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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

375 pointsby woogleabout 10 years ago

29 comments

gertyabout 10 years ago
French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn&#x27;t care to show up. This is beyond WTF.<p>I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.
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realusernameabout 10 years ago
(French here). This was quite expected, the government slowly adopted more and more laws to restrict freedom and to watch everyone during the past ten years, this is not the first nor the last law, this is just another step for the next law which will be even worse. The government is even censoring comments on social media about the law when it&#x27;s not going in their direction (I&#x27;m not even joking).<p>The French democracy has been completely broken for a long time and a few relics from the past are still working now. The times when the country was called &quot;the land of the human rights&quot; are long gone. I see a few people trying to contact their representative but it&#x27;s already too late, the democracy is gone, forget about it, it will just slow things down a bit but that&#x27;s all, the politicians in power are too corrupted and the system too broken for that to work.<p>The best solution now for us now is the technical one, to prevent them to do it. But even that solution is temporary, one day or an other, when they will start to attack random citizens, things will have to change... as the quote is saying, &quot;Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.&quot;.
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fznabout 10 years ago
French president Hollande is visiting Lausanne, Switzerland this afternoon. His trains supposedly arrives at 3:20 at Prilly-Malley station. He will then proceed to the EPFL (Polytechnic school). [Full schedule <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;files.newsnetz.ch&#x2F;story&#x2F;3&#x2F;0&#x2F;0&#x2F;30072626&#x2F;11&#x2F;topelement.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;files.newsnetz.ch&#x2F;story&#x2F;3&#x2F;0&#x2F;0&#x2F;30072626&#x2F;11&#x2F;topelement....</a> ]<p>Allegedly to protect the people, the object of that law is rather to decriminalize and widen the PM&#x27;s surveillance capabilities.<p>The law just exempted french agents for any illegal data acquisition done on foreign targets. One of the seven goals the law encompasses is &quot;major scientific and economic interests&quot;. Don&#x27;t deal with France, starting from may 6th.<p>Kudos to the couple deputies that show concern and bear with the long hours and kafkaesque atmosphere.<p>Mandatory handling of encryption keys on request is also part of the package. Hosters and ISPs like it.<p>&quot;DPI algorithms shall remain secret, for they&#x27;ll lose their effectiveness otherwise.&quot; Such StO.<p>Oversight over it all will be restricted to a 7-ish member court.<p>We must not remain silent as France openly turns into a police state.
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RBO2about 10 years ago
It is not a hasard to have this kind of laws in France. France hasn&#x27;t known dictatorship for long. French representatives don&#x27;t know what a Stasi-like security state would look like. It would be harder to have such a law in Germany.<p>The low number of delegates during the vote whows how archaic the French politic system is: they are against their own party so they prefer to be missing. There is little discussion. And there is no way to make a petition in France that would go to the parliament or provoke a referendum.<p>France just shows how current institutions are overwhelmed by new technologies.
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Smrchyabout 10 years ago
Richard Stallman wrote <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stallman.org&#x2F;millions.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;stallman.org&#x2F;millions.html</a> a few days after the 9&#x2F;11 attacks.<p>Sadly still so true. The attacks from January 2015 have led to this horrible secondary damage.
olivierlacanabout 10 years ago
La Quadrature du Net (French EFF equivalent) posted a campaign website with a rundown of which députés (congresspeople) are in favor or against the bill: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sous-surveillance.fr" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sous-surveillance.fr</a><p>Also had VOIP phone to contact députés. Many were and avoided questions or said they would toe the party line. Evidence here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pad.lqdn.fr&#x2F;p&#x2F;PJLdeputes" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pad.lqdn.fr&#x2F;p&#x2F;PJLdeputes</a>
Fiahilabout 10 years ago
&gt; <i>Les traitements automatisés repèrent des comportements suspects, non pas des personnes pré-identifiées</i><p>It&#x27;s actually worse. Listening to all communications in the hope of catching something suspect is the exact thing that make this law extremely dangerous.
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c2prodsabout 10 years ago
THIRTY FUCKING ASSHOLES. There are 577 deputies in France and only 30 of them are present to vote Big Brother. Fortunately, there are several steps to go: it has to be approved by the Senate and then the Conseil Constitutionnel (in charge of the Constitution) might still reject it. Nevertheless, this proves how much our political leaders DO NOT understand the Internet.
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tempodoxabout 10 years ago
So, will the National Surveillance Agency file a patent suit or copyright infringement? After all, the French clearly stole the U.S.&#x27;s recipe of destroying civil rights &amp; democracy.
jacquesmabout 10 years ago
Suggested improvement to the French political system: if &lt; 50% of the delegates are present there is no quorum and no laws can be passed.
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mtanskiabout 10 years ago
Can anyone point to an alternative to Gandhi.net for domains &#x2F; SSL? Works well, good service, not godaddy.
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UserRightsabout 10 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Guillotine" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Guillotine</a>
AdrienCheyabout 10 years ago
Most of what the law is allowing, was already done before. It&#x27;s more about legalizing some illicit methods, even if methods are debatable...
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rihegherabout 10 years ago
the law draft in english <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.laquadrature.net&#x2F;Patching_the_French_Intelligence_Bill" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.laquadrature.net&#x2F;Patching_the_French_Intelligenc...</a>
kaiz0kuabout 10 years ago
Here is the amendment if anyone is interested: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.assemblee-nationale.fr&#x2F;14&#x2F;amendements&#x2F;2697&#x2F;AN&#x2F;437.asp" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.assemblee-nationale.fr&#x2F;14&#x2F;amendements&#x2F;2697&#x2F;AN&#x2F;437...</a>
