See also <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=905702" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=905702</a><p>and its parent <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=905528" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=905528</a>