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Obama's view on schools

13 pointsby cadalacover 15 years ago

9 comments

dkarlover 15 years ago
Way to lead by example, Obama. It's kind of pathetic, but this story (assuming the right people hear about it) could actually open some eyes. His kid gets a C, and he doesn't just get angry at the teacher and demand a better grade. What a concept! Too many parents don't believe in education or skills; they think education is a sham, schools just anoint "winners in life," and <i>public</i> schools have no business discriminating when they hand out tickets to the middle class.
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btillyover 15 years ago
In general I think these changes are better than nothing, except for the exceptions where they work out horribly.<p><a href="http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/39809" rel="nofollow">http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/39809</a> mentions the interesting example of a teacher who teaches Russian immigrants. No matter how well she teaches, she's got the huge disadvantage that her students start with no proficiency in English and so are guaranteed to do well. Pay for performance rules are a strong disincentive for taking on tough challenges like that.<p>Still the current system is so horribly broken that I am personally willing to put up with breakage like that.
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unaloneover 15 years ago
This sounds great, but for the fact that most of the things students are being reviewed on are meaningless bullshit. How are teachers being measured? By AP scores? Grades overall? Because as a still-fresh departure from grade school, I'm pretty sure 90% of the stuff I was tested on was bullshit. My teachers knew that and let me get away with poor grades so I could learn what I wanted to, and <i>that's</i> where I learned. If every teacher's now being taught that they should be pushing their students to get good grades, I predict we won't see much good come out of this initiative.
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tokenadultover 15 years ago
"For one thing, Obama called for the abolition of 'firewall' rules, which presently prevent many schools from judging teacher performance based on student performance."<p>I suppose in most cases those rules are consequences of contract provisions insisted upon by teacher union representatives.<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Teacher-Unions-Sabotage-Educational-Reform/dp/189355421X/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Teacher-Unions-Sabotage-Educational-Re...</a>
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pmichaudover 15 years ago
The main argument against this is that teachers might be penalized for teaching in rough schools instead of lily-white. middle class, suburban schools. I don't see a reason the system couldn't be set up to normalize the schools based on what the metrics turn out to be.<p>I guess each school would get a performance index that would act as a coefficient for the teachers there. E.g., the metric is a test score, and one school consistently scores near the national average, while another is 10 points lower. The teachers at the lower school would have their evaluation bumped 10 points because of the index. That way we'd be comparing apples to applies.<p>It could actually incentivize teachers to move into more difficult schools if the index were a little over done so that they were rewarded slightly more for the same effort. Their effort would theoretically move the school's average into line with the national average, then they'd be evaluated/paid the same -- they could then move on to the next problem school, and improve that.
tptacekover 15 years ago
I'd be pissed right now if I was Malia. What the hell, Dad?
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andreyfover 15 years ago
There's no such thing as public education. Education happens to exactly one person at a time. There are some things that you just have to do by yourself. And there’s no such thing as compulsory education. Education is something that each of us gives to ourselves or allows others to give us. [1]<p>We need a culture of intrinsic ambition and excellence - among students, among teachers, and among professionals. Focusing on fake heuristics - grades, standardized tests, gold stars - only teaches one to cheat, not to personally excel.<p>1. <a href="http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0208f.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0208f.asp</a>
wspragueover 15 years ago
I know people who work in social services who have noticed a change in the last generation. Before, you would think twice before telling a working class parent that the child misbehaved because the parent might discipline too harshly. Today, the parents always assume the kids are right when they come home whining about how mean the teacher was. Don't know which is better or worse....
joshhartover 15 years ago
So this is the exact opposite of no child left behind? Sweet!