koalamanabout 10 years ago
Just curious, is this different from what the nsa is doing in the US?
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bwbabout 10 years ago
A sad day for privacy once again, governments need to fuck off and stop spying and realize some bad things are going to happen, but not at the cost of sacrificing our personal privacy.
luxpirabout 10 years ago
Some key points from the article, translated...<p>---<p><pre><code> It was in a nearly empty senate that around thirty deupties cast their votes [...] on the installation of &quot;black boxes&quot;, a controversial device designed to monitor internet traffic. [It was] approved by 25 deupties to 5 following heated debates. The plan: to force ISPs to &quot;detect, through automated processing, a suspect succession of connection data&quot; that appear to match patterns typically used by terrorists. In practice, this would involve installing a &quot;black box&quot; at ISPs to monitor traffic. The content of the communications would not be monitored, but only the metadata: the sender or receiver of a message, the IP address of a visited site... [...] &quot;The black box is the Pandora&#x27;s box of this draft law,&quot; said socialist Aurélie Filippetti in the senate. &quot;They say that the masses of data that will flow through it will only contain metadata. But they contain even more information about the private lives of our fellow citizens! [...] And there is a paradox in saying that these data will be anonymous when they are to be used to identify terrorists&quot;. An accusation that was then defended by the government in the house, &quot;The automated processing marks out suspect behaviour, not pre-identified persons,&quot; emphasized the Defence Minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, &quot;It is after that the services are able to access the identity of the persons.&quot; [...] Some deputies also pointed out the &quot;economically damaging&quot; consequences of these black boxes, such as the ecologist Isabelle Attard, for whom &quot;French IT companies will see their foreign clients start to desert them as they lose their trust&quot;. Last week, seven large French hosts made their opposition to the draft clear, stating that it would push them &quot;into exile&quot; so as not to lose their clients. [...] The government nevertheless eluded the more technical questions throughout the debate, asked, several times, by a few deputies, among those was Laure de la Raudière (UMP), &quot;Where are you going to install your probe on the communication networks?&quot;, &quot;How will you optimize the algorithms?&quot;, &quot;Will you use deep packet inspection?&quot;. Bernard Cazeneuve ended up replying to this last question, repeated several times by the deputy, &quot;We will not use this technique at all&quot;, a technique that involves the deep inspection [translation of a translation...] of all passing communications data. Several deputies have also demanded a precise list of the type of metadata collected by the black boxes to be clearly defined. In vain. </code></pre> ---
fweespeechabout 10 years ago
As sad as it is, how many countries with low cost hosting providers [e.g. OVH] don&#x27;t have these sorts of laws [or might as well have them in the case of the US]?<p>Germany&#x2F;Hetzner?<p>Literally is there no one else you can get cheap dedicated servers and avoid this kind of surveillance directly inside the DC? :&#x2F;
maze-leabout 10 years ago
Good Luck catching Terrorists, who are, no doubt, using VPN, Tor and Face-to-Face communication.
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anoplusabout 10 years ago
Is there anyone here believes we need open government and liquid democracy?
Messiah_about 10 years ago
Does anyone know what kind of metadata they will be logging? Are they logging every HTTP request that comes out of my computer for instance? (Including my user agent, the specific page I visited etc.)
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D3_4dl1N3about 10 years ago
There is a theory that says that the terrorist attacks, and the rise of violence and crime are caused (at least allowed) by decision makers and governors. There is a lot of money at stake...
elrosabout 10 years ago
Oh, la merde =&#x2F;
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MrBraabout 10 years ago
No one of you Frenchs using HN has traslated the article to English yet? This does not help!
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bontoJRabout 10 years ago
First step in the wrong direction.
pikzenabout 10 years ago
La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn&#x27;t even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.franceinfo.fr&#x2F;actu&#x2F;politique&#x2F;article&#x2F;des-appareils-pour-espionner-les-conversations-pres-d-une-manifestation-contre-la-loi-sur-le-668469" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.franceinfo.fr&#x2F;actu&#x2F;politique&#x2F;article&#x2F;des-appareil...</a> link in french, can provide a translation if needed)<p>Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l&#x27;Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police etc.) has also declared the right to private life to not be a freedom. (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=WODKfxtJQbE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=WODKfxtJQbE</a>)<p>This law was voted by 30 delegates. From a total of 577. This is what we can expect of our National Assembly. I expected a bit more of them considering they were 40 (!) to debate it. And they were granted a whole two minutes to explain themselves. To debate a law that allows bypassing judges, installing black boxes (read: DPI tools) anywhere without needing a judge, and quite a few more fun things.<p>To any french reader here (or any reader in a country whose laws explicitly allow this type of mass surveilance) :<p>* Use LetsEncrypt to get an SSL certificate for your website (or selfsign one with the proper configuration). Not that this will matter much because this law will allow them to ask you to hand over your private keys<p>* Use TrueCrypt v 7.1a, the latest and audited version for you hard drive, or use LUKS if you&#x27;re on Linux.<p>* Use TextSecure and RedPhone. While I&#x27;m not aware of any recent audits, it&#x27;s a hundred times better than going through regular channels.<p>* Use Pidgin+OffTheRecord for your private chats.<p>I am so fucking mad. And have no doubts, the senate will pass this. The worst (best) that could happend to this law is a few minor changes, but the key points will stay. And I doubt our constitutional council will reject it.
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tracyleonabout 10 years ago
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fiatjafabout 10 years ago
At least there the Congress approved the changes, while in the US everything is hidden from the citizens.<p>Which means that the french people are socialists in their hearts.