer-der-europaeischen-Suchmaschine-110725.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.heise.de&#x2F;newsticker&#x2F;meldung&#x2F;Quaero-Erster-Vorlaeu...</a><p>Other mentioned DuckDuckGo, but one has to differ. DDG uses the Yahoo search API, and Yahoo itself uses the Bing search from Microsoft. DDG parses the query string and tries to add some snips from Wikipedia&#x2F;Yelp&#x2F;etc. There are only 4 big search engines left: Google, Bing, Yandex, Baidoo. There are some minor ones like Gigablast, Exalead and now Deusu. And there are meta search engines like DDG and Yahoo.<p>@Deusu dev: Good luck with the refactoring from Pascal to JavaScript, sounds like a good idea! Do you use a page-rank or how else do you score?
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ignoramousabout 10 years ago
Query: that movie where jim carrey plays dad to three black men<p>DeuSu: <a href="https://deusu.org/query?q=that+movie+where+jim+carrey+plays+dad+to+three+black+men" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deusu.org&#x2F;query?q=that+movie+where+jim+carrey+plays+...</a><p>Google: <a href="https://www.google.co.in/search?q=that+movie+where+jim+carrey+plays+dad+to+three+black+men" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.co.in&#x2F;search?q=that+movie+where+jim+carre...</a><p>For me queries like these is why Google wins. NB: Duckduckgo and Bing seem to do fine on this query as well. Bing does better than Google[0] when you omit phrases like &#x27;three&#x27; or half-spell phrases like &#x27;carrey&#x27; as &#x27;car&#x27;. Surprising since it has often been the case that Google is better at returning&#x2F;ranking results for most of programming related queries I try on daily basis [1].<p>[0] Probably, because Google takes into account the fact that the user ignored the type-ahead suggestion (car -&gt; carrey) for a reason and omits all &#x27;jim carrey&#x27; related results from the list.<p>[1] <a href="http://www.hanselman.com/blog/AmIReallyADeveloperOrJustAGoodGoogler.aspx" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hanselman.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;AmIReallyADeveloperOrJustAGood...</a>
Animatsabout 10 years ago
A user-supported search engine has promise. A telco, a handset maker, or a country could do an ad-free search engine. Cuil had about 30 people, and eventually got a half-decent search engine. It&#x27;s surprising that Apple doesn&#x27;t have their own search engine. Their negative experience with the map business may have scared them.<p>The economics of search are strange. Search has negative market value - Google paid about $100M&#x2F;year to be the default on Firefox, and Google still pays to be on iPhones. It&#x27;s like the ad channels on cable. The Jewelry Channel pays to be carried; the NFL gets paid to be carried. Google is in the Jewelry Channel position.<p>As compute power increases, the cost of doing search goes down. But that hasn&#x27;t been reflected in the &quot;selling price&quot; of search, which is expressed as ad density. Google is a high-margin business because of that. That makes them vulnerable.<p>DuckDuckGo and Blekko, although tiny, are quite profitable. Even InfoSeek and Ask apparently still make money. There&#x27;s room at the bottom.
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qzcxabout 10 years ago
I searched for &quot;XPS 13&quot; and I got several pages in German.
orbifoldabout 10 years ago
I have the suspicion that Google user tracking is not just for better advertising. Their original page rank algorithm is a random walk on the web graph, every user similarly performs some walk on this graph, in principle it should be possible to use that walk to improve the relevance ranking. This is just one example, there are many others how user interaction could be used as feedback into the search engine.
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jasonkostempskiabout 10 years ago
I searched for nothing but got suggestions for things I&#x27;ve searched for on Google this week. Since, for some, tracking is just as big a concern as ads, can you explain why and how that is happening? Does DeuSu now know those things or anything else about me even if that data is anonymized? If so, will that data be sold?
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bdcravensabout 10 years ago
I searched for &quot;fedex refunds&quot;. On Google you get what you expect on the first page: some links to Fedex&#x27;s site, and a list of Fedex shipping auditors. On Deusu.org, the first non-Fedex page is Cosco, and not a single shipping auditor. The rest of the links are just as irrelevant.
leereevesabout 10 years ago
Needs some work to improve both relevance and ranking algorithms. For example:<p>I&#x27;m watching the movie JFK, so I tried a search for Jack Ruby.<p>I found a teacher named Jack Ruby&#x27;s videos, the Ruby Fortune online casino, the bar Ruby Tuesday, and a lot of other irrelevant results.<p>Nothing about the famous Jack Ruby in the first four pages.
empressplayabout 10 years ago
I wonder where the raw crawler data is coming from? Current events-related stuff is months (years?) out of date. For example it seems to think Tony Abbott is still the Australian opposition leader.<p>Did you snarf an old database from another search engine? Just curious.
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ilakshabout 10 years ago
I believe we will probably eventually transition to some kind of distributed peer-to-peer semantic-ish system rather than having a giant company crawl plain text pages and control the vast majority of global advertising and quite a bit of its data.
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huhtenbergabout 10 years ago
I applaud the effort, but the search results quality is really poor. It&#x27;s basically an Altavista style laundry list of anything remotely relevant in no particular order.<p>That said, do you do your own crawling or do you source results from someone?
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austenallredabout 10 years ago
Searched for my company, and the meta information is years old. Tried a few other searches, and the results weren&#x27;t even related. Sorry, but for me it&#x27;s not even close to worth switching for.
supercoderabout 10 years ago
<a href="https://deusu.org/query?q=deusu" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;deusu.org&#x2F;query?q=deusu</a><p>Does not manage to return deusu as the first result, or in any of the results for that matter.
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supercoderabout 10 years ago
Searched &#x27;Google&#x27; got:<p><a href="http://www.google.com/chromeframe/?redirect=true" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;chromeframe&#x2F;?redirect=true</a><p>As first result
mdturnerphysabout 10 years ago
Tried searching for &quot;BYU&quot; and &quot;UW&quot; and got everything except the universities&#x27; main websites. Do you just not crawl .edu addresses?
diegoloabout 10 years ago
Why reimplement a Search Engine from scratch instead of contributing to lucene&#x2F;solr&#x2F;elastic search? did you add something new?
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zenincognitoabout 10 years ago
Advertising free means it would not be able to support itself if it does not show value instantaneously. No value proposition here.
hudellabout 10 years ago
I searched for my game (Orange Season) and the first result was Vladimir Putin
wbsunabout 10 years ago
I appreciate such work that people are working hard on, but how can this last long? Google was started with Ad-free too. The search will need money to run anyway. Have you figured out a better idea to get money without Ads?
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